[ Q ] But the two of you were friends at one point, right?
I used to call him a friend. There are two kinds of friends: real friends and fake friends. He belongs to the last group. At the beginning of 1993 I was with my former wife visiting California and we went to San Diego, where we met, by accident, Milos and his "best friend" Sonny Schmidt at the biggest "Gold's Gym" (now called "World Gym") there. Sonny was pretty quiet as he used to be when he did not know you. But I always liked Sonny. He was a really, really good person with a big heart who would do anything for his friends.
With (from Nasser's right to left) Bodybuilding Legend, Sonny "The Thunder From Down Under" Schmidt, Top Amatuer Bodybuilder, Parenthesis Devers (Brother Of Former US Sprinter Gail Devers), And Milos At Milos's Home.
At that time Milos asked me if I needed anything. He was referring to anabolic steroids; he basically wanted to sell me steroids during my vacation stay. It was not that DCM really wanted to help me out; he just wanted to make a profit off me. I told him that I actually had plenty enough for myself.
And after telling him that (as usual he wanted to know what exactly what I had) I was using Russian D-bol pills and he wanted to buy them from me! But I did not engage in that "enterprise."
I then finally got a Weider contract in November of 1994. Joe Weider had already told me onstage at the 1994 Mr. Olympia personally (who put the seventh place medal around my neck) that I should come to his office because he would like to talk to me. He also said that I finally fulfilled his expectations. I was really happy.
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Nasser With Rick Stevenson,
Owner of World Gym, Pacific Beach San Diego.
(note: Nasser Was Never Kicked Out Of This Gym. He Simply Moved Away From This Area And Still Trains There Off And On)
First time competing in the Olympia and ending in seventh place, not too bad. I definitely thought I would "qualify" for a contract now after not being good enough before in 1991 (and 1992) when Joe paid me, Yates, Paulson, Jari and KP Ourama to come to California in 1991.
Milos did not schedule a visit to Joe or do anything for me like that - except he did exactly the opposite. He asked me to help him out with money, which I did at the beginning of 1995 by loaning him money for his NOC contest in May 1995. It was exactly $2550.00 US Dollars he needed to buy steroids with.
His wife at that time, Ursula, had left him in January 1995 after my former wife and I had helped them with their heavy move from downtown San Diego, California, to Temecula, California. Ursula was tired of Milos. They had non-stop, stupid arguments for hours like for example if it was "the right thing to whistle on the street as a female" which Usula supposedly had been doing. Milos was enraged about that. He perceived it as vulgar and low class.
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Birgit With Milos Sarcev's Former Wife Ursula At Milos's House.
Also Ursula had gone to Florida in January 1995 to an event where she had got together supposedly with Troy Zucolotto's former training partner. Milos had a break down. We had to put him psychologically back together - he was now stuck in the desert community of Temecula, California. They had just a week before bought the house and the wife was now gone.
I do know how that feels because this happened to me in 2001 as well. So I am not putting Milos down for what happened here to him with one of his numerous wives, but what I would like to say about that is my former wife and I helped him and not the opposite, as he is claiming; this delusional, pathological liar.
Later Ursula came back for a short period of time but it did not last too long. Milos had also told me then that Ursula was flying to San Francisco, California, to visit her mother. But she had also visited her former boyfriend and she had also used Milos's incoming contract money, to buy all the furniture for her ex-boyfriend's new apartment.
At that time, on January 17, 1995, we also bought Milos a statue for his birthday - he loves statues - for over $300.00 US Dollars. Just to help him to become positive again. Milos was crying a lot and he was numbing his pain of being left alone by drowning himself with excessive alcohol consumption and cocaine. We by ourselves witnessed also how he was, via an IV, shooting up nubaine and liquid cocaine into both of his inner forearms at his house, and also at the little apartment I had at that time in San Diego, California.
My wife was really getting "upset having this drug addict around", to quote her exactly. She was also driving him on and off to the airport in San Diego whenever he went somewhere. She stopped doing that because she was afraid of getting caught in a drug raid with him in our only car at that time. We did not want to get into trouble because of him.
Later Milos accused me not being a real friend because I did not make him stop using "all these drugs". He needed professional help and not someone like me who does not know too much about the kinds of drugs he was addicted to. Once Milos was driving to Los Angeles on the freeway-5 northbound in San Diego, California - beginning his journey
There you have to get through a security checkpoint near Camp Pendleton, California. He, Sonny Schmidt and two other guys got stopped by a US border patrol officer there and an inspection of the car was made. An officer found approximately a whole pound of marijuana in one of the corners of the trunk. Milos told me that he was shaking and thought that he would be deported back to the killing fields of civil war torn Yugoslavia and Sonny would go back Down Under.
But the border agent recognized Sonny from the muscle magazines and because of that he took the "package" with him and let them continue their trip to LA as free men. How lucky all of them had been. Milos told me that the marijuana was originally his but he had sold it to Sonny because he was low on money. And he was not aware that Sonny had taken it with them on the LA trip.
