Author Topic: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread (Read 8781 times)

SAMSON123 · « **Reply #50 on:** April 26, 2009, 11:42:01 AM »

Quote from: Parker on April 25, 2009, 09:32:35 PM

Speaking of Immunity, I was watching a Secrets of the Dead episode and a guy who was a descendant of someone who survived the Bubonic Plague, he got AIDS, but somehow developed some sort of immunity. This was back in the 80's when this happened, and he was thought of as an anomaly.

I remember a couple of years ago a TV special showing people who had HIV who had lived at least 20 years with absolutely no symptoms or effect to their immune systems. Some were gay who lived extremely promiscuously, some were IV drug users some were just regular folk who had the virus, but the virus was not affecting them. There also was a large population of Africans who were immune to HIV and scientist were wondering why. All of these things are related to the complexity of the immune system and how it is capable of isolating viruses in the body even though it can not effectively kill the virus. THe person with the virus becomes a carrier though...meaning they won't get tthe full blown disease and will live a normal full life, but if they engage in unprotected sex with someone, the person can become infected. History shows that despite nature or man there are always people who will be immune from whatever the latest pandemic, outbreak or scourge is that over take a country or the planet. These individuals essentially hold the key to the survival of many, by finding out how their immune system keeps the virus in check...or destroys it all together....

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #51 on:** April 26, 2009, 03:47:57 PM »

You only have to worry if you're young and healthy... You know how the flu usually only targets the very young and old for death, exactly the opposite for this new one! WTF???

Range of ages infected: 9 to 54 years old: Link

"So far, in the United States the swine flu has infected a group between the ages of 7 and 54. One person was hospitalized. In Mexico, the illness infected mostly men between the ages of 20 and 35" Link

"Most of the dead were aged 25 to 45, a worrying sign because a hallmark of past pandemics has been high fatalities among healthy young adults." Link

I'll merge this with the other thread in a bit but I wanted everyone to see this incase they thought they didn't have to care because they're young and healthy. Apparently the more healthy you are, the more this attacks you. "Ironically, it is the good health of this young adult population which causes the fatalities" It "triggers a severe immune response which leads to excessive edema. This in turn ruptures the cell walls leading to hemorrhagic symptoms. Patients bleed out into their lungs and drown." So the more effective your immune response is, the worse for you.

Also a second WTF for me is why this was only carried by Rueters and in all the other stories I've seen they've had their usual warning about the very young and old needing to worry the most???

HOW IS THIS GOING TO EFFECT THE ECONOMY?

perfect storm shit, or engineered storm, depending on what you believe.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #52 on:** April 26, 2009, 04:23:17 PM »

BOOM, SMOKING GUN... And from a skeptic's article at The Weekly Standard 3 years ago...

"Separately, the scientists used gene splicing to create a hybrid H5N1/H3N2 virus. In other words, rather than letting nature take its course and seeing if the viruses would reassort, they guaranteed that reassortment occurred. "

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/089ntygt.asp?pg=2

24KT · « **Reply #53 on:** April 26, 2009, 04:33:02 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on April 26, 2009, 08:22:14 AM

we both wanted a girl.

HA! Be careful what you wish for.

You're in for an adventure. Enjoy!

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #54 on:** April 26, 2009, 04:33:12 PM »

Google Updated Maps Of Flu Outbreak

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=p&msa=0&msid=106484775090296685271.0004681a37b713f6b5950&ll=32.650649,-116.139221&spn=2.062781,3.99353&z=8

24KT · « **Reply #55 on:** April 26, 2009, 04:36:48 PM »

7 confirmed cases in Canada, (4 in BC, 3 in Nova Scotia) Supposedly Tamiflu is having an effect. $:-\$
It's expected to peter out shortly.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #56 on:** April 26, 2009, 04:53:02 PM »

Quote from: jaguarenterprises on April 26, 2009, 04:36:48 PM

It's expected to peter out shortly.

who came to that conclusion? I'm not sure I would understand such a statement seeing this meets so many, if not all, of the prime requirements for a pandemic. Who said it was going to peter out shortly?

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #57 on:** April 26, 2009, 05:00:49 PM »

LOL, here's what Canada also said: "Health authorities said they were ready to address the potential spread of the swine flu outbreak and had a stockpile of 50 million vaccine doses, which would be sufficient to serve Canada's population of 33 million people."

I think they just showed their, "we'll tell you whatever to avoid a panic" hand. There is no vaccine for this and Canada certainly does not have 50 million vaccines, they don't have one publically available vaccine for this.

