Milos Sarcev's Ulitmate Radio Seminar this week on OFF TOPIC

[Vince B]

Bodybuilding has always been a partly underground activity re the top men. The risky things various guys have done are downright amazing. Science has abandoned most of the drug testing and experiments with humans. and I wonder if Milos and others are advancing bodybuilding with their experiments and protocols? I have no idea at all about what the professionals are doing and what a pity that so much information is anecdotal. I mean, who do you listen to and how do you assess if the information is valid and valuable? Seems to me this sport has become more dangerous than many believe.

Milos argues that anabolic steroids are safe and a benefit to many people and needed by athletes. Wow, that is quite a statement. He and others believe they need these medications so get prescriptions for them. The reason the drugs became illegal was partly because doctors had no right prescribing them for healthy individuals. Now we are hearing arguments that these banned substances are not really dangerous and are actually beneficial if used properly. I can't say I buy that. If this is what many professionals believe then the sport is doomed because scientists and medical professionals will not accept and endorse the use of drugs to enhance body composition. I have great concerns with any playing around with hormones like insulin. This is not a hormone that should be experimented with. However, what the heck do I know? I think Milos can be given credit for being able to read text books and other literature on physiology. I wonder, though, if he is qualified to actually recommend various drug protocols? That surely should be the province of properly qualified and educated professionals. I worry about the exeriments that are occurring with individuals in some gyms around the world. That is hardly solid science and very little confidence can be placed in the recommendations and findings.

[The Ugly]

Bodybuilding has always been a partly underground activity re the top men. The risky things various guys have done are downright amazing. Science has abandoned most of the drug testing and experiments with humans. and I wonder if Milos and others are advancing bodybuilding with their experiments and protocols? I have no idea at all about what the professionals are doing and what a pity that so much information is anecdotal. I mean, who do you listen to and how do you assess if the information is valid and valuable? Seems to me this sport has become more dangerous than many believe.

Milos argues that anabolic steroids are safe and a benefit to many people and needed by athletes. Wow, that is quite a statement. He and others believe they need these medications so get prescriptions for them. The reason the drugs became illegal was partly because doctors had no right prescribing them for healthy individuals. Now we are hearing arguments that these banned substances are not really dangerous and are actually beneficial if used properly. I can't say I buy that. If this is what many professionals believe then the sport is doomed because scientists and medical professionals will not accept and endorse the use of drugs to enhance body composition. I have great concerns with any playing around with hormones like insulin. This is not a hormone that should be experimented with. However, what the heck do I know? I think Milos can be given credit for being able to read text books and other literature on physiology. I wonder, though, if he is qualified to actually recommend various drug protocols? That surely should be the province of properly qualified and educated professionals. I worry about the exeriments that are occurring with individuals in some gyms around the world. That is hardly solid science and very little confidence can be placed in the recommendations and findings.

Weren't you just singing his praises in the Chick-bashing thread?

[Aaron Singerman]

Bodybuilding has always been a partly underground activity re the top men. The risky things various guys have done are downright amazing. Science has abandoned most of the drug testing and experiments with humans. and I wonder if Milos and others are advancing bodybuilding with their experiments and protocols? I have no idea at all about what the professionals are doing and what a pity that so much information is anecdotal. I mean, who do you listen to and how do you assess if the information is valid and valuable? Seems to me this sport has become more dangerous than many believe.

Milos argues that anabolic steroids are safe and a benefit to many people and needed by athletes. Wow, that is quite a statement. He and others believe they need these medications so get prescriptions for them. The reason the drugs became illegal was partly because doctors had no right prescribing them for healthy individuals. Now we are hearing arguments that these banned substances are not really dangerous and are actually beneficial if used properly. I can't say I buy that. If this is what many professionals believe then the sport is doomed because scientists and medical professionals will not accept and endorse the use of drugs to enhance body composition. I have great concerns with any playing around with hormones like insulin. This is not a hormone that should be experimented with. However, what the heck do I know? I think Milos can be given credit for being able to read text books and other literature on physiology. I wonder, though, if he is qualified to actually recommend various drug protocols? That surely should be the province of properly qualified and educated professionals. I worry about the exeriments that are occurring with individuals in some gyms around the world. That is hardly solid science and very little confidence can be placed in the recommendations and findings.

Here are a few questions... Who is more qualified than Milos? If not he, then who? What makes one a qualified professional? What "qualified professional" would be willing to recommend ANY KIND of drug protocol these days?

