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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #50 on: April 04, 2009, 09:10:28 PM »
See my previous post about how raping a possession was impossible.
LOL bro i understand what you are saying your missing my point, it was STILL RAPE no matter whether or not it was legal or illegal or prosecuted or not it was still rape...

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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #51 on: April 04, 2009, 11:52:38 PM »
LOL bro i understand what you are saying your missing my point, it was STILL RAPE no matter whether or not it was legal or illegal or prosecuted or not it was still rape...

I think we have a difference in philosophy.

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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2009, 12:30:50 AM »
it's all fun and good...

but what if your SISTER married some idiot who assraped her all day?  Wouldn't you want to bludgeon the guy?

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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #53 on: April 05, 2009, 12:44:28 AM »
It is called the DUTIES OF MARRIAGE... meaning like it or not there are times you have to perform the functions of marriage regardless of whether or not you like it. How many husbands would like to say to their boss KISS MY ASS and quit their jobs??? Plenty, but they don't becasue they realize they have a family to support...it is a part of the duties of a husband. Now in all honesty how much sex is a man getting from his wife? Is it so terrible or so long that she can not tolerate it? Women think and try to control a relationship/husband by exercising such antics...funny though...as soon as that husband goes after another woman the wife all of a sudden has a change of heart on the matter and greats him with open arms (and legs) any day he desires. IMO since she can not or does not want to perform the duties of marriage...then put her out and let her find someone else. And when she leaves she leaves with only what she brought...which in the case of Afghanistan, IS NOTHING!!!!!

Wanna see the divorce rate plummet in america...put into law that a woman can only take from the marriage what she absolutely brought into it....divorece wold go down to practically ZERO OVERNIGHT.

you must be a pretty repulsive person if you think being able to legally rape your wife can work to your advantage...

but who cares what they do? let them rape and kill each other. as long as it stays within their borders i really dont give a fuck.

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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2009, 05:46:34 AM »
Where's Slapper to say islamic law isn't evil, it's the people who enforce the law OR commit crimes against that law? :D
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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2009, 01:54:10 PM »
you must be a pretty repulsive person if you think being able to legally rape your wife can work to your advantage...

but who cares what they do? let them rape and kill each other. as long as it stays within their borders i really dont give a fuck.

And, therein lies the problem. That mess ain't going to stay within their borders. Take a good look at Europe. Their people have the same attitude.

Now, Muslims are moving to European countries and setting up shop there, and some are already making moves to implement Sharia law there.


What happens when laws like this end up in Spain, The UK, or France?

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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2009, 02:01:11 PM »
And, therein lies the problem. That mess ain't going to stay within their borders. Take a good look at Europe. Their people have the same attitude.

Now, Muslims are moving to European countries and setting up shop there, and some are already making moves to implement Sharia law there.


What happens when laws like this end up in Spain, The UK, or France?


They won't. Some concern is warranted but Europe is no where close to falling under Sharia law or any such thing, believe me.
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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #57 on: April 05, 2009, 02:03:27 PM »
They won't. Some concern is warranted but Europe is no where close to falling under Sharia law or any such thing, believe me.

Funny considering the UK just established a Sharia Law court last year.  ;)

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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #58 on: April 05, 2009, 02:05:01 PM »
They won't. Some concern is warranted but Europe is no where close to falling under Sharia law or any such thing, believe me.

Says who? If the Muslims make the push, who's going to stop them? When the rubber meets the road, are the aforementioned countries ready to take off the gloves? Or, are they simply going to cower away and impose worthless sanctions and resolutions?

Funny considering the UK just established a Sharia Law court last year.  ;)

My point exactly!!! And what did the folks there do about it? NOT A DARN THING!!!

What makes you think France, Spain, or Germany are going to stand up to them?

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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #59 on: April 05, 2009, 02:28:15 PM »
Funny considering the UK just established a Sharia Law court last year.  ;)
They actually didn't establish Sharia Courts like you guys make it sound.  It's basically third party arbitration.  No party can be forced into it.  It's for non criminal disputes where both parties agree to arbitration.  The laws allowing this have been around a long ass time.  There are religious "courts" here.  The Jews have had their same arbitration "courts" in England and here for a long time. 100 years in England.  Arbitration is legally binding however; I would think, but I don't know, that an arbitrator could not render a verdict that breaks laws of the land.  Maybe our resident lawyer can chime in and expand on it.


"The 1996 Act does not seek to define or describe those matters that are
capable of settlement by arbitration (i.e., arbitrable). The 1996 Act
simply preserves the common law position in respect of arbitrability
(section 81(1)(a)). However, the 1996 Act expressly applies to noncontractual
as well as contractual disputes (section 6(1)).
Under English common law, a multitude of non-contractual claims
(including claims in tort, disputes concerning intellectual property
rights and certain statutory claims) are capable of settlement by
arbitration. Arbitration is, however, limited to civil proceedings.
Criminal matters are not capable of settlement by arbitration."

http://www.wilmerhale.com/files/Publication/b1e5ef63-a1a0-436b-a71a-21df3d9567fe/Presentation/PublicationAttachment/9d7e2ed4-3224-444d-b05f-2d6152fb1bd0/IA08_Chapter%2018_England%20and%20Wales.pdf

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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #60 on: April 05, 2009, 02:28:22 PM »
Funny considering the UK just established a Sharia Law court last year.  ;)

The UK is not Europe. I don't know why everyone lumps it in with Europe.