24KT · « **Reply #58 on:** April 26, 2009, 05:14:19 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on April 26, 2009, 05:00:49 PM

LOL, here's what Canada also said: "Health authorities said they were ready to address the potential spread of the swine flu outbreak and had a stockpile of 50 million vaccine doses, which would be sufficient to serve Canada's population of 33 million people."

I think they just showed their, "we'll tell you whatever to avoid a panic" hand. There is no vaccine for this and Canada certainly does not have 50 million vaccines, they don't have one publically available vaccine for this.

The Health Protection group, was founded in the wake of SARs.
They know the importance of keeping the public from panicking. We went through this before in 2003 remember?

24KT · « **Reply #59 on:** April 26, 2009, 05:17:19 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on April 26, 2009, 03:47:57 PM

HOW IS THIS GOING TO EFFECT THE ECONOMY? perfect storm shit, or engineered storm, depending on what you believe.

Either way, ...it's time to grab an umbrella.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #60 on:** April 26, 2009, 05:22:52 PM »

Quote from: jaguarenterprises on April 26, 2009, 05:14:19 PM

The Health Protection group, was founded in the wake of SARs.
They know the importance of keeping the public from panicking. We went through this before in 2003 remember?

yea I remember, just noting that it's obvious you might not get the truth. Just like here, I've heard several reports that the very young, old and sick are the prime people who need worry when it's exactly the opposite in the cases so far.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #61 on:** April 26, 2009, 05:51:11 PM »

WHAT THE FUCK? This is like Jerico

tonymctones · « **Reply #62 on:** April 26, 2009, 06:11:38 PM »

The world is due for another epidemic of some type of flu, if you guys study how the flu viruses come about and change you would realize that its been a long time since a global widespread pandemic of flu. Its odds really and we havent had a real bad form of flu that is transferable to humans for sometime.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #63 on:** April 26, 2009, 07:05:10 PM »

Holy mother of all meltdowns lol...

SAMSON123 · « **Reply #64 on:** April 26, 2009, 08:11:54 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on April 26, 2009, 07:05:10 PM

Holy mother of all meltdowns lol...

JEEEE-ZUSS...This guy is on a rampage...weird thing is he starts by saying it is the ARABS who created this virus (because they are so clever) so he condemns him, then he turns around and says its the Mexicans fault and he will not patronize andy establishments that have Mexican/Illegal workers.

Maybe I should e-mail him my articles showing this virus is made from good ole america sources like american pigs, american human genes and some european pig genes. Last time I checked the ARABS wouldn't come within a hundred feet of SWINE...so that counts them out for being the culprits.... But good ole american scientist wake up and chew on swine bacon, gobble down HAM sandwhiches for lunch and have pork chops for dinner...so no fear of dealing with swine with them... Michael Savage just needs a CHILL PILL and refocus his attention on the REAL CULPRITS behind all of this...

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #65 on:** April 26, 2009, 08:19:13 PM »

Quote from: SAMSON123 on April 26, 2009, 08:11:54 PM

JEEEE-ZUSS...This guy is on a rampage...weird thing is he starts by saying it is the ARABS who created this virus (because they are so clever) so he condemns him, then he turns around and says its the Mexicans fault and he will not patronize andy establishments that have Mexican/Illegal workers.

Maybe I should e-mail him my articles showing this virus is made from good ole america sources like american pigs, american human genes and some european pig genes. Last time I checked the ARABS wouldn't come within a hundred feet of SWINE...so that counts them out for being the culprits.... But good ole american scientist wake up and chew on swine bacon, gobble down HAM sandwhiches for lunch and have pork chops for dinner...so no fear of dealing with swine with them... Michael Savage just needs a CHILL PILL and refocus his attention on the REAL CULPRITS behind all of this...

he was all over the place which is why I lol'd And his cure was Vitamin C lol... Because it'll increase immune response. But from the post that I stickied, it's a quick immune response that makes it deadly. I don't quite understand why that is beyond what I quoted but lol at Michael Savage, he might be giving advice that's good for the common cold, but will aid in the type of response that hurts with this.

I did read something about cinnamon, something about workers in cinnamon factories not being effected by the Spanish flu. maybe that's worth researching if this thing goes pandemic and starts killing like crazy.

24KT · « **Reply #66 on:** April 26, 2009, 09:05:34 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on April 26, 2009, 08:19:13 PM

he was all over the place which is why I lol'd And his cure was Vitamin C lol... Because it'll increase immune response. But from the post that I stickied, it's a quick immune response that makes it deadly. I don't quite understand why that is beyond what I quoted but lol at Michael Savage, he might be giving advice that's good for the common cold, but will aid in the type of response that hurts with this.

