Mike Francois 235lb vs Jay Cutler 265lb

[Sherief Shalaby]

obviously I was talking about the 94 NOC , Mike was way off in 1995

mike was great, really great but he was never considered as one of the very top.. may be he had a better body than someone like dillet but unfortunately he never showed his best at any olympia..

[NarcissisticDeity]

mike was great, really great but he was never considered as one of the very top.. may be he had a better body than someone like dillet but unfortunately he never showed his best at any olympia..

Who said he wasn't considered one of the very top? you? he turned pro in 1994 and won his first 4 pro contests beating some very well seasoned pros including Nasser at the 1994 NOC and Flex in 1995 that speaks volumes , unfortunately he got sick but he had a load of potential

[kiwiol]

I don't sorry , here's a few more

No worries and I agree with you - he could have been Mr Olympia cause he had no weak points and in the 95 Mr O, everyone expected him to make top 3 after his AC showing that year.

Too bad he fell sick before he made a training video - would have been great to see him do some of his best lifts on his own video.

[NarcissisticDeity]

No worries and I agree with you - he could have been Mr Olympia cause he had no weak points and in the 95 Mr O, everyone expected him to make top 3 after his AC showing that year.

Too bad he fell sick before he made a training video - would have been great to see him do some of his best lifts on his own video.

He was strong as fuck too , had a powerlifting back round

[NarcissisticDeity]

 

[clued-up]

incredible...

[Sherief Shalaby]

Who said he wasn't considered one of the very top? you? he turned pro in 1994 and won his first 4 pro contests beating some very well seasoned pros including Nasser at the 1994 NOC and Flex in 1995 that speaks volumes , unfortunately he got sick but he had a load of potential

in NOC 94 he didn't deserve to beat nasser.. in 95 AC he beat flex who was just back from his injuries after his serious car accident!!.. after this he always came after the big guys.. he never showed his AC 95 shape again i belive.. he never beat guys like levrone or ray or even dillet (he only beat an off kevin at AC 97).. so he was not considered one of the ''very'' best in his era

[NarcissisticDeity]

in NOC 94 he didn't deserve to beat nasser.. in 95 AC he beat flex who was just back from his injuries after his serious car accident!!.. after this he always came after the big guys.. he never showed his AC 95 shape again i belive.. he never beat guys like levrone or ray or even dillet (he only beat an off kevin at AC 97).. so he was not considered one of the ''very'' best in his era

A common theme when Nasser loses , " he shouldn't have beaten Nasser " judges decided who was better and a lot of times it wasn't Nasser that's the cold hard facts deal with them.

Mike could only beat who showed up onstage , regardless of their circumstances and the judges decided he was better than Nasser and Flex that's reality

[Mr Nobody]

in NOC 94 he didn't deserve to beat nasser.. in 95 AC he beat flex who was just back from his injuries after his serious car accident!!.. after this he always came after the big guys.. he never showed his AC 95 shape again i belive.. he never beat guys like levrone or ray or even dillet (he only beat an off kevin at AC 97).. so he was not considered one of the ''very'' best in his era

ANy comments from Team Nasser?

[Sherief Shalaby]

A common theme when Nasser loses , " he shouldn't have beaten Nasser " judges decided who was better and a lot of times it wasn't Nasser that's the cold hard facts deal with them.

Mike could only beat who showed up onstage , regardless of their circumstances and the judges decided he was better than Nasser and Flex that's reality

i mean that you can't consider mike one of the "very" top in the 90s because before his name you have to always mention other 5-6 names!!.. may be he had the genetics to be one of the best but his bad luck (his illness or whatever) prevented him from achieving what he could!!

[NarcissisticDeity]

i mean that you can't consider mike one of the "very" top in the 90s because before his name you have to always mention other 5-6 names!!.. may be he had the genetics to be one of the best but his bad luck (his illness or whatever) prevented him from achieving what he could!!

He wasn't one of the best of the 1990s but he was on his way , the guy was on a tear he won his first 4 pro shows , how many others can say that? how many? Flex Wheeler and Phil Heath ?? that's great company

he had loads of potential which was cut short he beat a LOT of seasoned pros of the 1990s including Flex and Nasser , Labrada , Munzer , etc , etc

[BayGBM]

mike was great, really great but he was never considered as one of the very top.. may be he had a better body than someone like dillet but unfortunately he never showed his best at any olympia..

Huh?  Mike was the golden boy of his era.  If he wasn't derailed by illness I'm sure he would have won the O. Yes, he is somewhat blocky but no more so than Jay.  We never got to see him peak but at their respective bests I would put him ahead of Jay.  He also had a great personal history profile--something this sport needs more of.

[Sherief Shalaby]

He wasn't one of the best of the 1990s but he was on his way , the guy was on a tear he won his first 4 pro shows , how many others can say that? how many? Flex Wheeler and Phil Heath ?? that's great company

he had loads of potential which was cut short he beat a LOT of seasoned pros of the 1990s including Flex (after his accident) and Nasser (unfairly), Labrada (in his last show when he was already finished), Munzer (a 2nd level pro.), etc , etc

fixed!..

