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Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care
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www.washingtontimes.com


President Obama said this week that his health care plan won't cover illegal immigrants, but argued that's all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage.

He also staked out a position that anyone in the country legally should be covered - a major break with the 1996 welfare reform bill, which limited most federal public assistance programs only to citizens and longtime immigrants.

"Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don't simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken," Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. "That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else.

Mr. Obama added, "If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country once and for all."

Republicans said that amounts to an amnesty, calling it a backdoor effort to make sure current illegal immigrants get health care.

"It is ironic that the president told the American people that illegal immigrants should not be covered by the health care bill, but now just days later he's talking about letting them in the back door," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee.

"If the American people do not want to provide government health care for illegal immigrants, why would they support giving them citizenship, the highest honor America can bestow?" Mr. Smith said.

But immigrant rights groups see the speech as a signal that Mr. Obama is committed to providing health care coverage for anyone in the United States legally, regardless of their citizenship status.

"It's the first time I've certainly heard, publicly, him talking more about legal immigrants," said Eric Rodriguez, vice president for research and advocacy at the National Council of La Raza (NCLR). "I think that was certainly positive progress. We were absolutely concerned about not hearing that."

On Wednesday, hours before Mr. Obama's speech, the NCLR had given the administration a public scolding, demanding that Mr. Obama needed to make "a public commitment ... to ensure that those who are here legally are covered."

A White House spokesman did not respond to questions about where the White House would make the cutoff for eligibility, and Mr. Rodriguez said he's still waiting for an answer from the administration.

"We don't know where they mean to draw the line," he said. "Our biggest concern is that most people don't realize legal immigrants are currently barred from receiving health care benefits for the first five years in the country."

Under the 1996 welfare overhaul, most federal aid programs are restricted to citizens and legal immigrants who have been in the country for at least five years. Democrats have tried this year to chip away at that rule.

Immigration has dogged Mr. Obama in the health care debate. Rep. Joe Wilson, South Carolina Republican, shouted, "You lie," when the president, in an address to Congress last week, said his plans wouldn't cover illegal immigrants.

Lawmakers - who got an earful from constituents back home during August - have insisted on extra checks to make sure illegal immigrants do not have access to taxpayer-funded programs.

Senators have worked on language that would prevent illegal immigrants from buying insurance through a proposed insurance exchange envisioned in the health care reform package.

But the NCLR said that could lead to situations where some members of a family would be covered and others, including children of illegal immigrants, wouldn't be.

Mr. Obama said legalizing illegal immigrants is a way to take the sting out of the entire issue.

But Republicans said by pushing to legalize illegal immigrants, Mr. Obama is signaling that those here illegally eventually will get access to taxpayer-funded benefits.

Still, the push to pass a legalization bill is beginning to gain steam, even as advocates fret that the White House is moving too slowly.

On Thursday, Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez, Illinois Democrat and an outspoken advocate for legalization, agreed to take leadership in writing a new, more generous bill.

"We simply cannot wait any longer for a bill that keeps our families together, protects our workers and allows a pathway to legalization for those who have earned it," Mr. Gutierrez said. "Saying immigration is a priority for this administration or this Congress is not the same as seeing tangible action, and the longer we wait, the more every single piece of legislation we debate will be obstructed by our failure to pass comprehensive reform."
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I said this the day after that lie filled speech Obama gave, and guess what?   Joe Wilson was proven right.  More lies from Obama. 

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2009, 06:45:53 AM »
In that article it siad nothing about legalizing them, only:

Mr. Obama added, "If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country once and for all."

It's the repubs saying it's backdoor, "resolving the issue" is quite open to interpretation.

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2009, 06:49:35 AM »
In that article it siad nothing about legalizing them, only:

Mr. Obama added, "If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country once and for all."

It's the repubs saying it's backdoor, "resolving the issue" is quite open to interpretation.

Come on Bro, lets be real.  We all know whats going on here.  He will say the bill excludes illegal aliens, but once they are legal, they will be covered by thwe taxpayer footing the bill.

This is just another lie, deception, and "dont pay attention to the man behind the curtain" routine.     

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2009, 06:57:13 AM »
Maybe 333...that may be the intent, but I don't see it plainly stated in that article.
Nevertheless, there is real concern and question about the status of illegal and newly legal immigrants with regards to healthcare.  The fact that the left blamed Wilson's outburst on racism is coming from left field with zero evidence to substantiate it.  Thats crap.  Some people, including Wilson, think illegals may have access to gov healthcare if there is not a more stringent check system (which the dems voted down previously).

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 07:01:26 AM »
Come on Bro, lets be real.  We all know whats going on here.  He will say the bill excludes illegal aliens, but once they are legal, they will be covered by thwe taxpayer footing the bill.

