Author Topic: Scientific Proof? (Read 13085 times)

TrapsMcLats · « **Reply #50 on:** April 09, 2009, 01:04:01 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on April 09, 2009, 12:36:57 PM

Of course, that leaves out two simple yet fundamental questions.

1) How did that sludge or "goo", if you will, get here in the first place?

2) How exactly does it get to "moving up", without being destroyed by other forces or entities?

There are many questions left unanswered, but any answered question does not mean that god created everything. We're recreating situations very close to the birth of our universe with the LHC in europe. We'll figure this out in due time. The bible and religion seek no explanation other than "God does that which we don't understand or have an answer for." That is why they (bible and religion in general) are so faulty, in addition to being a massive hinderance to progress and understanding.

MCWAY · « **Reply #51 on:** April 09, 2009, 01:37:32 PM »

Quote from: TrapsMcLats on April 09, 2009, 01:04:01 PM

There are many questions left unanswered, but any answered question does not mean that god created everything. We're recreating situations very close to the birth of our universe with the LHC in europe. We'll figure this out in due time. The bible and religion seek no explanation other than "God does that which we don't understand or have an answer for." That is why they (bible and religion in general) are so faulty, in addition to being a massive hinderance to progress and understanding.

he Bible has hardly been a hindrance to progress and understanding, especially in light of the fact that early men of science were also men of faith.

Listen to what you just said, “We’re re-creating situations very close to the birth of our universe…..”. In order for you to "re-create" something, someone else would have to create those situations, in the first place.

Plus, if it takes billions of dollars and countless man-hours are necessary, just to build this LHC thing (by knowledgeable scientists), how do you propose that life on Earth was due to some random “accident” with no source and no sentient guidance?

In essence, you're hemmorhaging cash just to show that there is (or may not be) a God.

TrapsMcLats · « **Reply #52 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:06:14 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on April 09, 2009, 01:37:32 PM

he Bible has hardly been a hindrance to progress and understanding, especially in light of the fact that early men of science were also men of faith.

Listen to what you just said, “We’re re-creating situations very close to the birth of our universe…..”. In order for you to "re-create" something, someone else would have to create those situations, in the first place.

Plus, if it takes billions of dollars and countless man-hours are necessary, just to build this LHC thing (by knowledgeable scientists), how do you propose that life on Earth was due to some random “accident” with no source and no sentient guidance?

In essence, you're hemmorhaging cash just to show that there is (or may not be) a God.

hey, if we can prove there is a god, more power to us, because it would only prove that we are on a path to grow more powerful than said god, and if we found a god, we could ask why it doesn't intervene more, and if all the religious nutbags are truly as out of line as we think they are.

do some research on ten dimensional hyperspace, string theory, multiple universes, and how tiny bubbles spontaneously appear in a vacuum. I suggest you read "coming of age in the milky way" by timothy farris.

MCWAY · « **Reply #53 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:05:56 AM »

Quote from: TrapsMcLats on April 09, 2009, 04:06:14 PM

hey, if we can prove there is a god, more power to us, because it would only prove that we are on a path to grow more powerful than said god, and if we found a god, we could ask why it doesn't intervene more, and if all the religious nutbags are truly as out of line as we think they are.

do some research on ten dimensional hyperspace, string theory, multiple universes, and how tiny bubbles spontaneously appear in a vacuum. I suggest you read "coming of age in the milky way" by timothy farris.

More powerful? PLEASE!!!

It taken man hundreds of years (if not longer) to "discover" what God has known from the beginning. In fact, that's the very root of the word, "discover": to find what is already there.

Again, billions of dollars, countless man-hours......and man isn't even CLOSE to equaling (much less surpassing) the knowledge and power of God.

A being that is from everlasting to everlasting is supposed to be surpassed by an entity who (if lucky) will break the century mark? I beg to differ.

My point is that, at the end of the day, all of this is philosophical. Non-believers (atheists, in particular) obsess over the supposedly non-existent God for one simple reason: They don’t want to answer to Him or be held accountable to Him.

Therefore, any scientific theory that feeds that philosophical mindset (i.e. evolution) is exalted.

That is why I’ve often said that atheism is effectively man worshipping himself.

fitt@40 · « **Reply #54 on:** April 10, 2009, 12:45:10 PM »

Quote from: TrapsMcLats on April 09, 2009, 04:06:14 PM

hey, if we can prove there is a god, more power to us, because it would only prove that we are on a path to grow more powerful than said god, and if we found a god, we could ask why it doesn't intervene more, and if all the religious nutbags are truly as out of line as we think they are.

do some research on ten dimensional hyperspace, string theory, multiple universes, and how tiny bubbles spontaneously appear in a vacuum. I suggest you read "coming of age in the milky way" by timothy farris.