I did read something about cinnamon, something about workers in cinnamon factories not being effected by the Spanish flu. maybe that's worth researching if this thing goes pandemic and starts killing like crazy.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=66976.msg994463#msg994463

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=159800.0

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #67 on:** April 26, 2009, 09:11:43 PM »

Quote from: jaguarenterprises on April 26, 2009, 09:05:34 PM

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=66976.msg994463#msg994463

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=159800.0

good info thanks.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #68 on:** April 26, 2009, 09:17:50 PM »

I'm starting to think this might be just another bullshit scare to get everyone to take their flu shots. I guess this has been going for a while in Mexico so I have to ask, are the number of deaths anything unusual for the flu? The age group affected is for sure, it's opposite the normal flu killing younger people. No telling how many have been infected in Mexico and gotten over it so the number might not be as bad as they're making it sound. I know they love to scare the shit out of people to get everyone lining up for flu shots. My favorite laughable tactic they've used is to announce they're running out of flu shots and they might not have any left after this week, then next week they say we have more so come on down and then next week they say we're running out again, if you don't come down today, you're fucked lol...

We really need to get you your yearly dose of mercury, come on down! Think you're sick, lets you swabbed, we won't catalog your DNA lol...

JBGRAY · « **Reply #69 on:** April 26, 2009, 09:55:42 PM »

For readers of The Stand, here ya go.

Captain Trips.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #70 on:** April 26, 2009, 10:03:41 PM »

Quote from: JBGRAY on April 26, 2009, 09:55:42 PM

For readers of The Stand, here ya go.

Captain Trips.

badass song. loved the movie and book too.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #71 on:** April 27, 2009, 02:14:32 AM »

Suspected swine flu deaths in Mexico top 100

MEXICO CITY – The Mexican government is trying to stem the spread of a deadly strain of swine flu as a new work week begins by urging people to stay home Monday if they have any symptoms of the virus believed to have killed more than 100 people.

Officials have already closed schools in three states and canceled hundreds of public events. But as the number of suspected cases and deaths rose again on Sunday — and millions returning to work on Monday — they looked to other measures to control the outbreak.

Labor Secretary Javier Lozano Alarcon said employers should isolate anyone showing up for work with fever, cough, sore throat or other signs of the flu.

Fear of the disease caused most residents of Mexico's capital to hunker down at home on Sunday. The cardinal said Mass in a shuttered cathedral. Soccer teams played to empty stadiums. A television variety show filled studio-audience seats with cardboard cutouts bearing broad smiles on their faces.

For the first time in 300 years, the cathedral in Mexico City's main plaza pulled an icon of the Lord of Health from storage, and worshippers placed it on the principal altar.

cont... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090427/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_swine_flu_mexico

tonymctones · « **Reply #72 on:** April 27, 2009, 05:58:44 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on April 26, 2009, 09:17:50 PM

I'm starting to think this might be just another bullshit scare to get everyone to take their flu shots. I guess this has been going for a while in Mexico so I have to ask, are the number of deaths anything unusual for the flu? The age group affected is for sure, it's opposite the normal flu killing younger people. No telling how many have been infected in Mexico and gotten over it so the number might not be as bad as they're making it sound. I know they love to scare the shit out of people to get everyone lining up for flu shots. My favorite laughable tactic they've used is to announce they're running out of flu shots and they might not have any left after this week, then next week they say we have more so come on down and then next week they say we're running out again, if you don't come down today, you're fucked lol...

We really need to get you your yearly dose of mercury, come on down! Think you're sick, lets you swabed, we won't catelog your DNA lol...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_influenza_epidemic

jusr different forms of flu the 1918 epidemic targeted younger ppl as well...I gotta agree on the flu shots though i dont think ive had one in years and havent gotten the flu knock on wood but it seemed that everytime i got one before i sure enough got the flu.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #73 on:** April 27, 2009, 06:03:07 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on April 25, 2009, 03:39:07 PM

guys, don't derail this thread. I'm interesting in understanding what's going on, how and why. This is a terrible thread for a pointless pissing match. If you don't have anything to bring that we can all benefit/learn from please save it.

They reported on the news (Radio) this morning that in actuality 145 students went home in Queens, not 8. a girl from the school said she thought the figure of 8 was nonsense since many people were feeling ill and had to go home.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #74 on:** April 27, 2009, 06:13:56 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 27, 2009, 06:03:07 AM

They reported on the news (Radio) this morning that in actuality 145 students went home in Queens, not 8. a girl from the school said she thought the figure of 8 was nonsense since many people were feeling ill and had to go home.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/26/swine.flu.ny/index.html?section=cnn_latest