Waterboarding KSM Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on LA

[Soul Crusher]

They refuse to argue about this article because it is clear evidence that THOUSANDS OF LIVES WERE SAVED we pouring water of KSM's head.

Future blood of Americans is on liberal hands if future plots are not able to be broken up because we cant get the intel.    

[Decker]

CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles
Tuesday, April 21, 2009

By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief

Khalid Sheik Mohammad, a top al Qaeda leader who divulged information -- after being waterboarded -- that allowed the U.S. government to stop a planned terrorist attack on Los Angeles. (CNSNews.com) - The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.
 
Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks on the United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators, “Soon, you will know.”
 
According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.”

KSM was the mastermind of the first “hijacked-airliner” attacks on the United States, which struck the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Northern Virginia on Sept. 11, 2001.
 
After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially cooperative with CIA interrogators.  Nor was another top al Qaeda leader named Zubaydah.  KSM, Zubaydah, and a third terrorist named Nashiri were the only three persons ever subjected to waterboarding by the CIA. (Additional terrorist detainees were subjected to other “enhanced techniques” that included slapping, sleep deprivation, dietary limitations, and temporary confinement to small spaces -- but not to water-boarding.)

This was because the CIA imposed very tight restrictions on the use of waterboarding. “The ‘waterboard,’ which is the most intense of the CIA interrogation techniques, is subject to additional limits,” explained the May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo. “It may be used on a High Value Detainee only if the CIA has ‘credible intelligence that a terrorist attack is imminent’; ‘substantial and credible indicators that the subject has actionable intelligence that can prevent, disrupt or deny this attack’; and ‘

• ther interrogation methods have failed to elicit this information within the perceived time limit for preventing the attack.’”
[/b] The quotations in this part of the Justice memo were taken from an Aug. 2, 2004 letter that CIA Acting General Counsel John A. Rizzo sent to the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel.
 

Before they were subjected to “enhanced techniques” of interrogation that included waterboarding, KSM and Zubaydah were not only uncooperative but also appeared contemptuous of the will of the American people to defend themselves.
 
“In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including KSM and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques,” says the Justice Department memo. “Both KSM and Zubaydah had ‘expressed their belief that the general US population was ‘weak,’ lacked resilience, and would be unable to ‘do what was necessary’ to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals.’   Indeed, before the CIA used enhanced techniques in its interrogation of KSM, KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, ‘Soon you will know.’”
 
After he was subjected to the “waterboard” technique, KSM became cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style attack on Los Angeles.

The May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that details what happened in this regard was written by then-Principal Deputy Attorney General Steven G. Bradbury to John A. Rizzo, the senior deputy general counsel for the CIA.
 
“You have informed us that the interrogation of KSM—once enhanced techniques were employed—led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles,” says the memo.
 
“You have informed us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discover of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemaah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave,’” reads the memo. “More specifically, we understand that KSM admitted that he had [redaction] large sum of money to an al Qaeda associate [redaction] … Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair), who was then captured. Zubair, in turn, provided information that led to the arrest of Hambali. The information acquired from these captures allowed CIA interrogators to pose more specific questions to KSM, which led the CIA to Hambali’s brother, al Hadi. Using information obtained from multiple sources, al-Hadi was captured, and he subsequently identified the Garuba cell. With the aid of this additional information, interrogations of Hambali confirmed much of what was learned from KSM.”
 
A CIA spokesman confirmed to CNSNews.com today that the CIA stands by the factual assertions made here.
 
In the memo itself, the Justice Department’s Bradbury told the CIA’s Rossi: “Your office has informed us that the CIA believes that ‘the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qa’ida has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.”
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I will say it now:

1.  I have no problem with DHS saying I am a potential domestic enemy for my beliefs

2.  Obama is a traitor and sleeper cell islamic marxist

3.  The CIA saved lives by pouring water over this murderers; head.

4.  Islam is a death cult

5.  Obama could care less if thousands of citizens are killed in a 9/11 style attack.

6.  Obama is and will always be a miserable disgrace worse than Carter.


FUBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Mohammed already gave the same information prior to waterboarding.  So much for this story.

[Soul Crusher]

Mohammed already gave the same information prior to waterboarding.  So much for this story.

Where does it say that?

[Decker]

And they're considering prosecuting people for doing this??   

Have you answered the question yet when did waterboarding stop being torture?  You say you are a conservative.  Prove it.

It was torture in WWII.  It was torture 20 years ago in a police case.

When did waterboarding stop being torture for you?

[Decker]

Where does it say that?

Which aspects of this plot could Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's waterboarding have revealed?


We learned about Al Qaeda's interest in flying planes into buildings on September 11, 2001.


We knew about Al Qaeda's use of shoe bombs from Richard Reid, captured in December 22, 2001.


We knew about Jemaah Islamiyah at least since the Bali Bomb attack on October 12, 2002.


The "key al Qaeda operative" and pilot for the plot, Zaini Zakari, was arrested by Malaysian authorities in December 2002.

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was captured in Rawalpindi, Pakistan on March 1, 2003 — after the plot was discovered, after the plot was "derailed", after the pilot of the plane was captured. Khaled Sheikh Mohammed could not have "provided valuable information and saved lives" when all aspects of the plot were well-known and the attack had been foiled prior to his capture.
http://waterboarding.org/success_story

More garbage from rightwing radicals...the same type who are likely to become domestic terrorists...according to this report:

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

Stop trying to change our country into a nazi/mafioso/quasi-terrorist regime.