Have you ever considered the possibility He may tell you those "religious nutbags" were right?

TrapsMcLats · « **Reply #55 on:** April 10, 2009, 02:34:15 PM »

Quote from: fitt@40 on April 10, 2009, 12:45:10 PM

Have you ever considered the possibility He may tell you those "religious nutbags" were right?

If there is a god, i sincerely doubt he is so insecure that he would need religious NUTBAGS going around preaching his gospel. If he is so powerful, why would he need a marketing staff?

fitt@40 · « **Reply #56 on:** April 10, 2009, 02:58:40 PM »

Quote from: TrapsMcLats on April 10, 2009, 02:34:15 PM

If there is a god, i sincerely doubt he is so insecure that he would need religious NUTBAGS going around preaching his gospel. If he is so powerful, why would he need a marketing staff?

Maybe He gave us a free will to follow Him or not. Maybe we are not the nutbags.

As I have said to you before, I understand that you feel were delusional. You do not believe in God. How can you believe in the things we do? Let us just agree to disagree.

TrapsMcLats · « **Reply #57 on:** April 10, 2009, 03:25:22 PM »

I believe in what can be proven, you believe in nonsense. this is not philosophy.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #58 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:27:26 PM »

Quote from: TrapsMcLats on April 10, 2009, 03:25:22 PM

I believe in what can be proven, you believe in nonsense. this is not philosophy.

Really? Where is the scientific proof for the origin of life on earth? Not macroevolution, but the very beginning.

TrapsMcLats · « **Reply #59 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:39:42 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on April 10, 2009, 04:27:26 PM

Really? Where is the scientific proof for the origin of life on earth? Not macroevolution, but the very beginning.

there aer various theories out there, i'm fine with not knowing the exact answer. As we work out way back in time through science, we'll make these discoveries.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #60 on:** April 10, 2009, 05:07:54 PM »

Quote from: TrapsMcLats on April 10, 2009, 04:39:42 PM

there aer various theories out there, i'm fine with not knowing the exact answer. As we work out way back in time through science, we'll make these discoveries.

Doesn't that conflict with what you just said?

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Quote from: TrapsMcLats on April 10, 2009, 03:25:22 PM
I believe in what can be proven, you believe in nonsense. this is not philosophy.

We all know life originated on earth at some point, but there is no scientific proof of how life originated. It really can't be proved.

I've said a few times that all of the theories regarding the origin of life on earth (including intelligent design) sound like science fiction.

TrapsMcLats · « **Reply #61 on:** April 10, 2009, 05:11:55 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on April 10, 2009, 05:07:54 PM

Doesn't that conflict with what you just said?

We all know life originated on earth at some point, but there is no scientific proof of how life originated. It really can't be proved.

I've said a few times that all of the theories regarding the origin of life on earth (including intelligent design) sound like science fiction.

not yet. There's a lot of stuff they couldn't prove a long time ago that we long didn't understand, but now we do, and we can prove it. the scary thing about science fiction is that it is becoming less like fiction and more like reality every day.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #62 on:** April 10, 2009, 11:25:11 PM »

Quote from: TrapsMcLats on April 10, 2009, 05:11:55 PM

not yet. There's a lot of stuff they couldn't prove a long time ago that we long didn't understand, but now we do, and we can prove it. the scary thing about science fiction is that it is becoming less like fiction and more like reality every day.

True.

Necrosis · « **Reply #63 on:** April 12, 2009, 02:58:53 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on April 09, 2009, 01:37:32 PM

he Bible has hardly been a hindrance to progress and understanding, especially in light of the fact that early men of science were also men of faith.

Listen to what you just said, “We’re re-creating situations very close to the birth of our universe…..”. In order for you to "re-create" something, someone else would have to create those situations, in the first place.

Plus, if it takes billions of dollars and countless man-hours are necessary, just to build this LHC thing (by knowledgeable scientists), how do you propose that life on Earth was due to some random “accident” with no source and no sentient guidance?

In essence, you're hemmorhaging cash just to show that there is (or may not be) a God.

what created god? since anything that exists needs to be created based on your logic?

Eyeball Chambers · « **Reply #64 on:** April 12, 2009, 03:03:17 PM »

Quote from: TrapsMcLats on March 31, 2009, 09:46:11 PM

Any of you religious folks have any scientific proof of god? Didn't think so.

Do you have any scientific proof to disprove the existence of a god? Didn't think so.

