How bad can waterboarding really be?

[tonymctones]

It's not fucking common sense dude... It's what you "think" will happen... More guessing, it's all a crap shoot and you know it... You THINK it will happen, but you don't know.

Either way, who cares about the stupid fucking country... It's a bullshit reason to stay.

You don't see me running to Somalia to stabilize that place.

Let them figure it out... It's their fucking country.

I think youre getting the wrong message bro, im all for getting our soldiers out as soon as possible but once we commited we couldnt pull out...ask hh6 he has more info then the both of us on the topic, ill put dollars to donuts he agrees with me over you...again it really is common fuking sense man.

If you believed somalia had wmd that they intended to use or terrorist links to organizations that wanted to hurt us we probably would be there...If we believe that ppl in that country are out to harm us ITS OUR FUKING BUSINESS...

[ToxicAvenger]

I think youre getting the wrong message bro, im all for getting our soldiers out as soon as possible but once we commited we couldnt pull out...

well duhh...are you gonna tell me we were stupid enough not to actually foresee this?

pffft...we need a presence there..we got it ...

[tu_holmes]

I think youre getting the wrong message bro, im all for getting our soldiers out as soon as possible but once we commited we couldnt pull out...ask hh6 he has more info then the both of us on the topic, ill put dollars to donuts he agrees with me over you...again it really is common fuking sense man.

If you believed somalia had wmd that they intended to use or terrorist links to organizations that wanted to hurt us we probably would be there...If we believe that ppl in that country are out to harm us ITS OUR FUKING BUSINESS...

I don't really care WHAT he believes about this... I'm sure people thought Vietnam would be a huge cluster when we pulled out too, but we did it and it turned out just fine.

I'm sure the people in that country will figure it out... Someone will step up and lead and take charge. It will probably be another Saddam type, but that's ok... That's what THAT country needs.

Everyone thinks it will turn to shit, but no one has any proof... I'm sure France thought the US would implode too, and they were right, but it took us 400 years.

[tonymctones]

I don't really care WHAT he believes about this... I'm sure people thought Vietnam would be a huge cluster when we pulled out too, but we did it and it turned out just fine.

I'm sure the people in that country will figure it out... Someone will step up and lead and take charge. It will probably be another Saddam type, but that's ok... That's what THAT country needs.

Everyone thinks it will turn to shit, but no one has any proof... I'm sure France thought the US would implode too, and they were right, but it took us 400 years.

ahh if i remember correctly when we pulled out of vietnam the thousands of ppl died...thats what i was talking about now think about multiple factions all armed very well vying for power, you think they will just sit down and talk? LOL no bro...Yes sooner or later after the initial BLOOD BATH and when one side gets power shit will settle down slightly.

[tu_holmes]

ahh if i remember correctly when we pulled out of vietnam the thousands of ppl died...thats what i was talking about now think about multiple factions all armed very well vying for power, you think they will just sit down and talk? LOL no bro...Yes sooner or later after the initial BLOOD BATH and when one side gets power shit will settle down slightly.

I'm reading that while people were killed... It was the US action of bringing in Cambodia that really caused the problem.

Who cares anyway? It's their country... if they want to kill each other, then let them... That's THEIR business... Mine is our troops who shouldn't be there anyway.

[tonymctones]

Who cares anyway? It's their country... if they want to kill each other, then let them... That's THEIR business... Mine is our troops who shouldn't be there anyway.

I AGREE WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the fact is though that we are there, you arent getting this, if we pull out a lot of ppl will die...We made the mess we should clean it up or at least get them to the point where they can stand on their own.

[drkaje]

Do terrorists have US citizenship? You sound like that Cheney guy you hate so much. Funny how that works.

Do you believe the Geneva convention only applies to citizens of countries that have signed or ratified it? If the answer is yes, you're essentially saying it's OK for them to behead or torture captured US Soldiers/reporters/citizens/etc...

