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Earl1972 · « **Reply #400 on:** December 07, 2010, 03:08:19 PM »

Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on December 07, 2010, 01:16:47 PM

yeah Earl....I get it. Anybody playing behind Ben is considered 4th string. We were lucky to win.

But good luck keeping Ben healthy for the rest of the season with that shitty O-line. Suggs and Ngata lived in the Steelers backfield all game long.

batch was 4th sting, that is a fact he would've been cut if leftwich didn't get hurt

ben is always unhealthy and all teams live in the steeler backfield, no worries

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body88 · « **Reply #401 on:** December 07, 2010, 07:36:28 PM »

Quote from: BerzerkFury on December 07, 2010, 08:00:50 PM

ESPN experts think otherwise.

Atlanta #1
Pats #2.

They're playing the best football. They're soundly beating teams like the Packers, who are legit contenders.

And where did I rave about New Orleans? I said they're entertaining to watch. Their defense, much like the Pats, has never impressed me.

What quality opponents besides the Jets have the Pats beat soundly? I'll give you the Pittsburgh game but who else? The Colts? Peyton could have, and should have, won that game. Baltimore? In OT?

You don't get blown out by the Browns and still be able to lay claim to the best team in the NFL. Especially when the other 10-2 team can chalk up its losses to week 1 against Pittsburgh and recently against Philly (a title contender, something the Browns are not).

Your stats are a smoke screen. Teams with losing records regularly have great passing and rushing stats
Three stats matter: ppg, total points allowed and turnovers.

Pats = Highest ppg in the nfl vs tough defenses, and as a whole. Scoring an avg of five points more per game vs. the Falcons.

Pats = Large amount of turnovers generated. Falcons do a good job at this too, but I don't think they make big plays at key times.

Total points allowed = Falcons allowing 3 less points per game, which is offset + 3 by the patriots scoring advantage.

Pats = Poor statstial defense , that makes big plays and turns the ball over...just like last years saints (who you raved about), it's the same fucking team, dude.

Who gives a shit about the Pats losing the the Browns? They have killed several of the best teams in the NFL, and beat the snot out of the team you said was the best team in the NFL a few weeks ago. So they lost to one bad team and to a team far better than the Eagles in the Jets. They've also beat opponents much more soundly than the eagles. Right now, they are playing the best football.

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #402 on:** December 07, 2010, 07:59:35 PM »

Quote from: Earl1972 on December 07, 2010, 03:08:19 PM

batch was 4th sting, that is a fact he would've been cut if leftwich didn't get hurt

ben is always unhealthy and all teams live in the steeler backfield, no worries

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He would've been cut anyway. No team keeps 4 quarterbacks on a 52 man roster. Qb's hardly ever make the practice squad. Skill position players are to valuable so no team is going to roll with 4 QB's during a full NFL season.

You just love to discount the Ravens wins simply because Ben didn't play in those games. Again, Ben doesn't play defense. In the NFL, it's next man up. You roll with what you have. Sure, Ben's valuable but we also beat you back in September with #43 playing in your secondary.

Fury · « **Reply #403 on:** December 07, 2010, 08:00:50 PM »

ESPN experts think otherwise.

Atlanta #1
Pats #2.

They're playing the best football. They're soundly beating teams like the Packers, who are legit contenders.

And where did I rave about New Orleans? I said they're entertaining to watch. Their defense, much like the Pats, has never impressed me.

What quality opponents besides the Jets have the Pats beat soundly? I'll give you the Pittsburgh game but who else? The Colts? Peyton could have, and should have, won that game. Baltimore? In OT?

You don't get blown out by the Browns and still be able to lay claim to the best team in the NFL. Especially when the other 10-2 team can chalk up its losses to week 1 against Pittsburgh and recently against Philly (a title contender, something the Browns are not).

body88 · « **Reply #404 on:** December 07, 2010, 08:07:24 PM »

ESPN's power ranking as a cog in your argument? Ok, forget it..

Fox has the Pats at 1, it must be true: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings

Of course you didn't address the statistical points I made (as always); arguing with you is pointless, as your ridiculous and childish need to discredit the patriots at every turn is clouding your ability to have a discussion.

You're the "could have" "should have" king.

Yes, the Falcons super impressive 16-14 win over the niners was a statement of their dominance.

Agree to disagree.

Earl1972 · « **Reply #405 on:** December 07, 2010, 09:05:00 PM »

Quote from: UPINTHEMGUTS on December 07, 2010, 07:59:35 PM

He would've been cut anyway. No team keeps 4 quarterbacks on a 52 man roster. Qb's hardly ever make the practice squad. Skill position players are to valuable so no team is going to roll with 4 QB's during a full NFL season.