I was wondering because I was always thinking that just Sonny was the pot smoker, but Milos told me that he too used Marijuana when he wanted to calm down and relax. And the cocaine was "sometimes too much" - he thought on and off he would get a heart attack. I am just quoting what he said here again. I am not familiar with these kinds of drugs.
Also Milos told me that Lynn Conkwright from Weider once caught him doing drugs backstage at a show he had attended. Supposedly Milos was also doing drugs with Aaron Baker and David Dearth as well. I am just quoting and repeating here again what Milos had told me.
We (former wife and I) also went to Milos's apartment in San Diego a couple of times and also to his nice house in Temecula, California. Once we could not make it because Milos had told us not to drive the 45 minutes up because Ursula had picked up the furniture with a van and that he (Milos) was sitting on the floor with his mother who was visiting from Yugoslavia and sister. So Milos was saying he helped me? - He could not even help himself.
Later as his drug addiction grew he became even suicidal during his sober phases. Also he was only able to workout with liquid cocaine and after shooting nubaine in the gym bathroom. When he was still living with Ursula I could not really workout with him regularly any longer because most of the time he was using machines.
And I did not want to do that. He was just lazy in the gym. So with progressing time we stopped working out together. Also what annoyed me was that he stopped working out with me when his wife was done with her separate workout and wanted to go home. Despite the fact they had different cars, he had to leave the gym with her and to leave our workout. So, how did he help me here?
At the 1992 Olympia in Helsinki, Finland, Sonny Schmidt told me personally that Milos was doing, at this contest, drugs like "speed" as well. They (Ursula, Milos and Sonny) had been using it for many days non-stop and they barely slept. Prejudging was approaching and Ursula and Milos had one of their usual fights. The result was that the paranoia had taken possession of them and these two threw all their drugs into the hotel toilet.
Sonny was so upset because he started feeling even more tired as he had not "re-loaded on speed". He felt so sick. And Milos was so off in between he had taken a seat onto the Olympia stage. Supposedly they should have kept going with the speed they had in order to not rebound or experience the missing awakening drug effect on the day of the Olympia.
Sonny told me in Australia in 1998 that he still blamed Milos for doing drugs anytime and anywhere. But I replied that he (Sonny) had a choice and we probably cannot say that Milos was seducing him constantly. He did agree with that but still stated that Milos was a bad influence on him and that they had moved in together in San Diego, California, before even Ursula came into the picture and Sonny had to leave after many years.
Sonny said that at the beginning he lived in Los Angeles, California, when he came to the US for contests and after he got his Weider contract. Why the hell should he move to San Diego, which is over 100 miles south? "I was only there because of Milos, because Milos lived in San Diego" Sonny said. But Milos was the one who followed Sonny around like a little dog. As soon as Sonny arrived at the LAX airport, Milos was there, picked him up and drove him down to San Diego, California.
Milos was lonely, a lonely man with the head full of drugs and plenty of pain in his heart and soul. Also Milos was saying:" Hey, Sonny, we are young, we have to spend money." But Milos was mostly spending Sonny's money because Sonny was a big name in the bodybuilding world at that time. He was second behind Yates in the 1992 NOC and in the top six at the 1992 Olympia - and who was Milos? He was someone who was using Sonny's money to go party and do even more drugs.
Sonny sometimes had just $5,000.00 US Dollars in his pocket but sometimes $10,000.00 to 12,000.00 US Dollars with him from his frequent guest posing appearances. And as good-natured (or stupid?) as Sonny was, he allowed Milos to spend his money. This is not a joke. This is a fact. So, Sonny as a foreigner here in the States, with a Samoan background, was becoming co-dependent on Milos.
Milos was more articulate, more outgoing, more communicative but also manipulative. And Milos signed the lease for their apartment for the place in Down Town, which they moved into after he got hold of Sonny who had a Weider contract before Milos - and without Milos's help.
The money Sonny intended to save for opening his own gym in Australia was fast disappearing spent with the "help" of DCM.
I am wondering why "expert" Milos does not claim to be responsible for "creating" Sonny? But I guess Sonny was just good enough for Milos to take his money and for getting from Weider, through Sonny, his Weider Contract. By the way, Sonny took Milos to Joe's office and Milos acted as a friend and translator for Sonny's grunting English. That is how DCM leeched into a Weider contract.
It was perfectly fitting that Sonny did not have a (California) US driver's licence. With the driver's licence in Milos's snake hands he made Sonny even more dependant on him. Without a car Sonny could not go to the gym or just simply go grocery shopping. In Los Angeles, however, Sonny could walk to the gyms in Venice and go by foot to the grocery store. But in San Diego with progressing time he became an even bigger victim of druggie Milos.
