Dorian Vs Jay ( Ronnie says Dorian is better )

[Hulkster]

Judging by this comparison Coleman was better conditioned in 97. Where did it get him that year against Dorian Yates? LOL



He looks amazing on the right but not so amazing on the left. This proves how he lost condition when competing at a higher bodyweight.

thats your problem. your using one comparison only.

ronnie was 1000x better conditioned when he won his Olympias:
 

[Hulkster]

Judging by this comparison Coleman was better conditioned in 97. Where did it get him that year against Dorian Yates? LOL

stop for a minute and think for once.

lets say ronnie was better conditioned in 97 than in 98 or 99.

do you really think that he would have placed 9th? over a worst ever yates, not so great kevin, not so great nasser etc.


you think he would have jumped 8 spots the next year for no reason?

 

you guys amaze me with your stupidity, I swear..

[Immortal_Technique]

Judging by this comparison Coleman was better conditioned in 97. Where did it get him that year against Dorian Yates? LOL



He looks amazing on the right but not so amazing on the left. This proves how he lost condition when competing at a higher bodyweight.

It does kind of look like that yes. The lighting is very different though in those two pics, much darker in the second one, and it's only a front shot. Clearly the judges thought he was better once Teh Chad came on the scene and had those glutes looking crazy. Do you want me to list the people who came ahead of Ronnie in '07, who he later beat from '98 onwards?

[Hulkster]

Do you want me to list the people who came ahead of Ronnie in '07, who he later beat from '98 onwards?

that would be another 1600 page thread.

everyone beat Ronnie before he became Mr. O.

everyone.

Clairmonte, Levrone, Dorian, Ray, Flex,

fuck, 14 guys placed ahead of Ronnie in 1992 at the olympia alone..

and these idiots think he barely improved by the time he started winning Mr. O's/..

 

[Mr.1derful]

he wasnt superior back in the mid 90's moron.

like Immortal pointed out, he lost to EVERYONE ALL THE TIME

 

for good reason. he looked like crap compared to his later years: he had the shape, but he was soft as hell..

Yet at every turn, you denounce Dorian and on many occasions make claims of Ronnie looking better, even pre-1998.   You're a walking contradiction. 

[Hulkster]

show me where...

In some shots, yes, he was, eg. his mm was probably better in 1994 than dorian's ever was.

but overall, no, thats why he lost to a million people.

ronnie's physique evolved drastically over the years culminating in his Mr. Olympia wins..

[England_1]

Man, Ronnie's MM really regressed from 97-98 (his best) to 99. His waist, GH gut just blew up, shoulders lost detail, etc. It's pretty shocking that even his 97 condition was superior to 99, but then again the quality of competition really went down those few years.

[NarcissisticDeity]

5. Q. This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?

R.C. Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win... but I couldn't have beat them in their hey days.



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He was being modest in that quote sure , in the others NO that doesn't apply to the others nice try though

[NarcissisticDeity]

It does kind of look like that yes. The lighting is very different though in those two pics, much darker in the second one, and it's only a front shot. Clearly the judges thought he was better once Teh Chad came on the scene and had those glutes looking crazy. Do you want me to list the people who came ahead of Ronnie in '07, who he later beat from '98 onwards?

The lighting has nothing to do with the much sharper delts , much smaller and tighter midsection , and the arms are about the same in some aspects Ronnie really improved in others he didn't

[Hulkster]

Man, Ronnie's MM really regressed from 97-98 (his best) to 99. His waist, GH gut just blew up, shoulders lost detail, etc. It's pretty shocking that even his 97 condition was superior to 99, but then again the quality of competition really went down those few years.

 

if he looked like this in 97 he would have won the contest;

regressed my ass..

[Hulkster]

look how much detail his shoulders lost!

do you still think he looked better in 97?

[Hulkster]

look at the traps mass he put on

[kris iyengar]

that pic of jay was taken just before 2007 Mr olympia!thats was the year when he was awarded the Olympia!

[DeketheCreep]

 

[webcake]

Look how much better Jay's most muscular looks when he actually hits it right.....

[Immortal_Technique]

The lighting has nothing to do with the much sharper delts , much smaller and tighter midsection , and the arms are about the same in some aspects Ronnie really improved in others he didn't

Okay yeah, I agree about improving in some ways and worsening in others, same thing happened to Yates and everyone human. Ronnie's delts did get bigger by 99, which was a good thing to balance out that chest and those arms. In '97 they were super striated but smaller in mass. I have never seen one striation in Yates's delts btw. Or anywhere apart from chest actually.

But all the Dorian people are deliberately not acknowledging that the judges started placing Ronnie a lot higher once the hams and glutes became the best in the world. And once the back improved a lot. I didn't know condition was dictates by midsection width, and arm size?!? (a strange thing to bring attention to given Ronnie's superiority in both even in the 99 shot), but I was under the impression bodyfat and water were quite important though, which The Judges definitely thought Ronnie had a whole lot less of from 98 onwards.

