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Albert Schmidt

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Re: BB contests are fixed and it is all politics? Come on!
« Reply #50 on: September 09, 2009, 08:50:59 PM »
Didn't Paul help a guy out who was stealing cars once???

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« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2009, 09:06:15 PM »

Highly improbable that all contests are fixed. All it takes is one judge to refuse to go along with it and blow the whole scheme open.

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« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2009, 09:11:01 PM »
Not when they can cut his score out.

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« Reply #53 on: September 09, 2009, 09:12:53 PM »
Didn't Paul help a guy out who was stealing cars once???
Who hasn't? ::)
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #54 on: September 09, 2009, 09:15:23 PM »
Vince may know the guy I think he had pics taken with him years ago.

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« Reply #55 on: September 10, 2009, 05:00:43 AM »
I can't say that each and every IFBB contest is being fixed. However, there are some crystal-clear history examples we all know about and don't need to discuss e.g. 1981 that justify a general suspicion. This is where such threads, conspiracy theories etc. are coming from. So please blame the IFBB.

And Chick, please!!! Arnold of 1969 is not Arnold of 1980. And fixing btw can also be done subtly e.g. by applying the conveniently vague set of judge criteria in favor of the "winner".

Hell, even soccer games in Europe with much more public attention  and higher standards than the IFBB could ever dream of were proven to be manipulated. Now I hear people saying here that in the holy "sport" of bodybuilding such incidents would never occur. Quite plausible given that in the holy church of the IFBB Jesus Christ has to wait in front of the door so that the reborn Christians can continue their criminal activities, dealing drugs and doing gay for pay. Please!!


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« Reply #56 on: September 10, 2009, 05:21:25 AM »
having 3 guys winning 22 years worth of Olympia's would have to be the dumbest business move of all time...

i have to disagree.  It takes a while to brand a guy in the mind of the casual Bbing fan who picks up a mag 2 or 3 times a year, and mags used to run 3 months behind the actual show. 

Today, with the web, variety is good.  When you have a sport with minimal TV coverage and mags that aren't current, having a safe guy keep the title for 6+ years might not be the worst thing. 

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« Reply #57 on: September 10, 2009, 05:33:42 AM »
i have to disagree.  It takes a while to brand a guy in the mind of the casual Bbing fan who picks up a mag 2 or 3 times a year, and mags used to run 3 months behind the actual show. 

Today, with the web, variety is good.  When you have a sport with minimal TV coverage and mags that aren't current, having a safe guy keep the title for 6+ years might not be the worst thing. 

That is true...if there weren't multiple time winners there wouldn't be legends...

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« Reply #58 on: September 10, 2009, 06:08:24 AM »
i have to disagree.  It takes a while to brand a guy in the mind of the casual Bbing fan who picks up a mag 2 or 3 times a year, and mags used to run 3 months behind the actual show. 

Today, with the web, variety is good.  When you have a sport with minimal TV coverage and mags that aren't current, having a safe guy keep the title for 6+ years might not be the worst thing. 

exactly.

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« Reply #59 on: September 10, 2009, 08:06:03 AM »
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This topic seems to have really got under Ronaldos skin.  Or did he get a phone call about his press pass and decided he better help Chick out?

I just go to a lot of contests, and pretty much many judges have their own opinions, which is why in each show, people talk about who is first, second, third, etc.  What I do like is seeing the individual judges scores, which shows how many people voted for which competitor.  When we see them in the NPC level contests, you see the difference in judges opinions.   It bothers me when people accuse others of it being fixed just because they didnt like the results. Just this past weekend, an email went out from what I assume (the boyfriend) of a female competitor which came in second instead of first. He said it was pathetic. I was there - the girl clearly came in second in my opinion too, but the guy doesnt want to hear it. Fixed - he screams. 

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by your logic since Jay was dethroned by Dexter this years Mr. O should be much more profitable than last years? I guess we will see, I highly doubt it though.

I think that since Jay was dethroned last year (which was a surprise to almost everyone), the Mr. Olympia this year is one of the most exciting and anticipated contests in a very long time.

No one knows who will win.  Everyone is saying someone else.  Even the betting odds in vegas are very low.

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« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2009, 08:19:43 AM »
Even the betting odds in vegas are very low.

Could you give a link or something on these odds?

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« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2009, 08:25:38 AM »
The year is 1990.  how long does it take Met-RX (or whatever company is running the game back then) to deliver a new poster with newly crowned champ Lee Labrada to every GNC store in America?  A few months?  by the time you get the displays set up, with new "Mr O Lee Lebrada" faces on all the labels, you only have a short time until the 91 show, and Haney cleans his clock again.  Now you have a lot of product and posters with an obsolete champ that are still okay on the expiration date, but look outdated to fans.

