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So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« on: July 24, 2009, 05:46:11 PM »
If Vick gets another shot, and the Pats take chance on him, have him as back-up, you think the fans would give him a chance?

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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2009, 08:16:52 AM »
I doubt they would take him.  If they did, I'd be upset about it.  Vick would = media circus.....not the Pat's m.o. 

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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2009, 12:24:58 PM »
They have a history of signing troubled players (Dillon and Moss).  Not sure he fits that offense though. 

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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2009, 01:09:33 PM »
What kind of chance is there that a team will take him?
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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2009, 01:11:50 PM »
What kind of chance is there that a team will take him?

About 100 percent.  He'll likely have multiple offers.  He's one of the most unique athletes in the history of the NFL.  Assuming he gets his body in shape, he'll be back on the field within the next season or two. 

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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2009, 01:25:46 PM »
About 100 percent.  He'll likely have multiple offers.  He's one of the most unique athletes in the history of the NFL.  Assuming he gets his body in shape, he'll be back on the field within the next season or two. 

Not as a starting QB. Two seasons removed as a starting QB in the NFL is monumental in terms of timing, pocket presence, and awareness.

Playing touch football on the prison yard didn't help him maintain anything. But as a wildcat QB or as a WR lined up in the slot he would definitely help a team.

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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2009, 01:27:02 PM »
About 100 percent.  He'll likely have multiple offers.  He's one of the most unique athletes in the history of the NFL.  Assuming he gets his body in shape, he'll be back on the field within the next season or two. 

It will be interesting to see who makes offers.


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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2009, 04:12:02 PM »
Not as a starting QB. Two seasons removed as a starting QB in the NFL is monumental in terms of timing, pocket presence, and awareness.

Playing touch football on the prison yard didn't help him maintain anything. But as a wildcat QB or as a WR lined up in the slot he would definitely help a team.

He could start game 1 of this coming season for about half the teams in the NFL.  The QB position is pretty weak.  If you play FF you know how lousy or at best average QBs get after about the top 10 or so. 

I agree he needs time to get back to the level he was at before going to prison (i.e., a Pro Bowl QB), but that should come with time and hard work. 

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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2009, 04:15:26 PM »
It will be interesting to see who makes offers.


There are a lot of QB needy teams.  I hope my Niners sign him.   

I think the commish will suspend him for a few games to try and appease those who think Vick should never play again and some team will sign him to a one or two year deal for the league minimum.  He'll get booed by some until he starts running all over the field again and people will eventually get over it. 

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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2009, 05:06:23 PM »
There are a lot of QB needy teams.  I hope my Niners sign him.   

I think the commish will suspend him for a few games to try and appease those who think Vick should never play again and some team will sign him to a one or two year deal for the league minimum.  He'll get booed by some until he starts running all over the field again and people will eventually get over it. 

I know this may sound terrible but I think I will lose respect for any team that signs him.  I know people can change though and I hope this is true in his case.
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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2009, 05:32:20 PM »
I know this may sound terrible but I think I will lose respect for any team that signs him.  I know people can change though and I hope this is true in his case.

I understand how you feel.  I've talked to people on both sides of the fence.

I think he has paid his debt.  He was given probably the most severe animal cruelty punishment in the history of the country.  He lost his freedom, his employment, his endorsements, good will, etc.  He apologized.  He pledged to work with animal rights groups.  There really isn't anything more he can do.

Pretty hard to keep him out of the league when Leonard Little (who killed a person) only served a several game suspension and was allowed to play.  Same with Donte Stallworth, who recently served 24 days in jail after killing a pedestrian with his car while drunk and apparently high.  He'll probably be back in the league next year.

The league lets potheads, wife beaters, etc. play and the fans quickly forget about athlete indiscretions once the player starts to perform.  We're a forgiving and shallow group of sports fans.   :)     

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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2009, 05:41:08 PM »


Pretty hard to keep him out of the league when Leonard Little (who killed a person) only served a several game suspension and was allowed to play.  Same with Donte Stallworth, who recently served 24 days in jail after killing a pedestrian with his car while drunk and apparently high.  He'll probably be back in the league next year.

I don't know who Leonard LIttle is...what happened there?

