Author Topic: Jay Cutler current training split. Let's hear the "Experts" (Read 8535 times)

Alex23 · « **on:** June 19, 2009, 01:29:00 PM »

while schmoeing around and looking for appliances pics, I found Jay's latest:
Wednesday 6/10 chest biceps forearms
Thursday 6/11 Back
Friday 6/12 shoulder triceps
Satruday 6/13 off
Sunday 6/14 legs
Monday 6/15 chest biceps forearms
Tuesday 6/16 Back
Wednesday 6/17 off?
thursday 6/18 Shoulder triceps

http://www.jaycutler.com/archives.php

I've allways been fascinated by training splits; a combinational problem. Seems like there are no "real answers" and each split will give you a different feeling. I tend to try one and realize it's "hard" and blame the "erronous" split and switch around

. So many questions and so many different answers; "how often should I train each group?", "how often should I take a day off?", "Can I train a smaller group first?", "Is it better to have certain days of the week for certain groups, (Monday chest, tuesday back etc..)?"

Rules I tend to follow:

never hit a muscle directly then indirectly the following day; tends to "break" the local recovery cycle and alter the PTOR for that particular group
Allways Train Legs as a whole (quads & Hamz)
Try to "localize" the blod flow; ie shoulder and calves limits the "pump" where chest and shoulders or bi/tri tends to maximize
This is the tough one: try to "prioritize" weaker groups, in my case my T-rex arms

Looks like Jay broke one of my rules by hitting chest/bi/forearms then back the following day.

Deeezcuzz.

Boost · « **Reply #1 on:** June 19, 2009, 01:32:00 PM »

Jay should stick to light stretching and bodyweight movements.

his body is no longer responding to weights.

tendonitis · « **Reply #2 on:** June 19, 2009, 01:32:09 PM »

good grief fatso, just lift heavy and be done with it

Alex23 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 19, 2009, 01:33:29 PM »

Quote from: tendonitis on June 19, 2009, 01:32:09 PM

good grief fatso, just lift heavy and be done with it

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I just spilled my jack in the box Oreo cookie shakes

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #4 on:** June 19, 2009, 01:36:06 PM »

actually jay trains hamstrings on a different day than quads (i think it's the day after)
madmax discussed this on flexonline

Alex23 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 19, 2009, 01:40:05 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on June 19, 2009, 01:36:06 PM

actually jay trains hamstrings on a different day than quads (i think it's the day after)
madmax discussed this on flexonline

Not based on his online "schmoeairy".... I've tried to that too but seems the hams still take such a hit when doing heavy legs and they recover very slowly...

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #6 on:** June 19, 2009, 01:41:27 PM »

Quote from: Alex23 on June 19, 2009, 01:40:05 PM

Not based on his online "schmoeairy".... I've tried to that too but seems the hams still take such a hit when doing heavy legs and they recover very slowly...

yea. Me personally I always train legs on one day (most of the time mondays). I'm just going by what madmax says when he posts pictures of jay's workouts on flexonline that he hits hamstrings the day after quads.

Alex23 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 19, 2009, 01:52:54 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on June 19, 2009, 01:41:27 PM

yea. Me personally I always train legs on one day (most of the time mondays). I'm just going by what madmax says when he posts pictures of jay's workouts on flexonline that he hits hamstrings the day after quads.

Yea the day after could make sense; kinda "finish 'em off" type of deal....

affeman · « **Reply #8 on:** June 19, 2009, 01:58:52 PM »

Quote from: Alex23 on June 19, 2009, 01:29:00 PM

while schmoeing around and looking for appliances pics, I found Jay's latest:
Wednesday 6/10 chest biceps forearms
Thursday 6/11 Back
Friday 6/12 shoulder triceps
Satruday 6/13 off
Sunday 6/14 legs
Monday 6/15 chest biceps forearms
Tuesday 6/16 Back
Wednesday 6/17 off?
thursday 6/18 Shoulder triceps

I think that's the plan of his injection sites, not his training split.

Ursus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:01:46 PM »

I do

Chest/tris
back/bis
shoulders
legs
repeat

Camel Jockey · « **Reply #10 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:04:18 PM »

I don't think training back after a day of biceps is too smart.

Alex23 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:05:47 PM »

Quote from: Ursus on June 19, 2009, 02:01:46 PM

I do

Chest/tris
back/bis
shoulders
legs
repeat

Pretty much What I do as well; but allways take sunday off no matter what...

Ursus · « **Reply #12 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:10:15 PM »

Exactly same as me i never train on sundays

Alex23 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:12:08 PM »

Quote from: Ursus on June 19, 2009, 02:10:15 PM

Exactly same as me i never train on sundays

If saturday is going to be an "off" day, do you put in the extra effort and start day 1 instead?

Ursus · « **Reply #14 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:19:39 PM »

Generally ill just do the day i was meant to do next day i am down the gym. 90% of time anyway.

Longest it will be between bodyparts is 7days shortest is 4 that way

Alex23 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:20:53 PM »

Quote from: Ursus on June 19, 2009, 02:19:39 PM

Generally ill just do the day i was meant to do next day i am down the gym. 90% of time anyway.
Longest it will be between bodyparts is 7days shortest is 4 that way

perfect!

Ursus · « **Reply #16 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:23:52 PM »

Quote from: Alex23 on June 19, 2009, 02:20:53 PM

perfect!

bodyparts generally get hit 3x in 2 weeks

El Diablo Blanco · « **Reply #17 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:28:48 PM »

Where is the forearm, glutes and Calf workouts?

Ursus · « **Reply #18 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:34:26 PM »

forearms gets done on back and bis day no direct work needed.

calves on leg day

Meso_z · « **Reply #19 on:** June 19, 2009, 03:35:35 PM »

Quote from: Ursus on June 19, 2009, 02:34:26 PM

forearms gets done on back and bis day no direct work needed. Unless you are Lee priest, do forearms 3 sets after back workout, wont hurt.

calves on leg day No, do them on their own, if you want calves of course.

TheAnimal · « **Reply #20 on:** June 19, 2009, 04:08:55 PM »

if you are steroid using your recovery should be very quick

tbombz · « **Reply #21 on:** June 19, 2009, 04:15:41 PM »

Quote from: Camel Jockey on June 19, 2009, 02:04:18 PM

I don't think training back after a day of biceps is too smart.

works pretty good to keep the back isolated from the biceps. you might be weaker, but thats because your biceps arent contributing.. your back should be still lifting the same load though.

Ursus · « **Reply #22 on:** June 19, 2009, 04:17:45 PM »

Quote from: Meso_z on June 19, 2009, 03:35:35 PM

gotta respectfully disagree - like saying if you want forearms have a forearm day

Alex23 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 19, 2009, 06:57:41 PM »

Quote from: mon_of_steele on June 19, 2009, 02:28:48 PM

Where is the forearm, glutes and Calf workouts?

Are people at your work place still "scared" of you?

Danimal77 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 19, 2009, 06:59:20 PM »

Simple enough question.

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