Chick's Olympia Thread

[lax]

Former BBers (Olympians or not) dont necessarily make the best judges...that said, Vicky Gates, Linda Wood-Hoyt, John Hnatychack, Dorian Yates, Albert Beccles, etc have all judged or are still judging to this day..

agreed
this was a suggestion by Frank Zane, who also has submitted to Ben Weider that the Vacuum should be a mandatory pose

[Chick]

agreed
this was a suggestion by Frank Zane, who also has submitted to Ben Weider that the Vacuum should be a mandatory pose

LOL...of course, as it was his signature pose....the MM was also a mandatory but try to find a pic of Zane in a crab shot

[lax]

LOL...of course, as it was his signature pose....the MM was also a mandatory but try to find a pic of Zane in a crab shot

You can't
he'd always do the one hand on hip other hand flexed MM
and
As you can guess, he wanted the vacuum to try to temper burgeoning guts
you know Zane
a good guy
but kinda out there

[Chick]

You can't
he'd always do the one hand on hip other hand flexed MM
and
As you can guess, he wanted the vacuum to try to temper burgeoning guts
you know Zane
a good guy
but kinda out there

Exactly....self serving (not that I'm surprised)...I'm sure Sergio would have liked the hands overhead pose as a mandatory, and Chuck Sipes would have liked the forearm pose included, and Dorian would have liked the single Bi/ calf shot.....

[lax]

Exactly....self serving (not that I'm surprised)...I'm sure Sergio would have liked the hands overhead pose as a mandatory, and Chuck Sipes would have liked the forearm pose included, and Dorian would have liked the single Bi/ calf shot.....

Chick, Chuck Sipes forearms mentioned by you reminds me of a pose asked for in late 70's early 80's called the 'gooseneck' to show forearms

ever had to do that one? I did as a teen...and funny, no teens had any forarm dev to show!

[Figo]

I know that only two former Olympia competitors judge:

Katz
Gaspari

Unless there are others...Chick?

Maybe the entire judging panel should be former Mr. O winners.

After all, they are all still alive and lucent.

Its always gona be subjective anyway, so why not? At least those guys been there, done that...

BTW, great thread, Chick!

[karu]

All Bob did was give a politically correct BS answer that Wayne was feeding them all these years.

Truth is Bobby knows it helps to cozy up to the judges, just ask Rockell.

Hell Bob couldn't even answer this question (he deleted it in a fit of rage, when I mentioned this fact)


During the Men's Pre-judging, it appears that Dan Solomon and Larry Pepe were on color commentating duties. When Ronny Rockell hit the stage their commentary was that if...

 Ronny had a better grasp of the English language, were more popular with the fans and had more of a presence on U.S. soil he would place higher.

 My question is what does his ability to speak English and popularity with the 'fans' have to do with it? Isn't the Mr. Olympia about who has the best physique?


Bob, have you had a word with Dan / Pepe for suggesting politics exists in the IFBB?

Bob, I am so glad you put this "1 bad/corrupt judge can fix the contest" myth.

[karu]

the update is:

Now than Manion is running the IFBB,

it is now simply an extension of the NPC, and not the international organization that it used to be.

How many non-American judges again?

Bob, I haven't had a chance to read all these postings so this could be a repeat ..... but ......

Years ago someone or some reliable organization attempted to improve upon the NPC judging system/procedures and came to the conclusion that it worked as well as possible and should not be changed. (I do kind of recall that we went from 5 judges to 9 after that "study".)

Back then the IFBB judging system was entirely different from the NPC way of doing things.

I am no longer knowledgeable on how the IFBB judging is done but there was some move afoot a few years back to judge the IFBB pros just like the NPC judges the NPC amateurs.

Can you update me/us on that subject?

And does anyone recall the AAU Bodybuilding Judging Procedures? I've got that AAU Handbook stored away someplace but it would take some time and traveling to find it. (Also have the original IFBB steroid "guidelines" which I'll look for one of these days. Anyone else have a copy that it immediately available?)

Thanks, Bob.

[Figo]

Obviously anyone associated with bbing big time will be deemed suspect of aas "dealing".