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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2009, 07:53:37 PM »
I don't know who Leonard LIttle is...what happened there?



He got drunk and ran over a mother.  Got the proverbial slap on the wrist, served an eight game suspension, and has had a very long NFL career.  Here is a story that talks about Little and others:

Donte' Stallworth plea bargain recalls 1998 Leonard Little case; he drove drunk and killed a motorist

By BRIAN BIGGANE

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Wednesday, June 17, 2009

One hundred yards. The length of a football field.

That's how far St. Louis Rams rookie Leonard Little traveled in his Lincoln Navigator the night of Oct. 19, 1998, before running a red light and smashing into a Ford Thunderbird driven by Susan Gutweiler, 47, of suburban Oakville.

Little had been celebrating his 24th birthday with teammates at a bar. After the crash, his blood-alcohol level measured 0.19, more than double the Missouri legal limit of 0.08.

Gutweiler died of her injuries the next day.

A little over a year later, after Little pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter, served 90 days in jail and was suspended by the NFL for the first eight games of the 1999 season, coach Dick Vermeil brought him back to the team.

The storm of protests continues to this day.

"I did what I thought was right for the person involved," Vermeil said recently from his home in Kansas City. "From time to time you can't please everybody."

The Cleveland Browns soon will face a similar question regarding wide receiver Donte' Stallworth, who Tuesday began serving a 30-day jail sentence for driving drunk and fatally hitting a 59-year-old construction worker who, while trying to catch a bus, was cutting across a Miami Beach street.

Before the Browns decide on Stallworth's return, they'll await the decision of Commissioner Roger Goodell, who is looking into disciplinary action. Next month, Goodell is expected to rule on an even larger controversy - the potential return of quarterback Michael Vick, who is scheduled to be released from home confinement July 20 after serving 23 months in custody for running a dog-fighting ring.

The short sentence negotiated by Stallworth shocked some fans. The same feeling ran through St. Louis when Little was jailed a decade ago. That controversy concerning the discipline for Little, who killed a mother of two, remains charged today.

"We can write a game story that does nothing more than quote Leonard Little regarding a play he made and we'll get e-mails saying, 'Why are you quoting that murderer?' " St. Louis Post-Dispatch columnist Bryan Burwell said. "Some people will never forgive him."

Mike Boland, president of the Missouri chapter of Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) when Gutweiler was killed, said Little spent too little time behind bars.

"For what Mr. Little did, it was definitely not enough," Boland said.

NFL teams dealing with the fallout of athletes who turn into criminals is nothing new. Nearly 40 years ago, in 1970, the Dallas Cowboys felt compelled to trade wide receiver Lance Rentzel after he was charged with exposing himself to a 10-year-old boy.

"(Coach) Tom Landry was offended and angry about it," said former Cowboys personnel director Gil Brandt. "You want to give a guy another chance, but you also want to do what's right. It's a hard option."

The Cowboys proved more tolerant when Michael Irvin had a series of runs-in with the law in the late '90s.

Cincinnati wide receiver Chris Henry tested the limits of the Bengals' tolerance when he was arrested in five separate incidents from 2005-08. Last pre-season, just when it seemed that Henry had used up his last chance, General Manager Mike Brown signed him to a two-year contract after both Chad Ochocinco and T.J. Houshmandzadeh went down with injuries.

One angry fan reacted by renting a billboard on a busy interstate that flashed the words "Chris Henry Again? ... Are You Serious?"

Henry hasn't made another misstep since. "I made up my mind I was going to stay away from that type of stuff," he said. "It's been pretty much a complete 360. It's what I had to do."

While questions have arisen over the character of Vick, Henry and scores of others involved in such incidents, Vermeil said it was Little's character that suggested he be given another chance as quickly as he was.

"He wasn't a problem drinker, nothing like that," Vermeil said. "He's a very quiet young man, humble, with a rural background, the kind of guy who would never speak up even in the linebacker meetings. To call him a murderer, that's just not him.

"He made a mistake. It's a fact there was an accident, and it's a fact that a person passed away. That was terrible. There's nothing worse for him than knowing he'd made a mistake and that mistake cost a person their life. It's something he'll never get rid of."

