The Reason Why Muscles Don't Grow With Low Volume.

[suckmymuscle]

It's always the novices who try to separate the drug users from naturals, as if the entire world of training stands on it's head simply due to drugs when in fact the fundamentals stay the same. The drugs only further the same effects.

  Duh...that's the reason why I used as an example as sprinter who was famous for using steroids, exactly so that the greater muscle mass of the bodybuilder can't be credited to the drugs. Brutal "I can't read" syndrome.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

For always claiming "I own Blood & Guts" one would that ISUCKMYMUSCLE would realize that even 3 sets per exercise, including warm-ups is relatively low volume.  He is so caught up in feeding his false sense of security by insulting everyone else that he overlooks simple, basic concepts.

  I'm sorry, but 3 sets of 6-8 reps with no more than a minute or so interval between sets, like Diesel did, does not constitute powerlifting style training. Yiu: fail for the gazillionth time.

As for roids vs. natural, I think a natty will see better results with higher intensity, less volume, and more recovery; although I do agree that periodization is best at some point to keep muscles from adapting to a particular program.

  Sure, this is the reason why the most common complain of naturals who do one-set-to-failure is that their strengh increases but not their mass, huh?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[WillGrant]

  As for Dorian Yates, you can't compare the guy to an average Joe. You just can't. The guy is a fucking freak of Nature. Even if he never touched a weight, he'd still weight 200 lbs with single-digit bodyfat at a height of 5'10. He is naturally that muscular.



SUCKMYMUSCLE

LOL Did you see pics of Dorian before he lifted? he was scrawny and ultra skinny , not naturaly muscular at all.

[jon cole]

During which phase do you gain the most muscle? I'm sure the major strength gains occur during the powerlifting phase.

yep, this year at the end of powerlifting style; i was big as a cow according to my training partner, especially on legs,back and chest thickness.
here my personnal experience, i did a simple program,every 5 to 6 day (or more if rest needded) i alternate :
 

 training 1:  deadlift one set of 5 to fail.
              oly squat in 4 set of 5.

 training 2 :  powerlifting squat one set of  5 to fail.
              oly squat 3*5  .
              powerclean 3*5.

and a bench training 2 time a week.

it simple, a lot of rest, of food, and every training i can add 5 pound to a set of 5 for 3/4 month, and totally drug free.

at the end i stale, it's time to start a high volume program. it's simple but it work.i gain more muscle during the powerlifting phase.

[io856]

LOL Did you see pics of Dorian before he lifted? he was scrawny and ultra skinny , not naturaly muscular at all.

Maybe he means his mental tenacity

[Royal Lion]

yep, this year at the end of powerlifting style; i was big as a cow according to my training partner, especially on legs,back and chest thickness.
here my personnal experience, i did a simple program,every 5 to 6 day (or more if rest needded) i alternate :
 

 training 1:  deadlift one set of 5 to fail.
              oly squat in 4 set of 5.

 training 2 :  powerlifting squat one set of  5 to fail.
              oly squat 3*5  .
              powerclean 3*5.

and a bench training 2 time a week.

it simple, a lot of rest, of food, and every training i can add 5 pound to a set of 5 for 3/4 month, at the end i stale, it's time to start a high volume program.
it's simple but it work.i gain more muscle during the powerlifting phase.

Just wait until ISUCKMYMUSCLE pipes in and claims your powerlifting was high volume just as he claims Dorian was  a volume trainer despite it being common knowledge that he wasn't.  

That seems like a great and simple program.  You can't go wrong with consistently applying the basics.  You are living proof that powerlifting does build muscle, even when compared to volume training.  Enough said.

[WillGrant]

Maybe he means his mental tenacity

Lol , yes . someone post the group Skin pic of Dorian before he went "inside" where he started lifting.

Dude was anorexic and nothing like the pic IO just presented.

[#1 Klaus fan]

What the heck does it mean to "train like a powerlifter"? I have seen many training and I can't tell. 

There isn't only one training style! 

[jon cole]

Just wait until ISUCKMYMUSCLE pipes in and claims your powerlifting was high volume just as he claims Dorian was  a volume trainer despite it being common knowledge that he wasn't.  

That seems like a great and simple program.  You can't go wrong with consistently applying the basics.  

yep stick with basic.
the most important point with this program is
 
1 -lower back recuperation.

2 -being concentrate enough to put everything you got in one set of 5.  
 
3 -eat and sleep.

[WillGrant]

Also low volume vs high? hmmm Dorian made populer the training each muscle group once per week where as true high volume guys like the Arnolds etc trained with 20 -30 sets hitting that body part 2-3 times a week.

Until Dorian came on the scene most of the Pros at that stage and Average BBs were still hitting each BP 2-3 times a week.
Who cares if Dorian did 20 sets per bodypart(he didnt BTW) it was still low volume compared to what was the norm.