If detainees have no rights, neither do we. Before you go all "Never again!" please bear in mind that the Nazis started off exterminating gypsies and other undesirables before initiating the 'final solution'.

[tu_holmes]

I AGREE WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the fact is though that we are there, you arent getting this, if we pull out a lot of ppl will die...We made the mess we should clean it up or at least get them to the point where they can stand on their own.

I don't agree with that... Fuck 'em.

That's just me though.

[Deicide]

I don't agree with that... Fuck 'em.

That's just me though.

Not only are you a brave man with average genetics. I agree with what you have been saying.

[OzmO]

Not only are you a brave man with average genetics. I agree with what you have been saying.

Your facetiousness knows no bounds.   

[tu_holmes]

Your facetiousness knows no bounds.   

Are we sure it's not just straight up sarcasm?

[Deicide]

Are we sure it's not just straight up sarcasm?

Actually I am dead serious.

[The ChemistV2]

Not only are you a brave man with average genetics. I agree with what you have been saying.

I'm not following you...what does people's genetics have to do with their opinions. Here's a shot of me. How are my genetics? No steroids by the way. Does my opinion hold more weight now.

[Deicide]

I'm not following you...what does people's genetics have to do with their opinions. Here's a shot of me. How are my genetics? No steroids by the way. Does my opinion hold more weight now.

Genetics=Everything

You=Huge Aryan with Muscles!

[24KT]

I think it's pretty same to assume that most of us, even the most liberal on this board, would use "extreme" interrogation techniques to extract information if we knew some shitbag absolutely had critical information that would save the lives of innocents. Especially if those innocents were our immediate family and closest friends.

That may be the case, ...it still wouldn't make it legal.
I'm sure if most of us were starving, and we knew stealing some food would save our lives or that of our loved ones, most of us would do it too, ...it still wouldn't make it legal.

[timfogarty]

Genetics=Everything

You=much older than in that pic

fixed

[24KT]

What a terrible example...the Spanish Inquisition, are you serious? That was a tyrannical organisation whose main purpose was to enforce obedience in others, forceably covert the unwilling and sow fear. Bad example.

How does that differ from the actions of an instigator of an aggressive war?

[24KT]

And yet our morality still probably trumps the morality of any other first world nation.

{ahem} Canada {cough}

[tonymctones]

jag again legal/illegal is the same as civilized/uncivilized these are made up concepts of man they dont have any impact on the real world outside of man...LIFE AND DEATH are real and have real consequences, this isnt an ideological debate its a struggle to survive and protect you and your own.

[24KT]

No its relevant. More to the point, this crap didn't just start under Bush or on 9/12. The net, 24 news and the information age have made it all seem like we went from this wonderful democracy to shaddy characters. We've always done whats in our best interest. Hell we used to assasinate people we didn't like, and knock over governments.

Used to

[24KT]

jag again legal/illegal is the same as civilized/uncivilized these are made up concepts of man they dont have any impact on the real world outside of man...LIFE AND DEATH are real and have real consequences, this isnt an ideological debate its a struggle to survive and protect you and your own.

So the radical Islamic fundamentalist extremists and the Dick Cheney's of the world would like us to believe.
Such colossal epics serve to solidify their power. Kotb who only became radicalized after torture would've been proud

[tonymctones]

So the radical Islamic fundamentalist extremists and the Dick Cheney's of the world would like us to believe.
Such colossal epics serve to solidify their power. Kotb who only became radicalized after torture would've been proud

jag your an atheist correct?

[24KT]

jag your an atheist correct?

Absolutely 1,000,000 % incorrect!

[w8tlftr]

That may be the case, ...it still wouldn't make it legal.
I'm sure if most of us were starving, and we knew stealing some food would save our lives or that of our loved ones, most of us would do it too, ...it still wouldn't make it legal.

I'm willing to look the other way when the situation warrants it.

I think this was one of those times. In respect to it's legality, that's for the courts to decide.

[drkaje]

jag your an atheist correct?

Back in the day I banged an atheist so hard she believed in God.