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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #300 on: December 20, 2009, 03:46:56 PM »
LOL so now you are saying labrada wasn't at his best in 93? funny you go and read the Flex mag olympia review, they disagree with you..

and they are correct.

in fact, they specifically mention that Lee "fails to obtain the deep cuts of his contemporaries"

even the Flex writers know Labrada was inferior to Ray when Ray was 'on'.

but no, ND is right LOL

 ::) ::)
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #301 on: December 20, 2009, 03:50:10 PM »
LOL so now you are saying labrada wasn't at his best in 93? funny you go and read the Flex mag olympia review, they disagree with you..

and they are correct.

in fact, they specifically mention that Lee "fails to obtain the deep cuts of his contemporaries"

even the Flex writers know Labrada was inferior to Ray when Ray was 'on'.

but no, ND is right LOL

 ::) ::)

He absolutely was NOT his best at the Olympia and why? 93 Arnold  93 Ironman , Shawn ONLY competed in the Olympia so he was on-point for the O and which is the reason he finally beat Lee ONCE and only once  ;)

and I don't believe a single quote you type , I've busted you on two separate occasions making quote up before and now you're quoting Flex magazine writers ? how about all of them that said Dorian murdered Ray? oh let's forget about Flex writers then , HYPOCRITE-Hulkster strikes again  ;)


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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #302 on: December 20, 2009, 04:00:12 PM »
of course you don't believe the quote.

you don't believe the thousands of quotes out there that specifically refute all your bullshit on a regular basis.. ::)
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #303 on: December 20, 2009, 04:04:54 PM »
of course you don't believe the quote.

you don't believe the thousands of quotes out there that specifically refute all your bullshit on a regular basis.. ::)

Hahahahaha shut the fuck up hypocrite , you denied every single quote especially the ones from Ronnie when he said Dorian would kick his ass  ;)

another thread Hulkster is getting frustrated because he can't produce any facts what so ever and has to try race pleas lmmfao I own you and your frustration level confirms this and hence why you're trying to distance yourself from Dexter because I showed how he owns Shawn  ;)


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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #304 on: December 20, 2009, 04:06:03 PM »
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Lee owns Ray it's a fact

according to you.

and no one else.

and its easy to see why: ::)
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #305 on: December 20, 2009, 04:06:27 PM »

 ::)

when they both showed up in top shape, Lee lost.

period. doesn't matter how many contests so and so won prior to this.

Lee beat shawn when he was holding some water.

not when he was in top shape: as it is quite easy to see:



hmmm, in that shot you can see that Shawn was drier in the hammies and glutes than Flex was...but Flex still deserved 2nd place.

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #306 on: December 20, 2009, 04:09:26 PM »
according to you.

and no one else.

and its easy to see why: ::)

Typical Hulkster post a carefully selected comparison and say ' see ' because you can't produce FACTS

Fact Lee Labrada only lost ONCE to Ray , Ray lost Lee four times
Fact Lee has more pro wins than Ray
Fact Lee never placed below 5th in a pro contest
Fact Lee has a more classical aesthetic physique

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #307 on: December 20, 2009, 04:47:36 PM »
Back to the topic seeing Hulkster like to hi-jack threads


Shawn who?

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #308 on: December 20, 2009, 04:49:59 PM »
hahahahahahahaha no carefully selected pics needed

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #309 on: December 20, 2009, 05:46:50 PM »
Typical Hulkster post a carefully selected comparison and say ' see ' because you can't produce FACTS

Fact Lee Labrada only lost ONCE to Ray , Ray lost Lee four times
Fact Lee has more pro wins than Ray
Fact Lee never placed below 5th in a pro contest
Fact Lee has a more classical aesthetic physique

FACT - when both showed up in top shape in 1993, Lee lost miserably.

FACT - Lee could not touch Shawn's 1994 Olympia physique.

FACT - neither could DEXTER.

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #310 on: December 20, 2009, 05:50:09 PM »
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Typical Hulkster post a carefully selected comparison

yup, selected to be as impartial as you can get, both hitting the same shot not onstage.

your just pissed as always because real comparisons expose your bullshit.

shawn was better in terms of physique than lee (and dex) when he nailed it.

and it eats you up inside.

that much is quite clear.
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #311 on: December 20, 2009, 06:04:49 PM »
Labrada looks to have the perfect physique when he is standing by himself.  His presentation was also awesome.  However, when he stood next to Haney and even Ray, he just looked too small to be competitive.  Just my opinion.  

pretty fair comment..that he looked perfect on his own. However it was the 1990 mr.o that i became aware of how good Lee really was. I had him ahead of haney and yates and it was very evident in the final comparisons...thats if you can get past the idea that the guy with the most piles of muscles is the winner that is.


in 88 shawn ray was an up and comer...he hit his peak in the early 1990s, whilst Labrada was still around and beating him- even as he was getting old.

even the year shawn ray won the AC, Labrada beat him in the 'O.

I still find it humorous that you continually post ray's signature back pose to illustrate your point despite it already being conceded.

Where Dex dominates is when you take Dex's best form pics, from any angle, and compare to Ray's best. Dex wins. I'm sure i could find pics that show Ray looking better than Dex if i looked around and got the lights and angles right and left out some comparisons.

Same for Labrada.

But on stage, Labrada had a more complete, better balanced, conditioned, and less flawed package than Ray.

For lord's sake Hulkster, you'd think that SR was a god the way you go on about him. He was about a 4th-5th placed Bodybuilder of his era and in one year did manage to get it right when the others werent exactly sparkling. Arguably the worst Mr.Os were in the mid 1990s- 1995 was crap..loo at the names after Shawn...they are BB also rans, 1993 Shawn brung it, and Lee doing his last before retiring. 1996 had a fucked up yates and ray still didnt win. same for 1997. look who shawn beat in 1997...not exactly notable champs in the sport.