Little, who this fall will enter his 12th season, all with the Rams, was elected to the Pro Bowl in 2002. Over the years, he has transitioned from linebacker to defensive end.

MADD's Boland remains unhappy with the way the Rams - and Vermeil in particular - handled what transpired in the weeks and months after the accident, which occurred the day after the Rams visited Miami and lost 14-0 to the Dolphins.

"Their decision from the get-go was to look at the death of Mrs. Gutweiler and call it 'the situation,' " Boland said. "They never talked about him pleading guilty or committing a crime; it was always 'the situation.' "

On Nov. 14, 1999, the day Little was eligible to return, MADD staged a march from the crash site of the accident to the TWA Dome, stopping there to erect a memorial featuring a picture of Gutweiler and laying down 526 flowers, one for each victim of a drunk-driving accident in Missouri that year.

Little served 1,000 hours of community service as part of his sentence. Boland said it was hoped he might use his celebrity status to become a spokesman for their cause, and in the past few years he has addressed the issue with school and church groups. Those who know him say asking more would be asking too much.

"There are all kinds of personalities who would step up and do those things," Vermeil said. "Leonard is very quiet and withdrawn. That's not him."

Six years after the accident, in 2004, Little was again arrested for drunk driving and speeding, but the field-test results for blood-alcohol level were faulty and he refused a second test at the police station. He was ultimately acquitted of driving while intoxicated and convicted of the misdemeanor speeding charge.

Dan Lebowitz, executive director of Sport in Society, a research group at Northeastern University in Boston, said the cases of Little, Stallworth, Vick and others force sports fans to decide how much they're willing to tolerate.

"A lot of these athletes get a lot of money at a very young age, and the decisions they make are not the best," Lebowitz said. "You have to look at the entire equation: At what point do the negatives outweigh the positives?

"Athletes are people, and most of us are willing to give people a second chance. You just hope they make the most of it."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/content/sports/epaper/2009/06/17/0617little.html

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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2009, 08:08:04 PM »
I understand how you feel.  I've talked to people on both sides of the fence.

I think he has paid his debt.  He was given probably the most severe animal cruelty punishment in the history of the country.  He lost his freedom, his employment, his endorsements, good will, etc.  He apologized.  He pledged to work with animal rights groups.  There really isn't anything more he can do.

Pretty hard to keep him out of the league when Leonard Little (who killed a person) only served a several game suspension and was allowed to play.  Same with Donte Stallworth, who recently served 24 days in jail after killing a pedestrian with his car while drunk and apparently high.  He'll probably be back in the league next year.

The league lets potheads, wife beaters, etc. play and the fans quickly forget about athlete indiscretions once the player starts to perform.  We're a forgiving and shallow group of sports fans.   :)     

Very good points. But no, I don't want him on The Niners.
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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2009, 06:33:33 AM »
He got drunk and ran over a mother.  Got the proverbial slap on the wrist, served an eight game suspension, and has had a very long NFL career.  Here is a story that talks about Little and others:

Donte' Stallworth plea bargain recalls 1998 Leonard Little case; he drove drunk and killed a motorist

By BRIAN BIGGANE

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Wednesday, June 17, 2009

One hundred yards. The length of a football field.

That's how far St. Louis Rams rookie Leonard Little traveled in his Lincoln Navigator the night of Oct. 19, 1998, before running a red light and smashing into a Ford Thunderbird driven by Susan Gutweiler, 47, of suburban Oakville.

Little had been celebrating his 24th birthday with teammates at a bar. After the crash, his blood-alcohol level measured 0.19, more than double the Missouri legal limit of 0.08.

Gutweiler died of her injuries the next day.

A little over a year later, after Little pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter, served 90 days in jail and was suspended by the NFL for the first eight games of the 1999 season, coach Dick Vermeil brought him back to the team.

The storm of protests continues to this day.

"I did what I thought was right for the person involved," Vermeil said recently from his home in Kansas City. "From time to time you can't please everybody."

The Cleveland Browns soon will face a similar question regarding wide receiver Donte' Stallworth, who Tuesday began serving a 30-day jail sentence for driving drunk and fatally hitting a 59-year-old construction worker who, while trying to catch a bus, was cutting across a Miami Beach street.