[Vince B]

When we are 'playing' around with 'medications' we have to take the consequences. Thus, we should be informed about various drugs, side effects, etc., before commencing any usage. I definitely wouldn't go by what someone says just because they are well read and have lots of information from experimenting. Our bodies are much too precious to risk making any mistakes, as Milos admits to having done.

You see, if what he says is true about professional bodybuilders needing these drugs then I want no part of that professional division. All that chemistry might deliver more gains but at what cost? I haven't seen too many professionals without side effects. This means that the advice they are getting is flawed or they didn't do what they were told. I accept that others are advising the bodybuilders and not only Milos. In any case, it is lunacy to ingest all those medications just to win a title and a trophy. It plainly is not worth the risk, let alone cost. I shake my head when I think of what those professionals have done to their bodies just to compete. Most do not win anything and that is really sad. While I admire large muscles that is qualified by what one has to do to acquire that size. Just because some of those drugs work doesn't mean we should be using them. We need far more knowledge than is available before we can be so cavalier about medications.

I respect Milos's high intelligence and integrity. However, it just seems like his intelligence also rationalizes what he is doing. I am also a gym owner and never recommend medications to bodybuilders. I wouldn't be so foolish as to recommend any medications that are not endorsed by the medical community. Bodybuilding has a bad enough name without our best minds contributing to the shame.

[Method101]

How did Milos get prescriptions for all the drugs he uses?

shows how corrupt the world is, then again, he probably needs the test now since his natural test production is probably the same as a 2 year old girl.

[tbombz]

YOU SHOULD SAY IT IS VERY BAD IDEA THE SAME SECOND YOU SAW IDIOTIC CLAIM THAT HIGH DOSAGE OF EXOGENOUS LONG ACTING INSULIN IS SAFE AND WILL NOT CAUSE HYPERGLUCEMIA...

RIGHT THERE YOU ARE ACCEPTING THE TITLE OF A MORON...Dangerous moron who pretends he knows something when in really knows very minimal about subject that is 100 times more dangerous than ANY ABUSE of steroids you are so concerned about.

out

who are you to call van a moron? van is being nice to you because your a ""celebrity" in bodybuilding world.


i have read yoru writings and thoughts and bodybuilding drugs, training, eating....and guess what, your not a genius yourself.

to be quite honest milos you are a joke, and most ifbb professionals make jokes about you once they come to you for advise. did you see videos of silvio and dj on flexonline makign fun of you and laughing about how you make people throw up??

how come every body that comes to "work with you" leaves and leaves behind your methods?

if anyone is a moron its you. now please go back to pretending that you in an expert....in any feild... 

[Fatpanda]

who are you to call van a moron? van is being nice to you because your a ""celebrity" in bodybuilding world.


i have read yoru writings and thoughts and bodybuilding drugs, training, eating....and guess what, your not a genius yourself.

to be quite honest milos you are a joke, and most ifbb professionals make jokes about you once they come to you for advise. did you see videos of silvio and dj on flexonline makign fun of you and laughing about how you make people throw up??

how come every body that comes to "work with you" leaves and leaves behind your methods?

if anyone is a moron its you. now please go back to pretending that you in an expert....in any feild... 

  candi whats happened to you ?

you argued with me for months saying milos was correct in his hyperpump training.

do you now agree with me ?

[Vince B]

You have to smile at the flotsam on Getbig and in countless gyms around the world. Most start out rather modestly and after a couple of years reach intermediate size and strength. Many abandon bodybuilding but a few plod on. When results stall guys start to wonder if they need gear to get big. Some try steroids and don't get big at all. That must be a letdown. These lads swear it now must be genetics!

You can imagine the same sort of thing happening to the guys who get big. How then to get even bigger they wonder? So they try this and that and when nothing works they consult experts. Now, if those experts have the answer well and good. However, if the gains don't appear they abandon that guru and his ideas and methods. The one thing bodybuilders know is if they are growing. So anything that works gets absorbed and accepted and what doesn't work is rejected and abandoned.

It is no surprise that even true experts are not going to get 100% results with those who come for instruction, advices, and training.

The interesting thing about bodybuilding is that there is no consensus about training methods or just about anything else. Because of the confusion what results is that most methods seem to have the same status. All methods that work have believers and endorsers. Somehow even the experts do not agree about training methods. Probably they disagree more than the rank and file muscleheads. Thus, we find them bashing and laughing at each other.

I don't agree with Milos' training protocols, etc., but I am sure he has disciples who swear it is the best method ever. How are we going to decide which method is superior in such an atmosphere? Clearly, we cannot.