I met Sonny in 1991 at the Night of Champions in NY City and then gained an opportunity to talk to him more often in Venice, California in late 1991; then I met Sonny 1993 in California (as I mentioned before) and I got to know Sonny much better back in Germany at the very end of 1993 at the gym of Bernd Beiderbeck, the German Grand Prix promoter. Sonny basically lived there for more than two months in a room at that gym.
Milos had forbidden him to come back to the US to the San Diego, California apartment they shared because he and his exotic dancer (stripper) wife Ursula did not want to share the apartment space with Sonny anymore. And there was no room for Sonny as the great friend Milos told Sonny over the phone. By the way, rumour has it that Ursula and her friend Dayna did not only work as exotic dancers but also as street hookers.
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Nasser And Milos At Nasser's Former
Two Bedroom Apartment In San Diego.
But they divorced. Dayna used to be at that time Sonny's girl friend. And the story is that before Dayna came around the corner of a house, you could see her huge boobs coming first before you saw the rest of her shortly after. "They" were soooo big that it even embarrassed Sonny. Later Dayna was seen with Gary Strydom, before Achim Albrecht.
Because of Milos, Sonny did not return in time to LA, California to have his yearly Weider contract renewed. He lost his Weider contract. No joke. Also Sonny was out of the San Diego apartment and Ursula was in. But as "history" tells us, Milos was then, shortly after, out of Ursula's life.
After Milos had received from my former wife and me his over $300.00 US Dollar birthday present, he asked my former wife hypocritically when my birthday was - pretending he would then have a birthday present ready for me.
But Milos - a friendship is not based on presents, loaning money, eating a meal together somewhere, but on mutual respect and trust. And I do respect your achievements in the field of bodybuilding and the fact that you are definitely a world record holder when it comes to the amount of pro shows ever contested, but I do not respect you or accept you as a friend at all. I started using the word friend in regard to you because you told everyone that we were friends. In actual reality I never perceived you as a friend.
In 1998 when I was again in Australia I received more unpleasant stories about Milos when I met the Australian pro show promoter Tony Doherty, who was living at that time with Sonny Schmidt. Doherty encouraged Sonny to tell my former wife and me what else happened between him and his "friend" Milos. Sonny this time really did not want to just come out and say more. He felt uncomfortable bringing the subject of DCM up again. He just wanted to forget about it.
Anyways, Sonny finally told me about when he used to live with Milos in the San Diego, California apartment that he was paying $850.00 US Dollars rent for, at the beginning of the '90s. And Milos had told him that he and Ursula also paid $850.00 US Dollars each. So Sonny believed that and thought that the total rent was $2550.00 US Dollars for all three of them.
The very good natured Sonny had lived big parts of his life on the remote lying Pacific island of Samoa and did not have too much contact with regular people here in the US except with gym people, drug dealers and Milos. But after this went on for over two and a half years, Sonny told me that he overheard a conversation (in the room next to his in the Down Town apartment) between Ursula and Milos who had been fighting again (as usual).
Ursula trashed Milos verbally because he was abusing "such a nice guy like Sonny for years" and how could he do this to his "best friend" (Sonny) to make him pay the rent for all three of them? Sonny had heard that shortly after he came back from his stay in Germany, but by then he had already lost his Weider Contract.
He decided to go back to Australia because he was an Australian citizen and did not want to live here in the US by himself without a regular income source. And since then, as he told my former wife and me, he had never again spoken to Milos. And Milos told everyone that Sonny was his "best friend".
I do not want to be friends with Milos and I do not want to socialize with him. I was the one who stopped talking to you Milos. So do not pretend that you have morals and that you terminated the contact with me. Your morals are on the level of that of a war criminal.
And please guys: count how much money the DCM saved by not paying one single dollar in rent in the US (in San Diego, California) for at least two years plus? Yeah, from Milos's point of view Sonny was indeed a good friend.
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Nasser With (from his right), Bob Fuchs, Birgit And Nicole Bass:
Dining At A Japanese Hibatchi Restaurant In San Diego.
Also: DCM is a true champion in threading his way through the system. And he does not have a bad conscience when doing so. Even if he walked over dead bodies of his own relatives and other people in general in order to get that what he wants, he truly does not care because he lives by the statement: "the end justifies the means."
Sonny was already a big pot smoker before he met and socialized with Milos but with Milos's 24/7 negative influence on Sonny made him a true drug addict as Milos was and is. And just when Sonny, originally born in New Zealand and who had grown up in Western Samoa, had returned back to Melbourne, Australia from his "US adventure" with Milos and being away from druggie Milos permanently he started going off drugs like nubain.
Sonny told me personally that his relatives locked him up in a very small "remote" room where he was closed off from society for almost six months. He just had his food pushed to him through a little hole on the bottom of the entrance door - like you see it in the dungeon movies from the dark Middle Ages. This was basically the way Sonny Schmidt successfully detoxed from nubaine. The little dungeon room, made out of rocks and stones was in fact his "rehab facility".