[Royal Lion]

  I'm sorry, but 3 sets of 6-8 reps with no more than a minute or so interval between sets, like Diesel did, does not constitute powerlifting style training. Yiu: fail for the gazillionth time.

  Sure, this is the reason why the most common complain of naturals who do one-set-to-failure is that their strengh increases but not their mass, huh?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

3 sets of 6-8 reps is still relatively low volume.  I have never asserted one-set-to-failure as being the most effective way to build muscle.  You seem to automatically equate low volume to one working set - or is this just more bullshit to try to win a debate such as including a sprinter's steps as reptitions in his weightraining program as an attempt to show that it is closer to bodybuilding than powerlifting?  Desperation at its finest.

[Royal Lion]

Also low volume vs high? hmmm Dorian made populer the training each muscle group once per week where as true high volume guys like the Arnolds etc trained with 20 -30 sets hitting that body part 2-3 times a week.

Until Dorian came on the scene most of the Pros at that stage and Average BBs were still hitting each BP 2-3 times a week.
Who cares if Dorian did 20 sets per bodypart(he didnt BTW) it was still low volume compared to what was the norm.

Exactly - Dorian perfected low volume training.  Even if he began his training as high volume (which is questionable), the fact that he put nearly 40lbs of muscle on an already Mr. Olympia physique is yet further proof that low volume builds muscle mass.

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

Exactly - Dorian perfected low volume training.  Even if he began his training as high volume (which is questionable), the fact that he put nearly 40lbs of muscle on an already Mr. Olympia physique is yet further proof that low volume builds muscle mass.

thats not rppof thats hgh use,,

[io856]

thats not rppof thats hgh use,,

He said he was using growth throughout his entire competitive bodybuilding career... of course he was

[#1 Klaus fan]

Fact is, high volume training is good for size, strength and endurance. Every athlete trains with as high volume as he can.

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

Fact is, high volume training is good for size, strength and endurance. Every athlete trains with as high volume as he can.

100 SETS OF BENCH,,DOES THE BODY GOOD

[PJim]

It appears there are a lot of people who follow the childish notion that more is better. Why don't you do what Homer Simpson does and curl a dumbbell all day and see what happens.

[#1 Klaus fan]

It appears there are a lot of people who follow the childish notion that more is better. Why don't you do what Homer Simpson does and curl a dumbbell all day and see what happens.

Some athletes train all day long already. It's called greasing the groove and it has produced one of the strongest people ever.

[#1 Klaus fan]

I myself have done around 45-60 sets of presses a week, and my max has gone from 4 reps to 8 in about 2 months. Yeah doesn't work.  And I feel awesome.

[#1 Klaus fan]

100 SETS OF BENCH,,DOES THE BODY GOOD

If they can do it, they will do it, and loser whine while they win.

[PJim]

I myself have done around 45-60 sets of presses a week, and my max has gone from 4 reps to 8 in about 2 months. Yeah doesn't work.  And I feel awesome.

okay, why not do 90-120 sets? Surely you would double your results....

[PJim]

my point is this; the body does NOT have a limitless recovery capability. At some point you have to start letting the body compensate. ANY volume has a detrimental affect on the recovery capability. It's being able to make strength/size gains with the least time spent actually working out that people should ideally strive for, hell even if its just for their sanity, afterall isn't it counter-productive towards other goals/tasks in your life if you literally live in the gym?

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

If they can do it, they will do it, and loser whine while they win.

I had a freind do it for a Mr. Olympia back in 96 he came in top 5,,that year specically we didnt expose what he did we just tested it to prove dorians theory we didnt like HIT one bit,,,at the time dorain was all the rave and weider boyz were all the best though my friend is genetically gifted he would have grown no matter what if he did 2 ests of benches,,vs 100 sets of bench,,the way did it htough we split up his workouts on in morning  where we did 50 sets of bench for 225 no failtures then came later in evening to to 50 more,,

[pumpster]

 You are biased against me, and will claim anything to try to discredit me because I fucked youn up the ass in the truce thread more times than you can count. Dorian recommends three working sets for begginers in Blood&Guts. And the sprinter example is terrible in both ways because first of all they have less mass than bodybuilders who do multiple sets, and second their training has an excess of volume compared to that of powerlifters which makes their training more simillar to that of a bodybuilder.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Part of sucky's ongoing syndrome/mindfuck once again. The interpretations and conclusions are absurd. Thankfully the truly naive like this guy are the last to find out they're clueless therefore the pain's minimal.


Hope this helps.

[pumpster]

why not do 90-120 sets? Surely you would double your results....

Don't kid him, you've opened a can of worms and he'll be on that by the weekend.