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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #100 on: May 22, 2009, 12:36:52 PM »
I think that was an episode of 24, not real life.

no terrorist plot has been foiled by information gleaned from waterboarding



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CNSNews.com) - The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.
 
Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks on the United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators, “Soon, you will know.”
 
According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.”
 
KSM was the mastermind of the first “hijacked-airliner” attacks on the United States, which struck the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Northern Virginia on Sept. 11, 2001.
 
After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially cooperative with CIA interrogators.  Nor was another top al Qaeda leader named Zubaydah.  KSM, Zubaydah, and a third terrorist named Nashiri were the only three persons ever subjected to waterboarding by the CIA. (Additional terrorist detainees were subjected to other “enhanced techniques” that included slapping, sleep deprivation, dietary limitations, and temporary confinement to small spaces -- but not to water-boarding.)

This was because the CIA imposed very tight restrictions on the use of waterboarding. “The ‘waterboard,’ which is the most intense of the CIA interrogation techniques, is subject to additional limits,” explained the May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo. “It may be used on a High Value Detainee only if the CIA has ‘credible intelligence that a terrorist attack is imminent’; ‘substantial and credible indicators that the subject has actionable intelligence that can prevent, disrupt or deny this attack’; and ‘
  • ther interrogation methods have failed to elicit this information within the perceived time limit for preventing the attack.’”

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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #101 on: May 22, 2009, 12:42:46 PM »


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CNSNews.com) - The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.
 
Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks on the United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators, “Soon, you will know.”
 
According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.”
 
KSM was the mastermind of the first “hijacked-airliner” attacks on the United States, which struck the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Northern Virginia on Sept. 11, 2001.
 
After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially cooperative with CIA interrogators.  Nor was another top al Qaeda leader named Zubaydah.  KSM, Zubaydah, and a third terrorist named Nashiri were the only three persons ever subjected to waterboarding by the CIA. (Additional terrorist detainees were subjected to other “enhanced techniques” that included slapping, sleep deprivation, dietary limitations, and temporary confinement to small spaces -- but not to water-boarding.)

This was because the CIA imposed very tight restrictions on the use of waterboarding. “The ‘waterboard,’ which is the most intense of the CIA interrogation techniques, is subject to additional limits,” explained the May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo. “It may be used on a High Value Detainee only if the CIA has ‘credible intelligence that a terrorist attack is imminent’; ‘substantial and credible indicators that the subject has actionable intelligence that can prevent, disrupt or deny this attack’; and ‘
  • ther interrogation methods have failed to elicit this information within the perceived time limit for preventing the attack.’”
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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #102 on: May 22, 2009, 12:44:00 PM »
One of my closet friends did SERE training. We'll be talking this weekend so I'll ask about the waterboarding.

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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #103 on: May 22, 2009, 12:45:39 PM »
One of my closet friends did SERE training. We'll be talking this weekend so I'll ask about the waterboarding.

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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #104 on: May 22, 2009, 12:49:57 PM »

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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #105 on: May 22, 2009, 12:50:14 PM »
I fail to see why that matters. My dad played D1 football so i guess they're fine and my family is very long lived.
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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #106 on: May 22, 2009, 12:54:42 PM »
Still following me around?  ???

Not surprising that you're too stupid to see the whole point of this thread.

You take this place too seriously.



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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #107 on: May 22, 2009, 12:55:54 PM »
It can't be any worse than all those torture chambers and documented instances of Muslim torture. Perhaps I'm wrong, though.

Maybe simulated drowning is as bad as being electrocuted or having body parts amputated by swords?  ???

Those SEALs (who are subjected to it multiple times) must be some bad doooooods!
yea, it can't be worse than the Inquisition style shit or being slowly boiled alive.  Countless tortures are no doubt worse, what's your point?  Also, did seals sign on to have it done several times a day, day after day after day?

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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #108 on: May 22, 2009, 12:56:52 PM »
Yes.

In what sense? Long muscle bellies? Good structure? Good Growth response?
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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #109 on: May 22, 2009, 01:02:20 PM »
In what sense? Long muscle bellies? Good structure? Good Growth response?

Tall, good response to working out, fast metabolism, decent structure and also healthy with no health issues. Not being redundant but no health issues means no conditions, medications, doctor visits, etc...

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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #110 on: May 22, 2009, 01:05:18 PM »
Decide is very jealous for some reason of people who respond to weight training. Just juice and get it over with.
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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #111 on: May 22, 2009, 01:09:21 PM »
Decide is very jealous for some reason of people who respond to weight training. Just juice and get it over with.

HH6 is juicing a common practice in today's military? I mean if you have the ability to be stronger than your enemy wouldn't it make sense to be so? Especially if you were still able to complete your other duties fitness wise.
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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #112 on: May 22, 2009, 01:14:40 PM »
Decide is very jealous for some reason of people who respond to weight training. Just juice and get it over with.

Even if I were to juice, there is no guarantee I would be a genetically gifted hormone responder. Moreover juicing is a serious decision for which you need the right circumstances, which I don't have.
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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #113 on: May 22, 2009, 01:17:46 PM »
Tall, good response to working out, fast metabolism, decent structure and also healthy with no health issues. Not being redundant but no health issues means no conditions, medications, doctor visits, etc...

