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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2009, 01:57:21 PM »
Keep in mind he had garbage WRs and still made the Pro Bowl three times, the playoffs, and the NFC Championship game.  If winning is the bottom line, I think his record is pretty good, when you factor in his supporting cast.   

True about the WR's but I don't think he ever gave his guys much of a chance. There have been countless times when the pocket would collapse and he would scramble to his left. As defenses would close in on him he would pass up numerous opportunities to throw to his open WR's for a big gain before running past the line of scrimmage. Instead he would take off and run almost every time. He lacks the skills and IQ to improvise on the fly. Now he's an older player and two years removed from football. He won't be able to get away with playing that style any longer.

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2009, 02:04:33 PM »
True about the WR's but I don't think he ever gave his guys much of a chance. There have been countless times when the pocket would collapse and he would scramble to his left. As defenses would close in on him he would pass up numerous opportunities to throw to his open WR's for a big gain before running past the line of scrimmage. Instead he would take off and run almost every time. He lacks the skills and IQ to improvise on the fly. Now he's an older player and two years removed from football. He won't be able to get away with playing that style any longer.

Isn't it possible he took off so much because his WRs couldn't get open? 

I really like the way Reeves used Vick.  Had a number of controlled roll outs and designed run plays. 

Vick really is different.  I doubt we'll ever see another QB pass for 170 yards and run for 170 in the same game.  That's just off the chain.  He just needs to be in the right system with someone who knows how to use him.   

I do agree the rust could really hurt him, but he's not too old.  Depends on how hard he trains.  Did you see the Willie Gault article I posted the other day?  Certainly possible for an athlete to maintain his speed in his 30s.  I know Gault didn't lose two years in prison, but he's in his late 40s and still faster than almost everyone in the NFL. 

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2009, 02:10:23 PM »
He should be reinstated simple as that.  Leon Little killed a women in a drunk driving accident and yet there is no out rage over the fact he paid his debt to society and moved on with his life.

What do you expect Vick to do? What's done is done and can't be taken back.  He's done what the legal system has asked of him and now he is a free man.

I'm looking forward to his return i think he'll still be an exciting player perhaps not on the physical level he once was speed wise, but he'll be a solid addition to the team that picks him up.   
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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2009, 02:24:28 PM »
Isn't it possible he took off so much because his WRs couldn't get open? 

I really like the way Reeves used Vick.  Had a number of controlled roll outs and designed run plays. 

Vick really is different.  I doubt we'll ever see another QB pass for 170 yards and run for 170 in the same game.  That's just off the chain.  He just needs to be in the right system with someone who knows how to use him.   

I do agree the rust could really hurt him, but he's not too old.  Depends on how hard he trains.  Did you see the Willie Gault article I posted the other day?  Certainly possible for an athlete to maintain his speed in his 30s.  I know Gault didn't lose two years in prison, but he's in his late 40s and still faster than almost everyone in the NFL. 


That's a negative, ghostrider.....Guys like Heyward-Bey out of Maryland would leave him in the dust in a 100 meter dash. You can't be serious. A guy that old will not be able to stay with NFL players at the skill positions in a foot race. Ain't buying that, dude....

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2009, 02:35:34 PM »
That's a negative, ghostrider.....Guys like Heyward-Bey out of Maryland would leave him in the dust in a 100 meter dash. You can't be serious. A guy that old will not be able to stay with NFL players at the skill positions in a foot race. Ain't buying that, dude....

Don't shoot the messenger.  I just posted the story.  If it's true, he's faster than pretty much every player at this year's combine, and almost every player in the NFL:

Compare that to Gault, who can still crack 10 seconds in the 100-yard dash, and last year ran the 40 in a blistering 4.27. Age-grading track and field tables suggest that his recent 10.80 for the 100 meters at 48 is the equivalent of 9.76 by a man in his 20s – only a step behind Usain Bolt, and fast enough for a silver medal at the Bejing Olympics.

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2009, 02:39:09 PM »
Don't shoot the messenger.  I just posted the story.  If it's true, he's faster than pretty much every player at this year's combine, and almost every player in the NFL:

Compare that to Gault, who can still crack 10 seconds in the 100-yard dash, and last year ran the 40 in a blistering 4.27. Age-grading track and field tables suggest that his recent 10.80 for the 100 meters at 48 is the equivalent of 9.76 by a man in his 20s – only a step behind Usain Bolt, and fast enough for a silver medal at the Bejing Olympics.

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2009, 02:44:18 PM »
don't buy it for a second, bro..sorry

I don't have any reason to doubt it.  Why would they just make this up?  You think they invented his participation in the Mt. SAC Relays in Southern California?  (You should read the whole story.)

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2009, 02:51:44 PM »
I don't have any reason to doubt it.  Why would they just make this up?  You think they invented his participation in the Mt. SAC Relays in Southern California?  (You should read the whole story.)

I just don't buy that Gault can keep up with an elite NFL cornerback in his prime, in a foot race. No way, no how. I think those times are complete bullshit, especially in the 40 yard dash.

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2009, 03:12:37 PM »
He should be reinstated simple as that.  Leon Little killed a women in a drunk driving accident and yet there is no out rage over the fact he paid his debt to society and moved on with his life.

What do you expect Vick to do? What's done is done and can't be taken back.  He's done what the legal system has asked of him and now he is a free man.

I'm looking forward to his return i think he'll still be an exciting player perhaps not on the physical level he once was speed wise, but he'll be a solid addition to the team that picks him up.   