So what I was saying is that there is no worry on CONTINENTAL Europe.

Europeans have fought for liberal (in the classical/European sense) values for centuries, have shed much blood over it and suffered. We won't give up those values just because a bunch of primitives demand it of us.
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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #61 on: April 05, 2009, 02:30:39 PM »
Says who? If the Muslims make the push, who's going to stop them? When the rubber meets the road, are the aforementioned countries ready to take off the gloves? Or, are they simply going to cower away and impose worthless sanctions and resolutions?

My point exactly!!! And what did the folks there do about it? NOT A DARN THING!!!

What makes you think France, Spain, or Germany are going to stand up to them?

See my post below. Taking off the gloves DOES NOT HOWEVER mean that we need to fly over to other countries, bomb them and occupy them; waste of time and resources. If issues crop up in Europe then Europeans will address them in the European context. I see it that way and many of my friends fo as well.
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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #62 on: April 05, 2009, 02:50:29 PM »
The UK is not Europe. I don't know why everyone lumps it in with Europe.

So what I was saying is that there is no worry on CONTINENTAL Europe.

Europeans have fought for liberal (in the classical/European sense) values for centuries, have shed much blood over it and suffered. We won't give up those values just because a bunch of primitives demand it of us.

Hahaha, whatever helps you rationalize your fallacious point. The fact is that countries like France have even more Muslims than the UK and it's only a matter of time until Sharia is introduced there.

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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #63 on: April 05, 2009, 03:20:30 PM »
Hahaha, whatever helps you rationalize your fallacious point. The fact is that countries like France have even more Muslims than the UK and it's only a matter of time until Sharia is introduced there.

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If you knew anything about the legal system in France you would realise that SECULAR values hold sway there ultimately. They were fought for and bled for. That won't change.
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« Reply #64 on: April 05, 2009, 03:51:44 PM »
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If you knew anything about the legal system in France you would realise that SECULAR values hold sway there ultimately. They were fought for and bled for. That won't change.

The question remains, will the French fight ang bleed for those "SECULAR values" NOW?

Or, will they bow like little punks to their Muslim counterparts, once they get the muscle and the means to impose Sharia law?

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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #65 on: April 05, 2009, 03:56:00 PM »
The question remains, will the French fight ang bleed for those "SECULAR values" NOW?

Or, will they bow like little punks to their Muslim counterparts, once they get the muscle and the means to impose Sharia law?

Yes, they would fight and bleed if it came to it, but I doubt it will any time soon.

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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #66 on: April 05, 2009, 04:38:58 PM »
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If you knew anything about the legal system in France you would realise that SECULAR values hold sway there ultimately. They were fought for and bled for. That won't change.

The french lost their balls after 1918...they have areas of Paris that the Cops..backed by their anti-terror police, won't go because of the ragheads. The French would fold and be praying to Mecca in a heartbeat if seriously threathened.
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« Reply #67 on: April 06, 2009, 01:43:33 AM »
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If you knew anything about the legal system in France you would realise that SECULAR values hold sway there ultimately. They were fought for and bled for. That won't change.

No offense but it's easy for these values to change if ultimately no one values them. Look around the UK mate, don't tell me for a second these people want to integrate. Sure some do, but honestly in your heart of hearts what do you see?

The UK is the origin of the Magna Carta and English Common Law so to say France will never change is something you can't say. Parts of sharia law have been implemented in UK, something you would never have believed would happen not too long ago, and the simple reason is demographic change.

Frances capital has been held hostage by muslims several times quite recently, so I don't see any logic in you denying the possibility exists.
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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #68 on: April 06, 2009, 02:03:48 AM »
No offense but it's easy for these values to change if ultimately no one values them. Look around the UK mate, don't tell me for a second these people want to integrate. Sure some do, but honestly in your heart of hearts what do you see?

The UK is the origin of the Magna Carta and English Common Law so to say France will never change is something you can't say. Parts of sharia law have been implemented in UK, something you would never have believed would happen not too long ago, and the simple reason is demographic change.

Frances capital has been held hostage by muslims several times quite recently, so I don't see any logic in you denying the possibility exists.

The real danger in France is not Sharia law but violent North Africans (who probably are the realy danger in Belgium and Germany as well); they are the worst immigrants; personally been assaulted thrice by them, a friend was assaulted, others I know robbed and broken into; that has nothing to do with Islam or Sharia law, just filthy criminal scum from North Africa.
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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #69 on: April 06, 2009, 02:33:14 AM »
The real danger in France is not Sharia law but violent North Africans (who probably are the realy danger in Belgium and Germany as well); they are the worst immigrants; personally been assaulted thrice by them, a friend was assaulted, others I know robbed and broken into; that has nothing to do with Islam or Sharia law, just filthy criminal scum from North Africa.