[tbombz]

candi whats happened to you ?

you argued with me for months saying milos was correct in his hyperpump training.

do you now agree with me ?

no, i had argued with you about volume. you were saying low volume high intensity was best, i was saying high volume high intensity was best.

in truth, "best" is whatever you havent been doin lately, whenever progress has stopped.

[The Ugly]

You have to smile at the flotsam on Getbig and in countless gyms around the world. Most start out rather modestly and after a couple of years reach intermediate size and strength. Many abandon bodybuilding but a few plod on. When results stall guys start to wonder if they need gear to get big. Some try steroids and don't get big at all. That must be a letdown. These lads swear it now must be genetics!

You can imagine the same sort of thing happening to the guys who get big. How then to get even bigger they wonder? So they try this and that and when nothing works they consult experts. Now, if those experts have the answer well and good. However, if the gains don't appear they abandon that guru and his ideas and methods. The one thing bodybuilders know is if they are growing. So anything that works gets absorbed and accepted and what doesn't work is rejected and abandoned.

It is no surprise that even true experts are not going to get 100% results with those who come for instruction, advices, and training.

The interesting thing about bodybuilding is that there is no consensus about training methods or just about anything else. Because of the confusion what results is that most methods seem to have the same status. All methods that work have believers and endorsers. Somehow even the experts do not agree about training methods. Probably they disagree more than the rank and file muscleheads. Thus, we find them bashing and laughing at each other.

I don't agree with Milos' training protocols, etc., but I am sure he has disciples who swear it is the best method ever. How are we going to decide which method is superior in such an atmosphere? Clearly, we cannot.

I'll bet your long-winded bullshit has you 86ed from every pub in Oz. That's why you're here, isn't it?

[Fatpanda]

no, i had argued with you about volume. you were saying low volume high intensity was best, i was saying high volume high intensity was best.

in truth, "best" is whatever you havent been doin lately, whenever progress has stopped.

high volume high intensity on gear and peptides etc maybe  

studies still show there is a threshold limit on the amount of intensity and volume where too much reduces gains. (again this is on naturals) the reason i apply it to gear takers too is mentzer/yates/ronnie/dugdale/james/jackson etc who all use a form of hit.

so IMO something is either optimal or suboptimal.

there has to be a unified model for hypertrophy - we just have to find it.

we are prety close though, frequency, intensity %rm, protein, volume etc

[chaos]

who are you to call van a moron? van is being nice to you because your a ""celebrity" in bodybuilding world.


i have read yoru writings and thoughts and bodybuilding drugs, training, eating....and guess what, your not a genius yourself.

to be quite honest milos you are a joke, and most ifbb professionals make jokes about you once they come to you for advise. did you see videos of silvio and dj on flexonline makign fun of you and laughing about how you make people throw up??

how come every body that comes to "work with you" leaves and leaves behind your methods?

if anyone is a moron its you. now please go back to pretending that you in an expert....in any feild... 

LMAO, Milos would pwn you 10 ways from Sunday any day of the week.

hahahahhaaaa

[io856]

You have to smile at the flotsam on Getbig and in countless gyms around the world. Most start out rather modestly and after a couple of years reach intermediate size and strength. Many abandon bodybuilding but a few plod on. When results stall guys start to wonder if they need gear to get big. Some try steroids and don't get big at all.

How would you even know of their steroid usage, Vince Basile?

You better have a good explanation for this or otherwise its just pure speculation on your part.

[Milos_Sarcev]

Bodybuilding has always been a partly underground activity re the top men. The risky things various guys have done are downright amazing. Science has abandoned most of the drug testing and experiments with humans. and I wonder if Milos and others are advancing bodybuilding with their experiments and protocols? I have no idea at all about what the professionals are doing and what a pity that so much information is anecdotal. I mean, who do you listen to and how do you assess if the information is valid and valuable? Seems to me this sport has become more dangerous than many believe.

Milos argues that anabolic steroids are safe and a benefit to many people and needed by athletes. Wow, that is quite a statement. He and others believe they need these medications so get prescriptions for them. The reason the drugs became illegal was partly because doctors had no right prescribing them for healthy individuals. Now we are hearing arguments that these banned substances are not really dangerous and are actually beneficial if used properly. I can't say I buy that. If this is what many professionals believe then the sport is doomed because scientists and medical professionals will not accept and endorse the use of drugs to enhance body composition. I have great concerns with any playing around with hormones like insulin. This is not a hormone that should be experimented with. However, what the heck do I know? I think Milos can be given credit for being able to read text books and other literature on physiology. I wonder, though, if he is qualified to actually recommend various drug protocols? That surely should be the province of properly qualified and educated professionals. I worry about the exeriments that are occurring with individuals in some gyms around the world. That is hardly solid science and very little confidence can be placed in the recommendations and findings.