Before the Browns decide on Stallworth's return, they'll await the decision of Commissioner Roger Goodell, who is looking into disciplinary action. Next month, Goodell is expected to rule on an even larger controversy - the potential return of quarterback Michael Vick, who is scheduled to be released from home confinement July 20 after serving 23 months in custody for running a dog-fighting ring.

The short sentence negotiated by Stallworth shocked some fans. The same feeling ran through St. Louis when Little was jailed a decade ago. That controversy concerning the discipline for Little, who killed a mother of two, remains charged today.

"We can write a game story that does nothing more than quote Leonard Little regarding a play he made and we'll get e-mails saying, 'Why are you quoting that murderer?' " St. Louis Post-Dispatch columnist Bryan Burwell said. "Some people will never forgive him."

Mike Boland, president of the Missouri chapter of Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) when Gutweiler was killed, said Little spent too little time behind bars.

"For what Mr. Little did, it was definitely not enough," Boland said.

NFL teams dealing with the fallout of athletes who turn into criminals is nothing new. Nearly 40 years ago, in 1970, the Dallas Cowboys felt compelled to trade wide receiver Lance Rentzel after he was charged with exposing himself to a 10-year-old boy.

"(Coach) Tom Landry was offended and angry about it," said former Cowboys personnel director Gil Brandt. "You want to give a guy another chance, but you also want to do what's right. It's a hard option."

The Cowboys proved more tolerant when Michael Irvin had a series of runs-in with the law in the late '90s.

Cincinnati wide receiver Chris Henry tested the limits of the Bengals' tolerance when he was arrested in five separate incidents from 2005-08. Last pre-season, just when it seemed that Henry had used up his last chance, General Manager Mike Brown signed him to a two-year contract after both Chad Ochocinco and T.J. Houshmandzadeh went down with injuries.

One angry fan reacted by renting a billboard on a busy interstate that flashed the words "Chris Henry Again? ... Are You Serious?"

Henry hasn't made another misstep since. "I made up my mind I was going to stay away from that type of stuff," he said. "It's been pretty much a complete 360. It's what I had to do."

While questions have arisen over the character of Vick, Henry and scores of others involved in such incidents, Vermeil said it was Little's character that suggested he be given another chance as quickly as he was.

"He wasn't a problem drinker, nothing like that," Vermeil said. "He's a very quiet young man, humble, with a rural background, the kind of guy who would never speak up even in the linebacker meetings. To call him a murderer, that's just not him.

"He made a mistake. It's a fact there was an accident, and it's a fact that a person passed away. That was terrible. There's nothing worse for him than knowing he'd made a mistake and that mistake cost a person their life. It's something he'll never get rid of."

Little, who this fall will enter his 12th season, all with the Rams, was elected to the Pro Bowl in 2002. Over the years, he has transitioned from linebacker to defensive end.

MADD's Boland remains unhappy with the way the Rams - and Vermeil in particular - handled what transpired in the weeks and months after the accident, which occurred the day after the Rams visited Miami and lost 14-0 to the Dolphins.

"Their decision from the get-go was to look at the death of Mrs. Gutweiler and call it 'the situation,' " Boland said. "They never talked about him pleading guilty or committing a crime; it was always 'the situation.' "

On Nov. 14, 1999, the day Little was eligible to return, MADD staged a march from the crash site of the accident to the TWA Dome, stopping there to erect a memorial featuring a picture of Gutweiler and laying down 526 flowers, one for each victim of a drunk-driving accident in Missouri that year.

Little served 1,000 hours of community service as part of his sentence. Boland said it was hoped he might use his celebrity status to become a spokesman for their cause, and in the past few years he has addressed the issue with school and church groups. Those who know him say asking more would be asking too much.

"There are all kinds of personalities who would step up and do those things," Vermeil said. "Leonard is very quiet and withdrawn. That's not him."

Six years after the accident, in 2004, Little was again arrested for drunk driving and speeding, but the field-test results for blood-alcohol level were faulty and he refused a second test at the police station. He was ultimately acquitted of driving while intoxicated and convicted of the misdemeanor speeding charge.

Dan Lebowitz, executive director of Sport in Society, a research group at Northeastern University in Boston, said the cases of Little, Stallworth, Vick and others force sports fans to decide how much they're willing to tolerate.