[NarcissisticDeity]

fixed!..

Spare me the ' unfairly ' you're not a judge , you obviously don't even know how contests work how can you say he won unfairly YOU can't you're solely basing in on personal preference and that's not how contests are judged

you can't only deny the facts and the facts are Mike beat Nasser fairly , Mike had a load of potential won his first 4 shows something Nasser couldn't do 

[The_Punisher]

did mike fell the same way Flex wheeler and Don Long did?

[BayGBM]

He was 5'9" right?

[kiwiol]

Spare me the ' unfairly ' you're not a judge , you obviously don't even know how contests work how can you say he won unfairly YOU can't you're solely basing in on personal preference and that's not how contests are judged

you can't only deny the facts and the facts are Mike beat Nasser fairly , Mike had a load of potential won his first 4 shows something Nasser couldn't do 

Funny thing is, everyone would have said the same or less of Ronnie if he'd stopped competing after the 96 Olympia. But he broke new grounds with his physique and went all the way to the top. Mike was nowhere near his limit when he won the 95 AC and he wasn't very old either. Plus he had Dorian-esque work ethics and it was his back that mainly made everyone feel he'd be the next big thing. I think he could have hung in there with Nasser (like he did in the 96 AC, where he was better than he was the previous year and looked insane at 260 lb) and beaten him again if he'd stuck with improving.

But his illness started around mid 96 and it went downhill for him from then on. He'd have given Ronnie a run for his money and maybe even changed history if he'd continued improving and competed in the 98 Mr Olympia.

[johnnynoname]

i always liked mike and i always thought that he had the coolest last name in bb'ing

him and jean pierre fux

[Sherief Shalaby]

Spare me the ' unfairly ' you're not a judge , you obviously don't even know how contests work how can you say he won unfairly YOU can't you're solely basing in on personal preference and that's not how contests are judged

you can't only deny the facts and the facts are Mike beat Nasser fairly , Mike had a load of potential won his first 4 shows something Nasser couldn't do 

We continue with 18 new black and white photos of the 1994 Night of Champions. Mike Francois won the show with Nasser El Sonbaty in second. (Everbody in the industry knew that Nasser should have won, but he was a newcomer and for some reason he was placed in second. Nasser won the show in 95). New York is not a very good location for IFBB judging. Many of the worst judging calls in the history of the sport were made in the big apple. Strange..

i believe mucletime didnt write this because they are from team nasser!!.. they just stated a fact from the time of the contest!!

[Sherief Shalaby]

Funny thing is, everyone would have said the same or less of Ronnie if he'd stopped competing after the 96 Olympia. But he broke new grounds with his physique and went all the way to the top. Mike was nowhere near his limit when he won the 95 AC and he wasn't very old either. Plus he had Dorian-esque work ethics and it was his back that mainly made everyone feel he'd be the next big thing. I think he could have hung in there with Nasser (like he did in the 96 AC, where he was better than he was the previous year and looked insane at 260 lb) and beaten him again if he'd stuck with improving.

But his illness started around mid 96 and it went downhill for him from then on. He'd have given Ronnie a run for his money and maybe even changed history if he'd continued improving and competed in the 98 Mr Olympia.

i couldn't count all the "if"s in this post

[kiwiol]

i couldn't count all the "if"s in this post

Agree, lmao. I was just making a point about how he was far from having reached his peak by the time he got sick.

And your "Everbody in the  industry knew that Nasser should have won" statement is pure hogwash, cause most people didn't contest Mike winning the 94 NOC. For all the people that wanted Nasser to win that contest, there were just as many that had no problem with Mike winning it. Same as the case of the 97 Mr Olympia, where the opinion is divided between Dorian's win and Nasser's placing.

[Sherief Shalaby]

Agree, lmao. I was just making a point about how he was far from having reached his peak by the time he got sick.

And your "Everbody in the  industry knew that Nasser should have won" statement is pure hogwash, cause most people didn't contest Mike winning the 94 NOC. For all the people that wanted Nasser to win that contest, there were just as many that had no problem with Mike winning it. Same as the case of the 97 Mr Olympia, where the opinion is divided between Dorian's win and Nasser's placing.

i already said that mike's potential and genetics were better than what he achieved!!..

no need to post the same old comparisons pics of noc 94 or mr. o. 97 but really any one who knows some shit in this sport knows well that nasser should have won these 2 shows!!..

[Fatpanda]

yes mike was good, ... but to a certain limit!!

mike does look good in some of the pics posted but nasser blows him away in those shots.

but then nasser is a legend 

[Sherief Shalaby]

mike does look good in some of the pics posted but nasser blows him away in those shots.

but then nasser is a legend 

as i was just saying any one who knows what bodybuilding is knows well that nasser should have beat mike in 94.. and now it's not any one, it's the great FP himself!!

[Fatpanda]

 

what happened to him ? was it health problems ?