Judging, is subjective, since its the interpretation of what the guys look like according to one individuals opinion, which will differ across the panel, and competitors and fans will have yet another opinion. Also consider personal relationships of judges and competitors, wether the judges like them or not, they're human, so it will happen.

The Ronny thing, even Arnold was advised to move out, so was Gunter and Nasser. The more exposure you get in the US, the more magazine-shoots/covers, shows, guest-posings you are gonna do. Thats going to put you in the judges mind, they're gonna remember you, and notice you.
Didnt hurt Dorian though.

[Howard]

Former BBers (Olympians or not) dont necessarily make the best judges...that said, Vicky Gates, Linda Wood-Hoyt, John Hnatychack, Dorian Yates, Albert Beccles, etc have all judged or are still judging to this day..

Yes but some former  pros make dman good MC's I think 

How would you rate (0-10) your MC attire this yr compared to years past.
Considering that the infamous Capt Crunch Jacket would be a 10 and reg suit a 5, etc
Hehe, had to do it Bob, sorry

[YoungBlood]

LOL...of course, as it was his signature pose....the MM was also a mandatory but try to find a pic of Zane in a crab shot

In Arnold's Encyclopedia, Zane was said to have felt too small to do the traditional crab MM, hence why you never see him doing that shot. Not that you probably have never seen that quote...I just find it funny that you say Zane suggested the vacuum as a mandatory, which I feel is far more necessary than the MM as a mandatory. I guess I view as funny because Zane can pull off one with flying colors and the other not so much (due to his lack of overall mass), but his suggestion was not the one that was implemented.

[stuntmovie]

I've asked IFBB pros if they'd like to sit in as NPC judges (I recall asking three well known pros), but in each case they refused for various reasons ......

...." I'm not qualified."

...." I don't want to upset the contestants nor the fans."

.... "I have to be backstage getting ready to guest pose or on the road promoting the contest."

These "invites" were done as a 'courtesty' and no one expected them to accept.

In fact I can't recall any IFBB pro sitting in as a judging official in any NPC contest that I was involved with.

[Chick]

Hey Bob now that bb.com was raided for illegal drugs, are any of your employers not associated with crime?

If you knew what you were talking about (which you clearly do not)...the employees have nothing to do with it. It's even subjective that BB.com has anything to do with it....what it has to do with is the governments insistance to get their hands on and regulate a industry that brings in billions of dollars a year and the pharmacuitical industrys tie in...

Were talking about Pro-hormones, and the gray area in which they occupy, not a supp, not a steroid...BB.com doesnt manufacture supps...individual companies do, which we stock and sell.


Instead of wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on this witch hunt of the supplement market...the goverment sits back and does NOTHING about alcohol/ tobacco which are LEGAL and account for more deaths per year than any other single factor, ar any of them combined...

Bottom line is, thereis big $$$$$$$$ in keeping people sick and the business of dying/ death...no money for the govt in keeping people healthy and alive.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

If you knew what you were talking about (which you clearly do not)...the employees have nothing to do with it. It's even subjective that BB.com has anything to do with it....what it has to do with is the governments insistance to get their hands on and regulate a industry that brings in billions of dollars a year and the pharmacuitical industrys tie in...

Were talking about Pro-hormones, and the gray area in which they occupy, not a supp, not a steroid...BB.com doesnt manufacture supps...individual companies do, which we stock and sell.


Instead of wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on this witch hunt of the supplement market...the goverment sits back and does NOTHING about alcohol/ tobacco which are LEGAL and account for more deaths per year than any other single factor, ar any of them combined...

Bottom line is, thereis big $$$$$$$$ in keeping people sick and the business of dying/ death...no money for the govt in keeping people healthy and alive.

While that's true Bob, BB.com refused to acknowledge a warning letter from the FDA and even sent back a letter stating that they were not going to even comply which in my opinion was not a great idea.  