"A lot of these athletes get a lot of money at a very young age, and the decisions they make are not the best," Lebowitz said. "You have to look at the entire equation: At what point do the negatives outweigh the positives?

"Athletes are people, and most of us are willing to give people a second chance. You just hope they make the most of it."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/content/sports/epaper/2009/06/17/0617little.html

To me there is a huge difference between a man who made a stupid, dangerous and careless decision to drive after drinking and a man who soberly made deliberate decisions to do things Vick did...day after day for probably years. 
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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2009, 10:04:08 AM »
To me there is a huge difference between a man who made a stupid, dangerous and careless decision to drive after drinking and a man who soberly made deliberate decisions to do things Vick did...day after day for probably years. 

exactly

that seems to be hard to understand for vick supporters

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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2009, 10:59:01 AM »
To me there is a huge difference between a man who made a stupid, dangerous and careless decision to drive after drinking and a man who soberly made deliberate decisions to do things Vick did...day after day for probably years. 

Stella I find it hard to believe that Little and Stallworth had not driven drunk in the past.  They probably did it for years.  In fact, Little was arrested for DUI years after his conviction (charges were later dropped).  And the results of their crimes was the death of two people. 

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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2009, 11:39:54 AM »
stallworths and littles crimes resulted in the death of a human, vicks while I agree were extremely heinous and dispicable where to dogs. You cant really compare the two human life is intrensically more valuable then a dogs life. I love dogs but Im not going to choose my dogs over a person if it came down to it. He will get picked up and like someone mentioned would make one heck of an option for a team that ran a wild cat offense every now and again, a good punt or kick returner and probably a decent wide reciever I dont know if he would be very dominant he is only what 6 foot but I good underneth reciever with good speed that is if he can ever learn to tuck the football in...

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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2009, 12:54:24 PM »
if you can torture innocent dogs, there's a strong possibility you would do the same to humans if you knew you could get away with it

i don't know why i have to keep mentioning it but little and stallworth had drunk driving ACCIDENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there was no dog fighting accident ::)

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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2009, 04:58:01 PM »
Not as a starting QB. Two seasons removed as a starting QB in the NFL is monumental in terms of timing, pocket presence, and awareness.

Playing touch football on the prison yard didn't help him maintain anything. But as a wildcat QB or as a WR lined up in the slot he would definitely help a team.


yeah, kind of hurt Tommy Maddox huh ::)

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« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2009, 06:50:33 PM »
if you can torture innocent dogs, there's a strong possibility you would do the same to humans if you knew you could get away with it

i don't know why i have to keep mentioning it but little and stallworth had drunk driving ACCIDENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there was no dog fighting accident ::)

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Stella I find it hard to believe that Little and Stallworth had not driven drunk in the past.  They probably did it for years.  In fact, Little was arrested for DUI years after his conviction (charges were later dropped).  And the results of their crimes was the death of two people. 

But Beach, do you think those guys purposely and w/intent wanted to kill or hurt people?  They made stupid, careless, dangerous decisions to drink and drive but do you really think they deliberately ran those people down?

Yes, they should pay their debt.  But a man that did the things Vick did...and over and over again...has something wrong with him.  There is something wrong there.  Something sick and twisted.

I know people can change and I hope he has. 
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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2009, 11:18:13 PM »
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But Beach, do you think those guys purposely and w/intent wanted to kill or hurt people?  They made stupid, careless, dangerous decisions to drink and drive but do you really think they deliberately ran those people down?

Yes, they should pay their debt.  But a man that did the things Vick did...and over and over again...has something wrong with him.  There is something wrong there.  Something sick and twisted.

I know people can change and I hope he has. 

I don't think that a person gets behind the wheel drunk intending to run down a specific person.  But anyone who drives drunk is engaging in reckless behavior.  That person knows that their driving is impaired and that they have the potential to kill someone.  Drunk drivers injure and kill many people every year.  The analogy I've used before is going to a shooting range while drunk and "accidentally" shooting and killing someone else.  A drunk driver is engaging in even more reckless behavior. 

The law doesn't view a killing by a drunk driver as an accident, which is why they get charged with manslaughter.  If it was truly an accident, the penalty would be a traffic ticket, if anything. 