Dynasties made sense for branding in the low-tech age.  Today, they don't. 

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« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2009, 08:27:35 AM »
Could you give a link or something on these odds?

I don't know where the complete Vegas lines are listed, but you can find Kai's odds of winning the 2009 Olympia listed here





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« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2009, 08:49:21 AM »
why are there all these schmoe wanna be photographers taking pictures if the images they capture at the shows are not accurate? 

ron, the "you have to have been there" excuse is lame when outcomes are questioned. 

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« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2009, 09:03:16 AM »
No one knows who will win.  Everyone is saying someone else.  Even the betting odds in vegas are very low.


Everyone knows who will win, someone with an AMI contract.  Kai, Victor and Wolf have ZERO chance of winning.

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« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2009, 09:57:01 AM »
4 months before the olympia the flex month title is ''jay vs dex'' with an image of them staring each other down with the sandow in the middle.

Makes you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm :-X

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« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2009, 09:59:29 AM »
4 months before the olympia the flex month title is ''jay vs dex'' with an image of them staring each other down with the sandow in the middle.

Makes you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm :-X
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Re: BB contests are fixed and it is all politics? Come on!
« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2009, 10:06:02 AM »
I just go to a lot of contests, and pretty much many judges have their own opinions, which is why in each show, people talk about who is first, second, third, etc.  What I do like is seeing the individual judges scores, which shows how many people voted for which competitor.  When we see them in the NPC level contests, you see the difference in judges opinions.   It bothers me when people accuse others of it being fixed just because they didnt like the results. Just this past weekend, an email went out from what I assume (the boyfriend) of a female competitor which came in second instead of first. He said it was pathetic. I was there - the girl clearly came in second in my opinion too, but the guy doesnt want to hear it. Fixed - he screams.  

I think that since Jay was dethroned last year (which was a surprise to almost everyone), the Mr. Olympia this year is one of the most exciting and anticipated contests in a very long time.

No one knows who will win.  Everyone is saying someone else.  Even the betting odds in vegas are very low.


dex, jay or phil - 09

phil -10

the only guys who will not be disappointed are the ones in vegas since they can walk to the venue.  they dont get jacked out of 600-1000 for another BS call.    
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« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2009, 12:08:15 PM »
Its always "politics" to those who didnt win.....works better than the inevitable "couldn't be that I just wasnt good enough....naaaaaaah"

So Chick let me ask you... were you just not "good enough" to get better then 18th on the Olympia stage?  ???

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« Reply #69 on: September 10, 2009, 05:16:34 PM »
So Chick let me ask you... were you just not "good enough" to get better then 18th on the Olympia stage?  ???


This is a question that will Never be answered.

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« Reply #70 on: September 10, 2009, 06:53:57 PM »
RON< to the best of my knowledge, you cannot place a bet on the outcome of any bodybuilding contest in Las Vegas.

Has anything changed since I last inquired at the local Sports Book?

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« Reply #71 on: September 10, 2009, 06:57:38 PM »
Check with you local IFBB bookie thay are giving 1000 to 1 Jay at the moment.Good price.

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« Reply #72 on: September 10, 2009, 06:58:29 PM »
RON< to the best of my knowledge, you cannot place a bet on the outcome of any bodybuilding contest in Las Vegas.

Has anything changed since I last inquired at the local Sports Book?
it's a show ...like american idol or a gay bar drag show

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« Reply #73 on: September 10, 2009, 09:11:34 PM »
'Albert Schmidt' seems to be in the know. I like the way people post here under aliases. When you search the members list you find thousands of people who never post.

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« Reply #74 on: September 11, 2009, 02:56:58 AM »
No wonder they appointed Chick to represent the athletes. The guy needs to shake his head hard!

There were 5 judges for the contest. No scores were eliminated. I separated the top three so my vote resulted in Ted having 2 firsts and 1 second. Bill had 2 firsts and a third. This isn't rocket science.

The point wasn't what I voted but that Paul wanted Bill to win because his physique was what Paul thought superior.

The NABBA system is superior to the silly IFBB points bullshit. Add up the places and the lowest total wins.

The 1975 Mr Australia was fixed by Paul Graham and Arnold Swartzenegger who were judges. They gave me such low scores that I placed last in my height class. I have a letter from Frank Burwash confirming this. In that contest no scores were thrown out. I warned Frank Burwash that Paul was going to put me low and Frank said he would watch out. Ha, Paul got even for my placing him behind John Kosura in a Mr South Pacific contest. Paul never did win the Mr Australia title.  

Vince you are sounding bitter like Nasser..why do you even care you obviously have given up on bodybuilding , lifting ,being in shape etc give it up old fulla