Everyone knows the story with Flex recommending Chad Nicholls, then Ronnie nailing his condition and leaping over everyone to win. Why pretend 97 Ronnie was already better than the one who would later beat Levrone, Ray, Nasser etc until they all retired?! when in 97 they were all killing him?

[Palpatine Q]

Ronnie was better than Dorian from about 95 on, so were a lot of other guys that got the shaft from the judges. if Dorian didn't retire, and tore his OTHER bicep....they would still have give him the title in 98.

And the magazines would have said some stupid shit like "Despite numerous setbacks, Dorian again shows the heart and mettle of a true champion and guts out yet another victory,"


The last couple years of his reign were a total fucking travesty.

I think you are off base Hulkster. It's not that Ronnie improved so much, it's that once Dorian retired the guy with the best physique actually won for a change.

[Immortal_Technique]

He was being modest in that quote sure , in the others NO that doesn't apply to the others nice try though

What? How do you know? I sure don't.

How can you rage at me for apparently 'presuming' to know when he's being modest or not, then write that hypocrisy of a reply?

Shouldn't you change the thread to "Ronnie admits it, Schwarzennegar and Haney would beat him", although you probably do actually believe that too.

[NarcissisticDeity]

What? How do you know? I sure don't.

How can you rage at me for apparently 'presuming' to know when he's being modest or not, then write that hypocrisy of a reply?

Shouldn't you change the thread to "Ronnie admits it, Schwarzennegar and Haney would beat him", although you probably do actually believe that too.

I'm not presuming to know anything he's said Dorian can beat him and he elaborated why which leaves nothing to speculate on like the ambiguous quote about Haney and Arnold

I know it kills you nutt-huggers that Ronnie concedes to Dorian but it doesn't change the fact , save the excuses Ronnie thinks Dorian would beat him case closed

[Hulkster]

Why pretend 97 Ronnie was already better than the one who would later beat Levrone, Ray, Nasser etc until they all retired?! when in 97 they were all killing him?

they do this to make dorian seem better.

after all, they claim Ronnie was 95% of his 98/99 form in 97 if not better in 97 than in 98 according to some of their posts ( ), and dorian and 8 other people placed ahead of him.

so, according to their twisted logic, 98 ronnie would still lose to dorian and probably a few other people too..

 

of course, the problem is, that in reality, 97 ronnie was probably only 70% of what he was to look like later on by 99..

if that.

when you are competing in the top 10 of the Olympia, that last 25% size/conditioning difference makes all the difference in the world..

[Immortal_Technique]

I'm not presuming to know anything he's said Dorian can beat him and he elaborated why which leaves nothing to speculate on like the ambiguous quote about Haney and Arnold

I know it kills you nutt-huggers that Ronnie concedes to Dorian but it doesn't change the fact , save the excuses Ronnie thinks Dorian would beat him case closed

Oh okay, so if he says one thing you can take it, says another you can leave it. Epic consistency.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oh okay, so if he says one thing you can take it, says another you can leave it. Epic consistency.

It's called context , absolutely ...the quote about Haney , Arnold was ambiguous and not definitive the others weren't

don't blame me I didn't say it Ronnie did 

[NarcissisticDeity]

they do this to make dorian seem better.

after all, they claim Ronnie was 95% of his 98/99 form in 97 if not better in 97 than in 98 according to some of their posts ( ), and dorian and 8 other people placed ahead of him.

so, according to their twisted logic, 98 ronnie would still lose to dorian and probably a few other people too..

 

of course, the problem is, that in reality, 97 ronnie was probably only 70% of what he was to look like later on by 99..

if that.

when you are competing in the top 10 of the Olympia, that last 25% size/conditioning difference makes all the difference in the world..

lmfao 70% you will go to any lengths to try and downplay how good he was before he won because you have to , Ronnie 1997 was Ronnie 1998 minus the gyno and awesome conditioning that's all , he admitted he came in to heavy and his conditioning suffered for it hence why he dropped to ninth , 1996 he was better conditioned and was 6th that's how it works , 1998 his conditioning was on point and he won , only because Flex was off that is 

[Hulkster]

see, NarcDaisy, you underestimate the difference that 'awesome conditioning' made between 97 and 98/99

not to mention the big increase in quad and back size/thickness.

ronnie was a new man when he was winning Mr. O's...

[NarcissisticDeity]

see, NarcDaisy, you underestimate the difference that 'awesome conditioning' made between 97 and 98/99

not to mention the big increase in quad and back size/thickness.

ronnie was a new man when he was winning Mr. O's...

I just said you moron his conditioning in 1998 was eons betterr than 97 , and back size? from 98? nope quads compared to 99 sure


all meaningless because Ronnie admits it wouldn't make a difference what year Dorian still beats him lol