There's a time to stick to your guns and there's a time to keep your steel in the holster.  If BB.com simply stopped selling the products in question and complied with the request, they would not have had to raid the facility.  I agree that there are other products like tobacco and alcohol that are much more dangerous but there's a time and place for battle and that wasn't the time

[V Man]

While that's true Bob, BB.com refused to acknowledge a warning letter from the FDA and even sent back a letter stating that they were not going to even comply which in my opinion was not a great idea. 

There's a time to stick to your guns and there's a time to keep your steel in the holster.  If BB.com simply stopped selling the products in question and complied with the request, we would not have had to raid the facility.  I agree that there are other products like tobacco and alcohol that are much more dangerous but there's a time and place for battle and that wasn't the time

You're with the FDA?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

You're with the FDA?

typo...sorry.  I meant they

[V Man]

typo...sorry.  I meant they

LOL, don't believe you...I think you just blew your cover Wiggum.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

LOL, don't believe you...I think you just blew your cover Wiggum.

 
It was a typo, dipshit.  I think everyone knows that I don't work for the FDA.

[V Man]

 
It was a typo, dipshit.  I think everyone knows that I don't work for the FDA.

That's what they USED to think.

[The Showstoppa]

 
It was a typo, dipshit.  I think everyone knows that I don't work for the FDA.

CSN MFT FDA CIA FBI

[Aaron Singerman]

If you knew what you were talking about (which you clearly do not)...the employees have nothing to do with it. It's even subjective that BB.com has anything to do with it....what it has to do with is the governments insistance to get their hands on and regulate a industry that brings in billions of dollars a year and the pharmacuitical industrys tie in...

Were talking about Pro-hormones, and the gray area in which they occupy, not a supp, not a steroid...BB.com doesnt manufacture supps...individual companies do, which we stock and sell.


Instead of wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on this witch hunt of the supplement market...the goverment sits back and does NOTHING about alcohol/ tobacco which are LEGAL and account for more deaths per year than any other single factor, ar any of them combined...

Bottom line is, thereis big $$$$$$$$ in keeping people sick and the business of dying/ death...no money for the govt in keeping people healthy and alive.

Such bullshit... sickening...

[NaturalWonder83]

Such bullshit... sickening...

agreed

[AVBG]

Such bullshit... sickening...

reminds (Chick) of Carl, doesn't he?

[flexingtonsteele]

If you knew what you were talking about (which you clearly do not)...the employees have nothing to do with it. It's even subjective that BB.com has anything to do with it....what it has to do with is the governments insistance to get their hands on and regulate a industry that brings in billions of dollars a year and the pharmacuitical industrys tie in...

Were talking about Pro-hormones, and the gray area in which they occupy, not a supp, not a steroid...BB.com doesnt manufacture supps...individual companies do, which we stock and sell.


Instead of wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on this witch hunt of the supplement market...the goverment sits back and does NOTHING about alcohol/ tobacco which are LEGAL and account for more deaths per year than any other single factor, ar any of them combined...

Bottom line is, thereis big $$$$$$$$ in keeping people sick and the business of dying/ death...no money for the govt in keeping people healthy and alive.

theres so much fukin truth in that post its not even funny! kudos bob

and what they also dont realize is, once they get these prohormones off the market, all thats gonna cause is ur avg everday gym goer to look to alternative routes. i.e, steroids.

[Chick]

theres so much fukin truth in that post its not even funny! kudos bob

and what they also dont realize is, once they get these prohormones off the market, all thats gonna cause is ur avg everday gym goer to look to alternative routes. i.e, steroids.

Whats funny is that the current list of prohormones are the ones that replaced the OLD ones...all they do is make the scientists go back to the lab and invent a new batch with a different name that doesnt fit into the old criteria...

I'm still trying to figure out what the downfall is....no one is knocking over banks or old Lady's, or ending up in rehab, or taking out their families, or going broke, etc...but, as I stated earlier..smoking, alcohol, obesity, gambling, etc are all legal and accepted...and encouraged.


Welfare fraud, unemployment, deadbeat dads, crime, taxes, healthcare, pedo's, rec drug dealers,  corrupt politicians/ cops...things the govt SHOULD be focusing their (OUR) money and attention on...

What do they choose to pursue? Steroids and prostitution...two victimless "crimes"