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36 years old

5,7  Midget 

72kg contest weight/85kg offseason.
training 18 years

I think this is the key....

[Eisenherz]

36 years old

5,7  Midget 

72kg contest weight/85kg offseason.
training 18 years

Fatty

[kiwiol]

36 years old

5,7  Midget 

72kg contest weight/85kg offseason.
training 18 years

A lot of the nimrods here have no clue on what can be achieved naturally. No, you aren't gonna look like Ronnie Coleman or even come close to looking like an IFBB pro, but you can look great by anyone's standards as long as you have decent genetics and are willing to put in the hard work and time. Great job with your physique, brah.

[Super Natural]

A lot of the nimrods here have no clue on what can be achieved naturally. No, you aren't gonna look like Ronnie Coleman or even come close to looking like an IFBB pro, but you can look great by anyone's standards as long as you have decent genetics and are willing to put in the hard work and time. Great job with your physique, brah.

Shot man, True dat!
This gives a better idea, (note: I didn't grow into the show- I lost 14kg! to get that lean and I wasn't too fat to start...Unless going from a poor diet and untrained state I don't know how some guys "Grow into shows" without drugs 

[kyomu]

Ha ha  , Seriously no anabolic drugs/GH/CLEN/T3 etc. at all! I tell you what my test levels were very low towards the show that my girlfriend didn't get sex for 5 weeks!  poor bitch 
The whole Natural thing is stupid I agree! ...Selfproclaimed Natural bodybuilding I could care less about  ...  Most self proclaimed Natural body builders are like those religious fanatics think they better than anyone else 
I'm anti drugs though!
 How'd I do it? "SUPER NATURAL" effort baby!  ECA stack (love that shit), 5x a week max Ot training and 12 x a week short cardio sessions 15min
and a meticulaous very strict hi protien diet, lots of veggies,water for 16 weeks (was brutal) went down to 1500 calories and 100g of carbs with 3 a day training sessions to get that lean.

believe it or not! I got nothing to prove 

You are very brave to go down until 72kg.
And I saw your 85kg pic and quite lean.

Maybe next time,I must be in -75kg class too.

[specter]

"HAHAHAHA! Look at these lats, like devil wings. My body is the temple of my Lord....which means I just juiced up Satan's Temple!"

Haha i Worship No one..

[Super Natural]

You are very brave to go down until 72kg.
And I saw your 85kg pic and quite lean.

Maybe next time,I must be in -75kg class too.

Saw your pics Kyomu you looked good, excellent quads! I went to Barcelona in 2007 after the Classic world champs (awesome city!)

I didn't worry about weight, only how much fat was left to lose on my glutes/lowerback hamstrings, how ripped you are is the most important thing, you will give the illution of being much bigger..., everyone has abs so didn't even worry about those.. only hamstrings & glutes (the last place to go for most people) just kept dieting, dieting until I was lean enough...you can never be too lean when it comes to competition!

[kyomu]

Saw your pics Kyomu you looked good, excellent quads! I went to Barcelona in 2007 after the Classic world champs (awesome city!)

I didn't worry about weight, only how much fat was left to lose on my glutes/lowerback hamstrings, how ripped you are is the most important thing, you will give the illution of being much bigger..., everyone has abs so didn't even worry about those.. only hamstrings & glutes (the last place to go for most people) just kept dieting, dieting until I was lean enough...you can never be too lean when it comes to competition!

Of course I understand you.
But the amazing job you did is cutting your hams and glutes while another body parts keep full.
Maybe you know some technic that Paco and I dont know.
You are the true natural BBing master.

[Super Natural]

Of course I understand you.
But the amazing job you did is cutting your hams and glutes while another body parts keep full.
Maybe you know some technic that Paco and I dont know.
You are the true natural BBing master.

I may be wrong but I think possibly the mistake you are making is training like Paco - High volume (like most pro's do)
I think that is too much if you are drug free.You stay fuller (spare glycolgen) if you train with less sets. use the cardio and diet to burn fat off..If I were you I'd try Max Ot - very good program for drug free guys - short,heavy and intense (40 minutes).

[Mars]

[kyomu]

I may be wrong but I think possibly the mistake you are making is training like Paco - High volume (like most pro's do)
I think that is too much if you are drug free.You stay fuller (spare glycolgen) if you train with less sets. use the cardio and diet to burn fat off..If I were you I'd try Max Ot - very good program for drug free guys - short and intense (40 minutes).