You just love to discount the Ravens wins simply because Ben didn't play in those games. Again, Ben doesn't play defense. In the NFL, it's next man up. You roll with what you have. Sure, Ben's valuable but we also beat you back in September with #43 playing in your secondary.

so he was a 3rd string qb then? is that what you are saying?

you don't think ben not playing helped your team? ravens haven't beaten him since 06 when he was still fucked from the motorcycle accident, face it he has your teams number

troy was sent on a blitz when flacco threw that td pass in sept, the blitz worked well last sunday

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Fury · « **Reply #406 on:** December 08, 2010, 06:27:18 AM »

Quote from: body88 on December 07, 2010, 08:07:24 PM

ESPN's power ranking as a cog in your argument? Ok, forget it..

Fox has the Pats at 1, it must be true: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings

Of course you didn't address the statistical points I made (as always); arguing with you is pointless, as your ridiculous and childish need to discredit the patriots at every turn is clouding your ability to have a discussion.

You're the "could have" "should have" king.

Yes, the Falcons super impressive 16-14 win over the niners was a statement of their dominance.

Agree to disagree.

What statistical points? You mean your opinion that the Pats will be able to continue creating big turnovers? Relying on a sub-par defense to make turnovers won't win you a Super Bowl. Funny that hearsay and speculation translates to statistical analysis these days.

I'm more interested in numbers and the numbers say the Falcons are statistically better in 3 of the 4 major categories. You can spin it anyway you want to try to show that Pats are statistically better (they're not).

body88 · « **Reply #407 on:** December 08, 2010, 06:45:02 AM »

Quote from: BerzerkFury on December 08, 2010, 06:27:18 AM

What statistical points? You mean your opinion that the Pats will be able to continue creating big turnovers? Relying on a sub-par defense to make turnovers won't win you a Super Bowl. Funny that hearsay and speculation translates to statistical analysis these days.

I'm more interested in numbers and the numbers say the Falcons are statistically better in 3 of the 4 major categories. You can spin it anyway you want to try to show that Pats are statistically better (they're not).

Then Pay attention to stats that I posted.

Three stats matter (actually four including games won): Points per game, turnovers and total points allowed.

-Pats = Highest ppg in the nfl vs tough defenses, and as a whole. Scoring five more points per game than the Falcons.

-Pats = Large amount of int's and turnovers generated. Falcons do a good job at this to as well, but I don't think they make big plays at key times like the Patriots do.

-Total points allowed = Falcons allowing 3 less points per game, which is offset + 2 by the patriots scoring advantage. Frankly the defenses are very close.
Total points allowed is the stat that matters, who gives a fuck about how many yards they give up? It's the points that matter! You can give up 300 yards, but if it only turns into 10 points then it's a job well done.

Conclusion = at worst these teams are even...But if you look at my stats, the Patriots are a bit better do to the fact they score more points per game. There is no trickery involved. It's points scored vs points allowed vs turnovers created, real easy, dude. Not the mumbo-jumbo you posted.

As I said, bad teams often have great rushing and passing stats, so who gives a shit? The Chargers were leading the NFL in every offensive/defensive category when they where what 2-7? You want examples of teams that have won the superbowl with really good offenses and poor defenses? How about the Colts and the Saints. You had a hard on for both those teams during their runs, and now you've changed your tune, ha. Translation = I say whatever I can to discredit the Pats no matter what type of evidence I am presented.

There is no hersay involved in my argument. The stats I provided are from NFL.com. Apparently you don't understand them.

Lastly, how do I know the Pats will continue to create turnovers? Based on 12 games and the stats. How do you know the Falcons will continue to do what they do? Prob based on 12 games and the stats

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #408 on:** December 09, 2010, 08:23:40 AM »

Quote from: Earl1972 on December 07, 2010, 09:05:00 PM

so he was a 3rd string qb then? is that what you are saying?

you don't think ben not playing helped your team? ravens haven't beaten him since 06 when he was still fucked from the motorcycle accident, face it he has your teams number

troy was sent on a blitz when flacco threw that td pass in sept, the blitz worked well last sunday

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Yeah, gotcha. You keep saying the same rap every post. You're so ridiculous. Ben was 'fucked' in 2006.

If he was fucked he wouldn't have been out there playing.

You don't think the Ravens not having Le' Ron Mclain, Heap, and a healthy Oher didn't help the Steelers last Sunday? Le'ron always is a beast against the Steelers and he would have helped out our running game, BIGTIME. But the thing is, is that I don't make injury excuses when we lose to the Steelers. That's your job to do for the games that the Ravens win.

Yeah, I know Ben has the Ravens number. But there will come a time very shortly where his ass is grassed. Not only that but I would much rather play Ben and the Steelers than Manning and the Colts. At least the Ravens/Steelers games are close.