I understand what you mean about Vick.  I think anyone who abuses animals is twisted.  But I don't view him as some serial killer in training.  He was just stupid.  Didn't have good life training.  Never really had to abide by the rules.  Got zero education at Va Tech.  And then suddenly he has more money than he can spend.  I've said this about star athletes before, but that is a recipe for disaster.

You should look into Tony Dungy's background.  One of the true gentlemen and great coaches in the NFL (now retired).  Class act.  A man of faith.  If anyone can help Vick turn his life around it's Dungy.       

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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2009, 04:23:48 PM »
I don't think that a person gets behind the wheel drunk intending to run down a specific person.  But anyone who drives drunk is engaging in reckless behavior.  That person knows that their driving is impaired and that they have the potential to kill someone.  Drunk drivers injure and kill many people every year.  The analogy I've used before is going to a shooting range while drunk and "accidentally" shooting and killing someone else.  A drunk driver is engaging in even more reckless behavior. 

The law doesn't view a killing by a drunk driver as an accident, which is why they get charged with manslaughter.  If it was truly an accident, the penalty would be a traffic ticket, if anything. 

I understand what you mean about Vick.  I think anyone who abuses animals is twisted.  But I don't view him as some serial killer in training.  He was just stupid.  Didn't have good life training.  Never really had to abide by the rules.  Got zero education at Va Tech.  And then suddenly he has more money than he can spend.  I've said this about star athletes before, but that is a recipe for disaster.

You should look into Tony Dungy's background.  One of the true gentlemen and great coaches in the NFL (now retired).  Class act.  A man of faith.  If anyone can help Vick turn his life around it's Dungy.       

stop making excuses for him, he was smart enough to keep his dog fighting ring a secret therefore he knew he was doing something wrong

as for dungy, how well did he help his own son?

vick won't dog fight anymore, that doesn't make him a "changed man" ::)

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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2009, 04:38:59 PM »
I don't think that a person gets behind the wheel drunk intending to run down a specific person.  But anyone who drives drunk is engaging in reckless behavior.  That person knows that their driving is impaired and that they have the potential to kill someone.  Drunk drivers injure and kill many people every year.  The analogy I've used before is going to a shooting range while drunk and "accidentally" shooting and killing someone else.  A drunk driver is engaging in even more reckless behavior. 

The law doesn't view a killing by a drunk driver as an accident, which is why they get charged with manslaughter.  If it was truly an accident, the penalty would be a traffic ticket, if anything. 

I understand what you mean about Vick.  I think anyone who abuses animals is twisted.  But I don't view him as some serial killer in training.  He was just stupid.  Didn't have good life training.  Never really had to abide by the rules.  Got zero education at Va Tech.  And then suddenly he has more money than he can spend.  I've said this about star athletes before, but that is a recipe for disaster.

    

Vick's killings and torture were intentional.  I don't see a drunk driver who accidentally kills someone as having the same mindset as someone like Vick.  And I agree w/Earl, Vick tried to hide what he was doing.  He wasn't just "making mistakes."    I think we just see him in 2 different ways...and that's fine..you know you're my bro.  But I will never respect any team he plays for again...not that it will be any big loss to them.



You should look into Tony Dungy's background.  One of the true gentlemen and great coaches in the NFL (now retired).  Class act.  A man of faith.  If anyone can help Vick turn his life around it's Dungy.      

I've met Tony Dungy (briefly).  I have a pic w/him.  Very likeable person who seems quite genuine in his faith.  If he wants to deal w/Vick, he is a better, much better person than me.  I hope he can help him.  He needs it.
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Re: So Body, how would feel if Vick goes to the Pats?
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2009, 05:36:05 PM »
stop making excuses for him, he was smart enough to keep his dog fighting ring a secret therefore he knew he was doing something wrong

as for dungy, how well did he help his own son?

vick won't dog fight anymore, that doesn't make him a "changed man" ::)

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Do you know the difference between an excuse and explanation?  If not, let me know and I can explain it for you.   :)

Yes, make a comment about Dungy's son who committed suicide.   ::)  Dude you have no class. 

I don't know if Vick will be a changed man or not.  Time will tell.