Yes, but these immigrants happen to be uneducated muslims which bring many more problems, this is the problem with the UK, uneducated muslims who still go around wearing man-skirts and living off welfare - and the REAL problem is the easy to manipulate socialist welfare system which makes these people NOT WANT to change for the better. Honestly, it's a dangerous cocktail and the potential really is there. Western society has made MANY concessions for islamic values and I don't see it stopping any time soon.
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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #70 on: April 06, 2009, 02:21:24 PM »
Afghanistan 'rape' law puts women's rights front and center
     
KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- "In Afghanistan, the sacrifice in the political game is women and children," female Afghan parliamentarian Fawzia Koofi said.

Koofi says that is exactly what happened when the Afghan parliament recently passed a bill intended to give the minority Shiite community their own identity. But critics say the latest draft strips Shiite women of rights as simple as leaving the house without permission from a male relative and as extreme as allowing a man to have sexual intercourse with his wife even when she says, "No."

These critics wonder how what amounts to rape in marriage could be passed by parliament and signed into law by President Hamid Karzai.

Amid blistering criticism from the West, Karzai addressed the law over the weekend, saying that key elements of the bill were misinterpreted by Western news organizations.  Watch Karzai react to controversial law »

"We understand the concerns of our allies and the international community. Those concerns may be due to an inappropriate, not-so-good translation of the law, or misinterpretation," Karzai told reporters in Kabul.

He added that the Minister of Justice will study the "Shiite state law," line by line, to make sure it follows the nation's constitution, which requires equal rights to both sexes.

"If there is anything that is of concern to us, then we will definitely take action in consultation with our [religious clerics] and send it back to the parliament. You be assured of that. This is something that we're also serious about and should not allow," he said.

However, Karzai did not address the most controversial part of the bill, dealing with rape of a wife.  Watch a report on the law »

The Shiite state law was debated by 249 members of the lower house, including 68 women, some of whom voted for the bill. It was then sent to the upper house. Even some lawmakers are baffled at the manner in which it passed.

"Most members of the parliament did not know what they were going to vote for," Koofi said. "Even some of my friends, MPs sitting with me, voted in favor without knowing what happened."

U.S. President Obama called the law "abhorrent" and said his administration has made it clear to the Karzai government that it objects to the law. Human rights groups and the international community have condemned the law and say it could undermine efforts to support basic human rights in the war-torn nation.

"We very much hope that the draft piece of legislation is to be withdrawn," German Chancellor Angela Merkel said during a NATO summit on Afghanistan over the weekend. "It is unacceptable if such a law were to be passed in Afghanistan and become a part of Afghan legislation."

According to lawmakers who opposed the bill, conservative legislators are pushing back any progress made for women's rights in Afghanistan after the brutal oppression under the Taliban regime.

From 1996 to 2001, under the Sunni fundamentalist government of the Taliban, women were not allowed to leave their homes without being escorted by a male relative, and girls were not allowed to go to school.

When women did leave their homes, they were required to wear a blue burqa, which covered their bodies from head to toe. The only opening was a small net that provided an eyehole for the women to see through.

Women remember those days with despair.

One female teacher, who asked not to be named, said that during the Taliban regime, she was stopped at the market by the Taliban and beaten with a whip. Her crime: She wore a shawl covering her body instead of a burqa. She says she was too poor to purchase a real burqa.

After that beating, she was stuck in her home for months until someone was able to give her a used burqa. But even then, she didn't know how to function wearing the suffocating fabric.

"I remember stepping out of a taxi with my son, and my foot was caught inside the burqa, making me fall out of the taxi onto mud. And everyone started laughing. It was humiliating," she said.

Women in Afghanistan can still be seen wearing burqas. But Koofi says advances have been made for women's rights in recent years. In some cases, it's as simple as putting on makeup and walking down city streets.

But she fears that the rights of women and children could slowly be eroded, the "victims of political games," as she puts it. "I mean, they don't have a gun to fight [with], they cannot create a mess," Koofi said.

That's a sentiment echoed by rights groups. "The reported new law on women's rights could be about to seriously undermine women's rights for millions of Afghanistan women," Amnesty International said in a statement.

The new law was intended to give the minority Shiite community its own identity within the predominantly Sunni country. Shiites have been practicing their form of Islam for centuries in Afghanistan, but they agree that there needs to be a governing Islamic law for Shiites alone, one recognized by the central government.

Koofi welcomes international support in fighting the new law, telling CNN that international investments in Afghanistan should go beyond financial donations.

"I don't ask that the international community come and make laws for us, but they have to make the government of Afghanistan accountable for their commitment to women and children ... and basically the human rights situation in this country," she said.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/04/06/afghanistan.law/index.html

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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #71 on: April 06, 2009, 03:16:08 PM »
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Re: Afghan Law That Legalizes Rape Poses Problem for Obama and Clinton
« Reply #72 on: April 07, 2009, 10:16:31 AM »
The french lost their balls after 1918...they have areas of Paris that the Cops..backed by their anti-terror police, won't go because of the ragheads. The French would fold and be praying to Mecca in a heartbeat if seriously threathened.

How does Jean-Pierre Abdul Muhammad sound?

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