I have no idea at all about what the professionals are doing and what a pity that so much information is anecdotal.

And because I do have very good idea what the professionals are doing....+ what I did in 20+ years - I am sharing my experiences with ALL OF YOU - with crystal clear realization that many would crucify me instead of appreciating my candidness and priceless information - I am giving - FOR FREE...

So, here on this board when I hear: Fuck you Milos, you fucking liar, you suck...your advice is worth as much as your IFBB pro card...or whatever....I know it means: Fucking Milos knows his stuff and charges too much IFBB pros for his services - so I would just "trick him" into giving as much info by attacking him - as he doesn't respond on "compliments" yet "criticism" always works...

Just to "break it to you" - I would answer ANY QUESTION to anyone - if they come to my seminar...but here on board is simply impossible - as I have JOBS to do...and therefore I could not possibly be engaged in many discussions and threads...But, hopefully some would realize - I need "getbig abuse" as I need hearth attack - yet I still expose myself here to my "true fans"...for their satisfaction...

I mean, who do you listen to and how do you assess if the information is valid and valuable?

Thus - you are spending hours here on board - reading everything available?

Milos argues that anabolic steroids are safe and a benefit to many people and needed by athletes. Wow, that is quite a statement. He and others believe they need these medications so get prescriptions for them. The reason the drugs became illegal was partly because doctors had no right prescribing them for healthy individuals.

Listen to the radio show and pay attention...YES, indeed ANABOLIC STEROIDS ARE SAFE...if used properly.

WATER is deadly if used incorrectly - for a love of God...

But, when you read ANABOLIC - you should translate - "CONSTRUCTIVE METABOLISM"...HHHHAAAALLLLOOOOOOOOO O anyone there?

How is something labeled CONSTRUCTIVE somehow believed or feared to be actually DESTRUCTIVE?

You know - it is NOT AGAINST THE LAW to use your own head and THINK - every ones in a while...and come up with - WOW - logical answers - obvious to everyone with slightest little "nano-brain"...

...scientists and medical professionals will not accept and endorse the use of drugs to enhance body composition.

...yet they will experiment and confirm that ANABOLIC MEDS indeed promote ANABOLISM and as such - enhance body composition - without a shadow of the doubt...
Hmmm, no monetary benefits - no endorsements - doesn't apply here?

[Cleanest Natural]

Just so you know Milos ...there are people around here who appreciate the info you are willingly putting out 4 free I might add

AGAIN...THIS IS RIDICULOUSLY GOOD IN BB TERMS

[Cleanest Natural]

Iused to watch this routine before workouts to get fired up ...over and over again

[tbombz]

hey milos im going to give away yoru advice and do it for free

test e 250mg mon-wed-fri
gh 4iu ed
humalog 20iu pre workout
t3 25mcg ed


BOOOOOOMMMM

now thats what you say in the open, so now i post what you say behind closed doors

test e 250mg ed
gh 10iu ed
humalog 20iu 3x times per day
t3 25mcg ed



now get the fuck out of here with your bullshit, dumbass

[Milos_Sarcev]

who are you to call van a moron? van is being nice to you because your a ""celebrity" in bodybuilding world.


i have read yoru writings and thoughts and bodybuilding drugs, training, eating....and guess what, your not a genius yourself.

to be quite honest milos you are a joke, and most ifbb professionals make jokes about you once they come to you for advise. did you see videos of silvio and dj on flexonline makign fun of you and laughing about how you make people throw up??

how come every body that comes to "work with you" leaves and leaves behind your methods?

if anyone is a moron its you. now please go back to pretending that you in an expert....in any feild... 

I am someone who realizes that MORON posting here on this board, giving MORONIC and deadly advice - should be called MORON - as that usually gets attention...don't you think?

So, for every IDIOT who comes here and posts under gh, t-bomb...etc..."stage name" like some stripper hiding true identity - calling out people - yet hiding inside cyber protection - I have special names...

Now, to be quite honest to you t-boobz - I didn't see any videos about dj or silvio...making fun of....what?
Oh, I make people throw up?

Hmmmm, indeed I do that quite often T-bimbo...you know why?
I heard that one must give ALL OUT EFFORT to stimulate MAXIMAL CHANGE - producing greatest results...and in training I manage somehow to be "joke of the day" using some pink dumbbells (that for sure would be color coordinated with your outfit at the moment) - yet make people like silvio and dj THROW UP during the training...