This is just another lie, deception, and "dont pay attention to the man behind the curtain" routine.     

He knows that the American public will not support "just making" 12 mill--and it's alot more than that automatic citizens. And what about those in limbo, those on expired Visas, it would be such a tangled mess. And then, the slipperly slope happens, by making a person a "automatic citizens", there are are other things that that person wants, like everything in  their language, everything catered to me, so that I don't have to come out of my community---so that I can segregate myself from the others, then establish pockets, next states....and then Ah, possibly Civil War between, English speaking states and Spanish, kinda like liek the Slave States versus the the free states...

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 07:06:35 AM »
Maybe 333...that may be the intent, but I don't see it plainly stated in that article.
Nevertheless, there is real concern and question about the status of illegal and newly legal immigrants with regards to healthcare.  The fact that the left blamed Wilson's outburst on racism is coming from left field with zero evidence to substantiate it.  Thats crap.  Some people, including Wilson, think illegals may have access to gov healthcare if there is not a more stringent check system (which the dems voted down previously).

Here is Obamas quote:

Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don't simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken," Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. "That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else.

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Obama is not dumb enough to admit that since he knows he will lose the fools who actually still believe his lies.  I dont need to name names around here.    

What does this quote say to you?  If you take the two sentences together it makes perfect sense.  

Unless there is explicit language put into the bill that newly minted citizens or those given amnesty will be specifically excluded, they will be covered as soon as this plan and amnesty go through.  Additionally, these newly minted citizens will sue under the 14th amendment for coverage and will win if they are excluded from the plan.    

Obama is shrewd and knows what he is doing.  He cant do amnesty first and he knows it.  

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2009, 07:28:00 AM »
33,

ANY president is going to try amnesty for the illegals.  Bush, mccain, and yes, even palin, should she win in 2012 or 2016.


(Although I don't think 2016 is an option - once she starts to look older, the milf factor goes away and repubs stop thinking with their boner and start looking for qualified candidates)

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2009, 07:32:02 AM »
33,

ANY president is going to try amnesty for the illegals.  Bush, mccain, and yes, even palin, should she win in 2012 or 2016.

(Although I don't think 2016 is an option - once she starts to look older, the milf factor goes away and repubs stop thinking with their boner and start looking for qualified candidates)

Just as the McCain/Bush/Kennedy/Graham amnesty was defeated, so will the Obama/McCain amnesty be defeated. 

Its simply ridiclous to add to the employment situation by minting millions of new citizens to compete with existing citizens who cant find work. 


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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2009, 07:44:25 AM »
Just as the McCain/Bush/Kennedy/Graham amnesty was defeated, so will the Obama/McCain amnesty be defeated. 

maybe.  economy bad, which leans toward no amnesty.  however, hispanic voters are a big deal.  They're not gonna be a big factor in 2010, as mid-term elections are mostly old people and R's do great.  But in 2012, hispanic vote is gonna make/break who wins.  They showed up big time for Obama in 08.  Maybe they wait til 2011 to suck up to hispanic voters?


Its simply ridiclous to add to the employment situation by minting millions of new citizens to compete with existing citizens who cant find work. 

agreed.

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2009, 07:57:16 AM »
maybe.  economy bad, which leans toward no amnesty.  however, hispanic voters are a big deal.  They're not gonna be a big factor in 2010, as mid-term elections are mostly old people and R's do great.  But in 2012, hispanic vote is gonna make/break who wins.  They showed up big time for Obama in 08.  Maybe they wait til 2011 to suck up to hispanic voters?


agreed.

As you have just said in simple terms is the reason I FUCKING HATE POLITICIANS!

Why is amnesty even an option? Lets see the first act of a person in America is to break the law, lets reward them for that ::)
I keep seeing the same thing over and over, we have to reform immigration, why? I think it should be fucking hard to get into America, that you have to be able to offer something to this country before you get in.
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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2009, 08:03:09 AM »
amnesty is stupid, I think most of us agree on that.

If you don't want to alientate hispanic voters, fine, don't kick the illegals out.  But purposely making them legal to kiss their ass further = not cool.  And both parties will do it.  The R's will do it because they dont want them dems calling them the party that hates brown people.  Given the probable higher % of an illegal getting food stamps or welfare (once made legal), it's a great move for dems.  All the R's can do is say "me too!" and hope they don't lose *that many* new votes).

This is all about getting ppl to show up in the booths.

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2009, 08:22:32 AM »
Maybe 333...that may be the intent, but I don't see it plainly stated in that article.
Nevertheless, there is real concern and question about the status of illegal and newly legal immigrants with regards to healthcare.  The fact that the left blamed Wilson's outburst on racism is coming from left field with zero evidence to substantiate it.  Thats crap.  Some people, including Wilson, think illegals may have access to gov healthcare if there is not a more stringent check system (which the dems voted down previously).