Enjoy cheering and supporting your douchebag of a QB. Won't be long before he fucks up again. But as long as he's winning now, that's all that matters, right?

Earl1972 · « **Reply #409 on:** December 09, 2010, 10:13:14 AM »

so you're saying ben was perfectly fine in 06? why do you use oher as an excuse then?

steelers were missing 2 o lineman not including flozell adams who left the game early, don't forget that cheap shot on heath miller that took him out, no aaron smith on the d line

i think it's a valid point that the ravens haven't beaten big ben since 06, not an excuse

yes i will continue supporting a man that has never been charged with a crime, you on the other hand are cheering for a man charged and put on trial for murder in ray lewis, and a man thrown in jail for murder in donte stallworth

choke on that, slapnuts

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UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #410 on:** December 09, 2010, 10:49:31 AM »

Ben was fine enough to play. If your QB is injured to such a degree, he won't play. He was fine in 2006. Agree to disagree on that one.

Oher had to play but his lateral movement was affected by the previous game's knee injury. Besides, his backup has never started a game in the NFL.

The fact that the state's DA threw out the case was because he was too much of a pussy to go head-to head with the Big Ben's high priced jew attorney. Ben's financial status and pedigree got that case thrown out more than anything.

Lewis didn't kill anybody. Wrong place, wrong time, with the wrong kind of friends from his childhood. His only mistake was keeping with dirtbag, ghetto leeching friends. Since 2000, have you heard so much as a peep from Ray Lewis' personal life? Nope.

Last time I checked, Ben was a two time loser with a now very short leash in the NFL.

No excuse for Stallworth. But he paid his dues and that's the end of it.

Earl1972 · « **Reply #411 on:** December 09, 2010, 05:42:33 PM »

ok it was a coincidence ben played like a chicken with his head cut off throughout the 06 season

you just keep believing the words of an under 21 skank with a fake id that followed ben from bar to bar across town, and a whack job that told all her coworkers "i can't wait to have a little roethlisberger"

why couldn't ray pay anybody off? you can always judge a person by the company they keep, if ray was friends with murderers he isn't much better

stallworth is a convicted murderer, where do you get the nerve to talk shit about ben who is guilty of nothing more than being a cocky jerk that thinks he's better than most? did you cheer for that murderer when he caught that long pass from flacco?

"paid his dues" so all should be forgiven and forgotten

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UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #412 on:** December 10, 2010, 07:36:16 AM »

Quote from: Earl1972 on December 09, 2010, 05:42:33 PM

ok it was a coincidence ben played like a chicken with his head cut off throughout the 06 season

you just keep believing the words of an under 21 skank with a fake id that followed ben from bar to bar across town, and a whack job that told all her coworkers "i can't wait to have a little roethlisberger"

why couldn't ray pay anybody off? you can always judge a person by the company they keep, if ray was friends with murderers he isn't much better

stallworth is a convicted murderer, where do you get the nerve to talk shit about ben who is guilty of nothing more than being a cocky jerk that thinks he's better than most? did you cheer for that murderer when he caught that long pass from flacco?

"paid his dues" so all should be forgiven and forgotten

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Hey....this country is all about giving 2nd chances. Ben is proof that we now believe in 3rd chances.

Ray didn't pay anybody off. He plead guilty to obstruction of justice with the DA. Ray was 24 years old at the time of all that bullshit. He's 35 years old now and doesn't hang with young hoodlums. Nearly all 1st or 2nd year NFL players(especially from the U. of Miami.) keep a small entourage and Ray had a lot of growing up to do when he entered the league. He was a cocky asshole in his first few years in Baltimore and he really wasn't well-liked locally, to be perfectfully honest. Let's just say that the 2000 trial was real opener to get his shit together. I'll be the first to admit that he was lucky he avoided jail time.

But he didn't murder anyone in the first place, it's really stupid for anyone to pin that on him these days. But hey, haters gonna hate.

Earl1972 · « **Reply #413 on:** December 10, 2010, 10:00:48 AM »

again ben has been charged with nothing, so what is all this "chance" talk?

it's stupid to compare ben to ray

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Fury · « **Reply #414 on:** December 19, 2010, 08:42:15 PM »

Pats struggle to beat a Packers team with a QB making his first ever career start. Not impressed.

body88 · « **Reply #415 on:** December 19, 2010, 08:57:29 PM »

Quote from: BerzerkFury on December 19, 2010, 08:42:15 PM

Pats struggle to beat a Packers team with a QB making his first ever career start. Not impressed.

Lol, at your OBSESSION with the Patriots. It's ALL you post about. You don't post about your team, the Giants, and had nothing to say about their massive chokejob today. You never have anything to say, unless it's regarding your massive complex with the Red Sox and Patriots. It's pure comedy, keep it up!