Leonard Little got another DWI after that as well and nothing happened.  Great football player....even better attorneys.

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2009, 12:08:58 AM »
he's a piece of shit that will never be forgiven

this is a nation of dog lovers, many people value a dog's life over a human

any team that signs him is admitting that they don't have a clue how to run an nfl franchise

i wouldn't take him on my team even if signing him GUARANTEED another super bowl

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2009, 12:21:32 AM »
Keep in mind he had garbage WRs and still made the Pro Bowl three times, the playoffs, and the NFC Championship game.  If winning is the bottom line, I think his record is pretty good, when you factor in his supporting cast.   

Bum's certainly not known for good judgement, this is yet another example. Vick was nothing, regardless of the accolades.

He'll be meeting with the comissioner, who is no dummy. If he doesn't convince him that he's truly remorseful he's not getting back in.

As far as bum's claim that he's done the time, that's the obvious part that entirely ignores the fact that the public is not going to forgive or forget.

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2009, 08:13:35 AM »
Vick was a lot of flash with very little substance as an NFL QB.  Great for the occasional sports center highlight, but nothing more. 

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2009, 08:18:13 AM »
he's a piece of shit that will never be forgiven

this is a nation of dog lovers, many people value a dog's life over a human

any team that signs him is admitting that they don't have a clue how to run an nfl franchise

i wouldn't take him on my team even if signing him GUARANTEED another super bowl

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I agree, the backlash will be incredible. Goodell doesn't fawk around with these guys anymore, although i think he will reinstate him. He won't be worth the headache IMO. Even if he truly is sorry and has paid his debt to society people still hate him.

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2009, 11:57:34 AM »
He should be reinstated simple as that.  Leonard Little killed a women in a drunk driving accident and yet there is no out rage over the fact he paid his debt to society and moved on with his life.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/thenetwork/news/2000/01/27/cnnsicomprofile_little/

Vehicular homicide while driving under the influence of alcohol is a white boy crime, which is why no one said shit about Little. 

Dogfighting is a black/Latino crime, which is why America wants Vick's balls on a platter.

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2009, 12:58:08 PM »
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/thenetwork/news/2000/01/27/cnnsicomprofile_little/

Vehicular homicide while driving under the influence of alcohol is a white boy crime, which is why no one said shit about Little. 

Dogfighting is a black/Latino crime, which is why America wants Vick's balls on a platter.


No, as mentioned, we live in a nation of dog lovers.  Dog's bring people joy, while other humans often cause them pain.  First, Vick did more than fight dogs.  He tortured and killed them for fun.  Second, people love their pets and when they think of what Vick did to Fido and how sick and twisted you have to be to get joy out of killing defenseless animals, they got upset and they wont forget.

The American people just elected a black man president, cut the shit.  Btw, there are plenty of white people who fight pits.

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2009, 01:07:43 PM »
I'm so sick of people making this about race. If Phillip Rivers was caught doing the same thing, the reaction would be the same.The racism well is really running dry.

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2009, 01:09:55 PM »
I'm so sick of people making this about race. If Phillip Rivers was caught doing the same thing, the reaction would be the same.The racism well is really running dry.

Agreed.....shut up, get a fucking job and stop making excuses.  Obama did it, so can't you.

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2009, 01:16:31 PM »
If he wasn't famous and commited the same horrible crimes, nobody would be defending him.

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2009, 01:41:22 PM »
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/thenetwork/news/2000/01/27/cnnsicomprofile_little/

Vehicular homicide while driving under the influence of alcohol is a white boy crime, which is why no one said shit about Little. 

Dogfighting is a black/Latino crime, which is why America wants Vick's balls on a platter.


oh brother ::) is dog fighting a part of your culture like whoopi goldberg said "tre"

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2009, 01:43:58 PM »
He has paid his debt to society.   

QFT.

All the sensitive dog humping animal worshiping is sickening. It's a fucking dog, get over it.
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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2009, 01:48:25 PM »
QFT.

All the sensitive dog humping animal worshiping is sickening. It's a fucking dog, get over it.

if you can't care about a dog, you are a sad heartless human being

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2009, 02:06:17 PM »
QFT.

All the sensitive dog humping animal worshiping is sickening. It's a fucking dog, get over it.

You think it's ok for a NFL player to smash in puppies skulls for fun? To throw family pets in the ring with fighting dogs for a laugh?  How about hanging dogs that didn't want to fight?  The issue is over your head.  It's about a human....a human that makes millions of dollars to play a game, torturing and murdering innocent creatures for fun.  That's not how you act if you are a contributing member of society.

What do you do for a living? 

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2009, 04:09:09 PM »
QFT.

All the sensitive dog humping animal worshiping is sickening. It's a fucking dog, get over it.

He tortured dogs by attaching wires to them and electrocuting them, picking them up and slamming them on the ground repeatedly, holding them under water, placed them on treadmills for up to 45 minutes at a time all while keeping them hungry to increase aggression. btw that statement of yours speaks volumes of you. in my opinion society can be judged on how they treat their children, elders and animals...

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2009, 04:16:38 PM »
QFT.

All the sensitive dog humping animal worshiping is sickening. It's a fucking dog, get over it.

You're a sick monkey homo piece of dog shit....

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Re: So now that Vick is out......
« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2009, 04:44:06 PM »
the more i read these posts, the more i hate vick

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