That's great. :)

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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #114 on: May 22, 2009, 01:20:21 PM »
Makes sense right. I had this exact conversation with one of my soldiers on wednesday. I would be juiced or HGH'd out of my mind if I could...

Moderate doses of HGH seem to work great....guys would burn fat on MD moderated juice or HGH. Some guys do juice. I honestly thought I'd see more bigger guys here at the mil gyms on Bliss. The only mass use of steroids is by the SEALS as far as what I've seen. Those guys are always bigger...good for them.

Decide..what u need, is to have hit ur genetic potential first. U have to lift hard, eat and rest. If u can't do that, then I guess ur righjt. I'm 5'10ish and run between 220-230. I'm 212 now because of diet and more cardio then I care to do. I'm more comfortable at 220 given my job etc. But I'm gearing up for deployment and want to be able to do more running, rucking etc during train-up. I'll get back to normal in the fall. I'd juice if I could without question, but its against the law.
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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #115 on: May 22, 2009, 01:23:20 PM »
Makes sense right. I had this exact conversation with one of my soldiers on wednesday. I would be juiced or HGH'd out of my mind if I could...

Moderate doses of HGH seem to work great....guys would burn fat on MD moderated juice or HGH. Some guys do juice. I honestly thought I'd see more bigger guys here at the mil gyms on Bliss. The only mass use of steroids is by the SEALS as far as what I've seen. Those guys are always bigger...good for them.

Decide..what u need, is to have hit ur genetic potential first. U have to lift hard, eat and rest. If u can't do that, then I guess ur righjt. I'm 5'10ish and run between 220-230. I'm 212 now because of diet and more cardio then I care to do. I'm more comfortable at 220 given my job etc. But I'm gearing up for deployment and want to be able to do more running, rucking etc during train-up. I'll get back to normal in the fall. I'd juice if I could without question, but its against the law.

If the SEALS are on it then testing can't be too strict can it? You could probably get away with it. 
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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #116 on: May 22, 2009, 01:26:03 PM »
Makes sense right. I had this exact conversation with one of my soldiers on wednesday. I would be juiced or HGH'd out of my mind if I could...

Moderate doses of HGH seem to work great....guys would burn fat on MD moderated juice or HGH. Some guys do juice. I honestly thought I'd see more bigger guys here at the mil gyms on Bliss. The only mass use of steroids is by the SEALS as far as what I've seen. Those guys are always bigger...good for them.

Decide..what u need, is to have hit ur genetic potential first. U have to lift hard, eat and rest. If u can't do that, then I guess ur righjt. I'm 5'10ish and run between 220-230. I'm 212 now because of diet and more cardio then I care to do. I'm more comfortable at 220 given my job etc. But I'm gearing up for deployment and want to be able to do more running, rucking etc during train-up. I'll get back to normal in the fall. I'd juice if I could without question, but its against the law.

I have no problem with juicing but as I said, I would want to do it for at least half a year on mild doses of test with all the right medication to get everything back to normal when I stop under stable circumstances.
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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #117 on: May 22, 2009, 01:27:27 PM »
If the SEALS are on it then testing can't be too strict can it? You could probably get away with it. 

Its not official SEAL policy..but generally SOF guys aren't monsters. They wink and nudge I'm sure. Keep it low etc.
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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #118 on: May 22, 2009, 01:42:55 PM »
Anyway......

CNSNews.com) - The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/66895.html

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/23/723640/-The-torture-prevented-a-west-coast-9-11-lie

the plot was foiled in 2002, KSM was arrested in 2003

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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #119 on: May 22, 2009, 01:45:27 PM »
Yeah and other CIA memo's say that it worked...The Daily KOS is not a worthwhile source.
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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #120 on: May 22, 2009, 01:45:55 PM »
Hi Dracula!!!! Look what I stumbled across the other day when we were arguing. Serious question, though. Are you retarded or do you just act it?

You just can't stay away can you? Even after I decimated that pic of your 130 steroid abusing disaster of a physique. Get off my nuts, dude.






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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #121 on: May 22, 2009, 01:46:54 PM »
Yeah and other CIA memo's say that it worked...The Daily KOS is not a worthwhile source.

says the guy who references cnsnews.com

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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #122 on: May 22, 2009, 01:48:33 PM »
Yeah and other CIA memo's say that it worked...The Daily KOS is not a worthwhile source.

I'm not arguing that torture doesn't work in some cases. I'm wondering if torture itself is appropriate in a democracy and at what point will we have US citizens being legally tortured.

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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #123 on: May 22, 2009, 01:49:26 PM »
pot ..kettle..heehaw! dont worry...everytime i see a post made by you...i remember your face and i start giggling



Hi Dracula. Remember when you tried to "own" me by posting this shiteous picture the other day? You just can't stay away. It must really suck being so scarred on a forum that you have to keep following me around.

The best part of that pic? You were on nearly 1g/week of Sust and copious amounts of other gear. Congratulations on your shit genetics and h-frame.  ;D

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Re: How bad can waterboarding really be?
« Reply #124 on: May 22, 2009, 01:50:57 PM »
I'm not arguing that torture doesn't work in some cases. I'm wondering if torture itself is appropriate in a democracy and at what point will we have US citizens being legally tortured.

Come on. Cut the fearmongering bullshit, Cheney. Torturing terrorists captured in a foreign country and American citizens are two entirely different things.