Necrosis · « **Reply #65 on:** April 12, 2009, 03:27:55 PM »

Quote from: RPF on April 12, 2009, 03:03:17 PM

Do you have any scientific proof to disprove the existence of a god? Didn't think so.

you can't disprove a negative, the burden or proof is on you, the one claiming something. Especially something as incredible as a god.

make sure it's proof for your god, not zeus....

big L dawg · « **Reply #66 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:25:27 PM »

Government_Controlled · « **Reply #67 on:** April 22, 2009, 01:26:39 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on April 10, 2009, 06:05:56 AM

More powerful? PLEASE!!!

It taken man hundreds of years (if not longer) to "discover" what God has known from the beginning. In fact, that's the very root of the word, "discover": to find what is already there.

Again, billions of dollars, countless man-hours......and man isn't even CLOSE to equaling (much less surpassing) the knowledge and power of God.

A being that is from everlasting to everlasting is supposed to be surpassed by an entity who (if lucky) will break the century mark? I beg to differ.

My point is that, at the end of the day, all of this is philosophical. Non-believers (atheists, in particular) obsess over the supposedly non-existent God for one simple reason: They don’t want to answer to Him or be held accountable to Him.

Therefore, any scientific theory that feeds that philosophical mindset (i.e. evolution) is exalted.

That is why I’ve often said that atheism is effectively man worshipping himself.

Excellent post! Especially the point(s) made in bold red!

GC/DEA_Agent

Option D · « **Reply #68 on:** April 22, 2009, 01:27:40 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on March 31, 2009, 09:50:35 PM

Joe Montana.

nuff said.

i was gonna say halley berry

Government_Controlled · « **Reply #69 on:** April 22, 2009, 01:35:40 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on April 09, 2009, 01:37:32 PM

he Bible has hardly been a hindrance to progress and understanding, especially in light of the fact that early men of science were also men of faith.

Listen to what you just said, “We’re re-creating situations very close to the birth of our universe…..”. In order for you to "re-create" something, someone else would have to create those situations, in the first place.

Plus, if it takes billions of dollars and countless man-hours are necessary, just to build this LHC thing (by knowledgeable scientists), how do you propose that life on Earth was due to some random “accident” with no source and no sentient guidance?

In essence, you're hemmorhaging cash just to show that there is (or may not be) a God.

Another excellent post! It's mind boggling how some scientist can be non-believers when in fact, they are involved in intelligent design, yet, will claim that other more complex systems came about by chance.

They know better in my opinion. Like Mcway pointed out, there are people who don't want there to be a God who they have to answer too. Same with a rebellious child who doesn't want to follow their parents rules.

GC/DEA_AGENT

Government_Controlled · « **Reply #70 on:** April 22, 2009, 01:55:56 PM »

Quote from: TrapsMcLats on April 10, 2009, 05:11:55 PM

not yet. There's a lot of stuff they couldn't prove a long time ago that we long didn't understand, but now we do, and we can prove it.

Exactly! In the Hebrew scriptures there is an example of this. The Bible made it clear long before man had a clue. Scientific evidence from the Bible at it's best.

CG/DEA_AGENT

big L dawg · « **Reply #71 on:** April 22, 2009, 01:58:47 PM »

Quote from: Government_Controlled on April 22, 2009, 01:55:56 PM

Exactly! In the Hebrew scriptures there is an example of this. The Bible made it clear long before man had a clue. Scientific evidence from the Bible at it's best.

CG/DEA_AGENT

Haha yea...thats why the Christian leaders persecuted and nearly put to death Galileo for having the audacity to Say the earth revolved around the sun.

Government_Controlled · « **Reply #72 on:** April 22, 2009, 02:05:28 PM »

Quote from: big L dawg on April 22, 2009, 01:58:47 PM

Haha yea...thats why the Christian leaders persecuted and nearly put to death Galileo for having the audacity to Say the earth revolved around the sun.

Those were not true Christians, dawg. True Christians would not have been involved in such behaviour. This is one problem that people need to clear up in their minds. There are folks who "claim" to be Bible followers, yet do not come close to following it's teachings. Keep in mind, God has an adversary, who relentlessly continues to use the Bible as his prop, in order to defame the God of the Bible.

GC/DEA_AGENt

big L dawg · « **Reply #73 on:** April 22, 2009, 02:27:48 PM »

Quote from: Government_Controlled on April 22, 2009, 02:05:28 PM

Those were not true Christians, dawg. True Christians would not have been involved in such behaviour. This is one problem that people need to clear up in their minds. There are folks who "claim" to be Bible followers, yet do not come close to following it's teachings. Keep in mind, God has an adversary, who relentlessly continues to use the Bible as his prop, in order to defame the God of the Bible.

GC/DEA_AGENt

Ganuvanx · « **Reply #74 on:** May 05, 2009, 11:23:34 PM »

The proof for God's existence is all around you. Close your heart and you will never be able to see it.