Oh well, no time to check it out - but I would appreciate if you cold post the link...After all I would like to see some of my athletes - I used to train...when I did have a time...and somehow both mentioned were - very interested in what I had to say at some point of their career...I understand - they are laughing at - fools that train with me and throw up...could easily train differently and avoid ever puking...or improving...


     

[Boost]

hey milos im going to give away yoru advice and do it for free

test e 250mg mon-wed-fri
gh 4iu ed
humalog 20iu pre workout
t3 25mcg ed


BOOOOOOMMMM

now thats what you say in the open, so now i post what you say behind closed doors

test e 250mg ed
gh 10iu ed
humalog 20iu 3x times per day
t3 25mcg ed



now get the fuck out of here with your bullshit, dumbass

[tbombz]

I am someone who realizes that MORON posting here on this board, giving MORONIC and deadly advice - should be called MORON - as that usually gets attention...don't you think?

So, for every IDIOT who comes here and posts under gh, t-bomb...etc..."stage name" like some stripper hiding true identity - calling out people - yet hiding inside cyber protection - I have special names...

Now, to be quite honest to you t-boobz - I didn't see any videos about dj or silvio...making fun of....what?
Oh, I make people throw up?

Hmmmm, indeed I do that quite often T-bimbo...you know why?
I heard that one must give ALL OUT EFFORT to stimulate MAXIMAL CHANGE - producing greatest results...and in training I manage somehow to be "joke of the day" using some pink dumbbells (that for sure would be color coordinated with your outfit at the moment) - yet make people like silvio and dj THROW UP during the training...

Oh well, no time to check it out - but I would appreciate if you cold post the link...After all I would like to see some of my athletes - I used to train...when I did have a time...and somehow both mentioned were - very interested in what I had to say at some point of their career...I understand - they are laughing at - fools that train with me and throw up...could easily train differently and avoid ever puking...or improving...


     

lmao dude, your a fucking clown,  not because they were training hard. your "giant sets" wouldnt make anybody throw up, not unless they felt sick beause of the pre workout slin.  they were making fun of your dumbass for the massive carb loads that made them sick.  its on flexonline a dj interview with silvio samuel. http://www.flexonline.com/videos/91   watch at 14:30.

[Milos_Sarcev]

hey milos im going to give away yoru advice and do it for free

test e 250mg mon-wed-fri
gh 4iu ed
humalog 20iu pre workout
t3 25mcg ed


BOOOOOOMMMM

now thats what you say in the open, so now i post what you say behind closed doors

test e 250mg ed
gh 10iu ed
humalog 20iu 3x times per day
t3 25mcg ed



now get the fuck out of here with your bullshit, dumbass

Dumbass

You need little spanking - so please - come see me in my gym - I am there everyday from 11 - 8...

Just mention the T-boobs at the front desk and I would come see you instantly...

It would be my personal pleasure seeing my cyber hero "big balled boob man"...

I can hardly wait to hear: "now get the fuck out of here with your bullshit, dumbass" in person - facing me...

I will even have camera and microphone ready - to post it right here - for my getbig fans/friends/enemies...to see it...

But, somehow I think you would be lost for words...as REAL LIFE is quite different than CYBER...

I want to see you "my super hero" T-BOOBZ talking smack - when you face - "possible consequences of your irresponsible behavior and language"...

Want to make an appointment?

[tbombz]

Dumbass

You need little spanking - so please - come see me in my gym - I am there everyday from 11 - 8...

Just mention the T-boobs at the front desk and I would come see you instantly...

It would be my personal pleasure seeing my cyber hero "big balled boob man"...

I can hardly wait to hear: "now get the fuck out of here with your bullshit, dumbass" in person - facing me...

I will even have camera and microphone ready - to post it right here - for my getbig fans/friends/enemies...to see it...

But, somehow I think you would be lost for words...as REAL LIFE is quite different than CYBER...

I want to see you "my super hero" T-BOOBZ talking smack - when you face - "possible consequences of your irresponsible behavior and language"...

Want to make an appointment?

if you want to make threats like that, come meet me. im not going to drive all the way to so cal to come call you a dumbass and then drive back. manteca, california. its about 6 hours north of you.   

[Boost]

Lets see... who should we trust......

Milos Sarcev




Or....... this guy  

You can't assess Bombz pyhsique in all that thick clothing

He could be carrying a lot of conditioned size with some freaky bodyparts

[bigbobs]

All top 10 Mr. Olympia competitors take about 2000-2500 mg of test per week alone.  HTH.

[Cleanest Natural]

All top 10 Mr. Olympia competitors take about 2000-2500 mg of test per week alone.  HTH.

agreed