Haters gonna hate!!! 12-2, buddy.

Right Desean!!!!!

Fury · « **Reply #416 on:** December 20, 2010, 06:54:07 AM »

Quote from: body88 on December 19, 2010, 08:57:29 PM

Lol, at your OBSESSION with the Patriots. It's ALL you post about. You don't post about your team, the Giants, and had nothing to say about their massive chokejob today. You never have anything to say, unless it's regarding your massive complex with the Red Sox and Patriots. It's pure comedy, keep it up!

Haters gonna hate!!! 12-2, buddy.

Right Desean!!!!!

What's there to say besides acknowledging that the Giants, once again, beat themselves? Take away the turnovers and idiotic mistakes like that punt and they're 13-1. There isn't a team in the NFL that has managed to beat themselves more than the GMen.

I'm commenting on the Pats as you've spent the last 2 pages of this thread once again anointing them the greatest team to ever grace the field (sounds eerily similar to a certain undefeated regular season year) yet they once again struggled to beat a team you claim they're better than. Is it safe to assume that a Rodgers-led Pack would've beaten them by 2-3 TDs?

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #417 on:** December 20, 2010, 07:31:14 AM »

Ravens get a signature win against the Saints. With two games to play and a recent Steelers loss, the Ravens still have a shot to win the division. Without Troy P, the Steelers are a completely different team on defense. No question Troy should be the defensive player of the year. So valuable. If the division title depends on it, Troy will play in the regular season finale.

Either way, the Ravens are playoff bound whether it be at home or on the road. We seem to play much better when we're not the favorites so playing on the road in the postseason is just fine with me.

Terrell Suggs continues to play like a monster this season. 1 sack (11 on the year) and a forced fumble against the Saints.

CalvinH · « **Reply #418 on:** December 20, 2010, 07:36:01 AM »

Quote from: BerzerkFury on December 20, 2010, 06:54:07 AM

What's there to say besides acknowledging that the Giants, once again, beat themselves? Take away the turnovers and idiotic mistakes like that punt and they're 13-1. There isn't a team in the NFL that has managed to beat themselves more than the GMen.

I'm commenting on the Pats as you've spent the last 2 pages of this thread once again anointing them the greatest team to ever grace the field (sounds eerily similar to a certain undefeated regular season year) yet they once again struggled to beat a team you claim they're better than. Is it safe to assume that a Rodgers-led Pack would've beaten them by 2-3 TDs?

I wanna kick Matt Dodge and the special teams coach right in the nuts

Doug_Steele · « **Reply #419 on:** December 20, 2010, 09:16:30 AM »

Quote from: CalvinH on December 20, 2010, 07:36:01 AM

I wanna kick Matt Dodge and the special teams coach right in the nuts

He said that the snap was high and he did not have a chance to kick it out of bounds.

UPINTHEMGUTS · « **Reply #420 on:** December 20, 2010, 10:06:46 AM »

Quote from: Doug_Steele on December 20, 2010, 09:16:30 AM

He said that the snap was high and he did not have a chance to kick it out of bounds.

Bullshit. The snap went right into his breadbasket and he kicked a line drive. No time for the coverage team to bear down on Jackson because of the lack of hang time. He's a fucking rookie. To blame it on the snap is ridiculous and his comment is probably going to cause a rift in the locker room. He experienced a brain fart under pressue, simple as that.

CalvinH · « **Reply #421 on:** December 20, 2010, 10:10:05 AM »

Quote from: Doug_Steele on December 20, 2010, 09:16:30 AM

He said that the snap was high and he did not have a chance to kick it out of bounds.

He was TOLD to kick the fucken ball outta bounds but for some reason he didn't....he has sucked all damn year!

Doug_Steele · « **Reply #422 on:** December 20, 2010, 10:17:43 AM »

Quote from: CalvinH on December 20, 2010, 10:10:05 AM

He was TOLD to kick the fucken ball outta bounds but for some reason he didn't....he has sucked all damn year!

Manningham had a good game.

I just do not understand why you guys went away from your bread and butter which is giving it to Bradshaw and Jacobs.

CalvinH · « **Reply #423 on:** December 20, 2010, 10:23:27 AM »

Quote from: Doug_Steele on December 20, 2010, 10:17:43 AM

Manningham had a good game. I just do not understand why you guys went away from your bread and butter which is giving it to Bradshaw and Jacobs.

His fumble led to a Eagles TD $:-\$ ...but besides that he played very well.Eagles were playing 8 in the box making it tough to run.

Fury · « **Reply #424 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:02:18 PM »

The failed punt's not even that big of a deal. Giving up three TDs in 7 minutes is another story. The punt was just the icing on a massive collapse.