[Dos Equis]

Have you answered the question yet when did waterboarding stop being torture?  You say you are a conservative.  Prove it.

It was torture in WWII.  It was torture 20 years ago in a police case.

When did waterboarding stop being torture for you?

I never said it was torture.  Never said I was a conservative.

I think it's ridiculous to put this and us in the same category as real torture done by terrorists.  Absurd.     

[Soul Crusher]

I only hope that if people die, they are not related to you.

[The Coach]

________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _________

I will say it now:

1.  I have no problem with DHS saying I am a potential domestic enemy for my beliefs

2.  Obama is a traitor and sleeper cell islamic marxist

3.  The CIA saved lives by pouring water over this murderers; head.

4.  Islam is a death cult

5.  Obama could care less if thousands of citizens are killed in a 9/11 style attack.

6.  Obama is and will always be a miserable disgrace worse than Carter.


FUBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

I agree with all of this, especially #2

[bigdumbbell]

i'm ok with torture.  but i find the above post by The Coach to be nutty.

[The Coach]

i'm ok with torture.  but i find the above post by The Coach to be nutty.

I don't, he's been kissing ass, apologetic about the America and talking against America to the dictators of the world. He makes it VERY clear that he is on their side and not ours.

[bigdumbbell]

I don't, he's been kissing ass, apologetic about the America and talking against America to the dictators of the world. He makes it VERY clear that he is on their side and not ours.

they won the election and we have every right to protest.  is saudi arabia a dictatorship?

[The Coach]

they won the election and we have every right to protest.  is saudi arabia a dictatorship?

No, it's a monarchy ruled by a King. Bad, but not as bad as a dictator.

[bigdumbbell]

No, it's a monarchy ruled by a King. Bad, but not as bad as a dictator.

um women in saudi arabia cannot drive, own property or vote.  are you ok with that too?

[24KT]

I dont believe the constitution is a suicide pact and realize that we are facing an emeny who uses our weakness, timidity, stupidity, and self loathing, against us.

It's not, ...but blind allegiance to the Republicans can be.
They've been using your weaknesses, timidity, stupidity, and self loathing against you for the past 8 years.
btw - are you sure you'd be able to spot an enemy, ...seeing how you can't even spell it?
...or is an emeny an even graver threat than an enemy? 

[24KT]

Of course not, but that is not what happened and that is not what does happen in real life.
 

Not yet anyway.    But hey, ...give it time. You gotta warm up the muscles before you flex them. 

[IFBBwannaB]

Anyone here seriously believe that you can extort any kind of worthwhile information (especially from people who are willing to die for it) in any method beside torture? 

If you believe that no country is doing that and more than you're a moron, the major difference is that most countries don't keep a record of the torture and a few silent men (investigators) can defend the country from a media shit storm and keep the Arab bitches at bay.

[The Master]

Debussey fully supports waterboarding terrorists.

[Soul Crusher]

It's not, ...but blind allegiance to the Republicans can be.
They've been using your weaknesses, timidity, stupidity, and self loathing against you for the past 8 years.
btw - are you sure you'd be able to spot an enemy, ...seeing how you can't even spell it?
...or is an emeny an even graver threat than an enemy? 

I guess that massive hole in the ground 10 miles from where I live is a mirage??

[Deicide]

I guess that massive hole in the ground 10 miles from where I live is a mirage??

Why do you think they attacked the US?

[Soul Crusher]

Why do you think they attacked the US?

This started years ago.  They attacked us because they could.

Just like the Marine Barracks in Beirut, Somalia, Cole, Khobar towers, The embassaies in Africa, WTC 93', the terrorists guessed we would not do anything, like we always did. 

Additionally, there is ZERO excuse for targeting poten tially 50,000 innocent people for attack.  So whatever reason they had, have, or could think of, it does not mean shit to me.

We are lucky only 3000 died.  Those towers at any other part of the day had 50,000 people in them.

[Deicide]

This started years ago.  They attacked us because they could.

Just like the Marine Barracks in Beirut, Somalia, Cole, Khobar towers, The embassaies in Africa, WTC 93', the terrorists guessed we would not do anything, like we always did. 

Additionally, there is ZERO excuse for targeting poten tially 50,000 innocent people for attack.  So whatever reason they had, have, or could think of, it does not mean shit to me.

We are lucky only 3000 died.  Those towers at any other part of the day had 50,000 people in them.

If you are tracking down a murderer you try to understand his motives, it doesn't mean you approve of murder. There must have been a reason WHY and maybe understanding that reason would help us to lessen the danger in the future.

[Soul Crusher]

That's fine, but they are only doing what they have always done. 

I agree that our meddling in the ME is probably a major cause, and I blame ourselves for that.  We should be drilling our own oil and providing our own energy. 

That would have been one of the things I would have done on 9/12/2001.

[Deicide]

That's fine, but they are only doing what they have always done. 

I agree that our meddling in the ME is probably a major cause, and I blame ourselves for that.  We should be drilling our own oil and providing our own energy. 

That would have been one of the things I would have done on 9/12/2001.

Na...we just went back to spending and shopping like we should have...

[Soul Crusher]

Na...we just went back to spending and shopping like we should have...

That was nonsense too. 

[Deicide]

That was nonsense too. 

But Bush told us to!