I understan you  a lot.
Paco noticed about it and before 2nd show, he cut out the set and he prohibit me to train failure.
I think maybe,all the natural bber should stay lean(enough to do the guest apperance) before start preparing for the show.
If not, our muscle cant resist the severe diet and end up looking dead and smooth.
So, We decideded that I keep on staying around 80kg always.
Hopefuly I can show up on stage hard like you next time.

[Mars]

[DK II]

Shot man, True dat!
This gives a better idea, (note: I didn't grow into the show- I lost 14kg! to get that lean and I wasn't too fat to start...Unless going from a poor diet and untrained state I don't know how some guys "Grow into shows" without drugs 

Wow, impressive all the way!

[kyomu]

Wow, impressive all the way!

I think, his secret is starting diet from very lean state.
Look at his 84kg pic, he looks very lean already.

[DK II]

I think, his secret is starting diet from very lean state.
Look at his 84kg pic, he looks very lean already.

Yes, that's what i meant.

for the average Joe, he is already lean and looks great at 84kg. I agree with you that he is very brave to have dieted down that much!

I would be very happy with that 84kg, but i also have a lot of time until i have the 18 years of training, lol! I will do my best.

[kyomu]

Yes, that's what i meant.

for the average Joe, he is already lean and looks great at 84kg. I agree with you that he is very brave to have dieted down that much!

I would be very happy with that 84kg, but i also have a lot of time until i have the 18 years of training, lol! I will do my best.

Good luck mate!

[DK II]

Good luck mate!

lol, thanks.

[DK II]

awesome physique @ supernatural !

 

Sieg Heil, Janis!!


 

[wavelength]

A lot of the nimrods here have no clue on what can be achieved naturally. No, you aren't gonna look like Ronnie Coleman or even come close to looking like an IFBB pro, but you can look great by anyone's standards as long as you have decent genetics and are willing to put in the hard work and time. Great job with your physique, brah.

Agreed. You just don't know what's there until you diet down. It's never more than you expect.

[Cleanest Natural]

No offence but I'm curious as what possessed you to get that


Also : do you know what it means ? (symbolically )

[DK II]

No offence but I'm curious as what possessed you to get that


Also : do you know what it means ? (symbolically )

Are you saying there are people out there getting tattoos without knowing what it means?

[Eisenherz]

No offence but I'm curious as what possessed you to get that


Also : do you know what it means ? (symbolically )

what it mean sev?

[Cleanest Natural]

I understan you  a lot.
Paco noticed about it and before 2nd show, he cut out the set and he prohibit me to train failure.
I think maybe,all the natural bber should stay lean(enough to do the guest apperance) before start preparing for the show.
If not, our muscle cant resist the severe diet and end up looking dead and smooth.
So, We decideded that I keep on staying around 80kg always.
Hopefuly I can show up on stage hard like you next time.

if nattie, you will NEVER look hard like a juicer on stage

NEVER EVER

NATURAL BODYBUILDING AS IN COMPETITIVE BB DOES NOT EXIST AND NEVER EVER EXISTED ( unless you wanna look like shit and place dead last or close )

[Marty Champions]

Ha ha  , Seriously no anabolic drugs/GH/CLEN/T3 etc. at all! I tell you what my test levels were very low towards the show that my girlfriend didn't get sex for 5 weeks!  poor bitch 
The whole Natural thing is stupid I agree! ...Selfproclaimed Natural bodybuilding I could care less about  ...  Most self proclaimed Natural body builders are like those religious fanatics think they better than anyone else 
I'm anti drugs though!
 How'd I do it? "SUPER NATURAL" effort baby!  ECA stack (love that shit), 5x a week max Ot training and 12 x a week short cardio sessions 15min
and a meticulaous very strict hi protien diet, lots of veggies,water for 16 weeks (was brutal) went down to 1500 calories and 100g of carbs with 3 a day training sessions to get that lean.

believe it or not! I got nothing to prove 

it would suck to trade off libido for being shredded

are u saying u didnt jack off either in 5 weeks? waaaaht?

[kyomu]

if nattie, you will NEVER look hard like a juicer on stage

NEVER EVER

NATURAL BODYBUILDING AS IN COMPETITIVE BB DOES NOT EXIST AND NEVER EVER EXISTED ( unless you wanna look like shit and place dead last or close )

Oh do i look like shit?

Or, you say this guy is not natural?

Never ever....OK, Do you know the fine line of natural and juicers?