I didn't see it either but that won't stop 333 and people like him from "seeing" it and being outraged

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2009, 08:35:38 AM »
I didn't see it either but that won't stop 333 and people like him from "seeing" it and being outraged

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2009, 08:48:58 AM »
Here's the quote you've highlighted.

The salient text is "I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else"

When that quote goes through the brain of a nut like you it comes out at as:   "I want to legalize illegals"

He didn't say anything of the kind but of course you think it OBVIOUS what he really means right?

Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don't simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken," Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. "That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else.

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2009, 08:51:40 AM »
Here's the quote you've highlighted.

The salient text is "I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else"

When that quote goes through the brain of a nut like you it comes out at as:   "I want to legalize illegals"

He didn't say anything of the kind but of course you think it OBVIOUS what he really means right?

Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don't simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken," Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. "That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else.

However, he has already promised amnesty to illegal aliens and La Raza on numerous occasions.   You cant ignore that fact in that qoute.   

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2009, 08:58:50 AM »
amnesty is stupid, I think most of us agree on that.

If you don't want to alientate hispanic voters, fine, don't kick the illegals out.  But purposely making them legal to kiss their ass further = not cool.  And both parties will do it.  The R's will do it because they dont want them dems calling them the party that hates brown people.  Given the probable higher % of an illegal getting food stamps or welfare (once made legal), it's a great move for dems.  All the R's can do is say "me too!" and hope they don't lose *that many* new votes).

This is all about getting ppl to show up in the booths.

And make it seem like they are doing those same people a favor in the process...A "I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine", but you don't really know, that you are really scratching both our backs.

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2009, 09:00:32 AM »
at the very least he is playing both sides and telling each what they want to hear...at the very worst he is indeed planning on moving toward amnesty

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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2009, 09:03:34 AM »
However, he has already promised amnesty to illegal aliens and La Raza on numerous occasions.   You cant ignore that fact in that qoute.   

that "fact" is not in that quote and given your weird interpretations of almost everything I'd need to see the quote you're talking about.

does amnesty = legal or is it some other fuzzy designation?  Obama can't even get a decent health care bill so I'm not losing any sleep that the guy trimming the trees in my backyard is going to get some healthcare (which he'll have to pay for like everyone else)

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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2009, 09:05:58 AM »
at the very least he is playing both sides and telling each what they want to hear...at the very worst he is indeed planning on moving toward amnesty

He wants amnesty this year.  Check out the third clip.    







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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2009, 09:06:55 AM »
Its all about votes Straw. 

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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2009, 09:09:51 AM »
that "fact" is not in that quote and given your weird interpretations of almost everything I'd need to see the quote you're talking about.

straw 333's interpretation isnt a leap of logic if you read what he said or have listened to him in the past.

Problem is you want indisputable proof but then act suprised like you got hit in the face with it...

Dont think that if an incident happens that lends itself to push their agenda amnesty, gun control etc. they wont do it just like they did with the porkulus bill.

you need me to play that famous clip of rahm again?

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2009, 09:12:34 AM »
Kind of confused here.

Obama didn't lie... Also, almost everyone believes there should be immigration reform.

You don't believe there should be?

It's pretty widely believed that the immigration system is, in fact, broken.

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2009, 09:18:05 AM »
Kind of confused here.

Obama didn't lie... Also, almost everyone believes there should be immigration reform.

You don't believe there should be?

It's pretty widely believed that the immigration system is, in fact, broken.
LOL not to get off topic here but what govt system isnt broken?

why would we want yet another govt system that runs healthcare?

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2009, 09:18:48 AM »
Yes - we need reform.  We need to make it easier to become a citizen, but not ease the requirements.  We need to deport any and all illegals convicted of a felony.  We need to forbid the anchor baby situation like Canada did.  We need to cut off all the ESL garbage as well.    

However, Obama is playing word games like always to unsspecting people who dont know how to put two or three sentences together in their collective context.

Re-read the quote highlighted in red.  What does that tell you?  

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Re: Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care (Joe Wilson was right!)
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2009, 09:23:42 AM »
Yes - we need reform.  We need to make it easier to become a citizen, but not ease the requirements.  We need to deport any and all illegals convicted of a felony.  We need to forbid the anchor baby situation like Canada did.  We need to cut off all the ESL garbage as well.     

However, Obama is playing word games like always to unsspecting people who dont know how to put two or three sentences together in their collective context.

Re-read the quote highlighted in red.  What does that tell you? 

It tells me he believes legalized citizens of this country should have healthcare.

It doesn't tell you that?

It also says that Obama believes that it should be easier to become a legal immigrant of this country.

Maybe you're reading words that I'm not.