Back to Dex. For a number of years many have thought that he should be Mr.O. Not just for the year he was awarded it. The way BB is these days is crap. No one wants to look like a wide waisted, bloated fridge, or a person with piles of meat hanging in all places.

Dex has the most complete physique thats ever stepped in stage. Forget Flex- hes a cheat with implants and arms...thats it. They should ban implants in BB.

Shawn's FDB is really crap. I dont see what anyone would like about it. His whole physique washes away in that pose. His side poses make him look like a hobbit, and front leg poses like a fire hydrant. That leaves his excellent rear double bi and so so rear lat spread.

Thats why he kept getting beat by Labrada. Labrada looked good from all angles..maybe not sensational in any one, but no flaws except for his size.

The only flaw Dex brings is his calves.

So no matter how you dice it, as usual it comes down to who has the most flaws. Jay's is his huge waist, dex is his calves, Ray's FDB and blocky legs and narrow structure, Flex and nothing more to offer than dynamite arms and shoulders...and so on.

Next is the freaky factor..Dex has it in spades. Ray is a yawn.

Jay brings it with size.

So maybe we should agree to disagree? For me its Dex and daylight before Ray. And Labrada ahead of Ray also. Pretty much how he placed back in the day- around 4th or 5th.

Maybe me and the judges are wrong and Hulkster, you are right?





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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #312 on: December 20, 2009, 06:07:03 PM »
FACT - when both showed up in top shape in 1993, Lee lost miserably.

FACT - Lee could not touch Shawn's 1994 Olympia physique.

FACT - neither could DEXTER.



sorry, you tried to go with ND who did post facts...yet you did not.

For your first comment, it is not fact that both showed up in top shape, it is opinion. Secondly, Ray edged out Labrada on points by a single place.

your second "Fact", is again not a fact at all. its your opinion again.

Your third is yet another opinion.

Do you understand what a fact is?


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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #313 on: December 20, 2009, 06:08:12 PM »
yup, selected to be as impartial as you can get, both hitting the same shot not onstage.

your just pissed as always because real comparisons expose your bullshit.

shawn was better in terms of physique than lee (and dex) when he nailed it.

and it eats you up inside.

that much is quite clear.

compulsories idiot.

not comparing signature poses.

you are losing ground big time now. starting to look a bit silly really.

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #314 on: December 20, 2009, 06:09:01 PM »
Typical Hulkster post a carefully selected comparison and say ' see ' because you can't produce FACTS

Fact Lee Labrada only lost ONCE to Ray , Ray lost Lee four times
Fact Lee has more pro wins than Ray
Fact Lee never placed below 5th in a pro contest
Fact Lee has a more classical aesthetic physique

to be fair, technically your last point isnt a fact.

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #315 on: December 20, 2009, 06:09:37 PM »
yup, selected to be as impartial as you can get, both hitting the same shot not onstage.

your just pissed as always because real comparisons expose your bullshit.

shawn was better in terms of physique than lee (and dex) when he nailed it.

and it eats you up inside.

that much is quite clear.
Your a moron.
Impartial my ass. Clearly the photo of Dex is on an angle, negating his vastly superior width. Not to mention you always manage to find pics where the BB youre arguing against are clearly off their normal conditioningOr are simply terrible photos.
Get honest with yourself. Shawn couldnt beat Dex at their respective bests.
Oh, I like Shaws build better too. That doesn't mean he'd win though.

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #316 on: December 20, 2009, 06:12:49 PM »
not one of them was outrightly better than the other.  If they competed with eachother, they would trade higher placings from show to show. Kind of like Levrone, Wheeler, and Ray did. Sometimes Wheeler would be ahead of the other two, sometimes Levrone. Likewise, sometimes Jackson would place ahead of Ray, sometimes Ray would place ahead of Dexter.

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #317 on: December 21, 2009, 01:37:04 AM »
disagree. Dex would beat Ray every time.

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #318 on: December 21, 2009, 02:25:35 AM »
Hulkster clearly knows as much about Bodybuilding as I do about hieroglyphics. Labrada in '89 and '90 had one of the best and most complete physiques ever combined with perfect presentation. Yes, he was small and lacked size considering what the standards already were. But Shawn was never that much better than him and never had such a balanced physique. He only had size over Labrada but still not enough size to win. Labrada came much closer to winning the 'O and with  being arguably "small". Which means he had everything else right. Shawn was playing a big guys' game but was too far from them. And after seing all these pics, I'd have to agree that Dex at his best would probably have the edge on Ray.

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #319 on: December 21, 2009, 02:48:12 AM »
Wow the old argument ad populum  ::)  Their respective competitive careers speak on who was the better of the two

And my biases is the judging criteria so I'll take that as a compliment

I actually think Dexter would win too, but not because of the career thing. Would Zane beat Ray? Would Chris Dickerson beat someone like Mike Francois who never did particularly well at the O? I think Dexter was bigger with as-good-or-better condition than Ray, the same reasons Yates beat Ray, and in-shape Levrone, Flex Cormier etc.

So on that basis I think Ray's amazing shape would always lose out to a bodybuilder fitting that description. Jay lost to Dexter because his condition that year was whaaack.

Still, though, it would ultimately rest on early 90s judging vs late noughties judging. Ray would possibly win by 1990 standards, but even by '94 big+condition+vaguely symmetrical = victory, regardless of exceptional lines/shape etc. This is how Ronnie beat everyone for years, even when his gut was at its worst.

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #320 on: December 21, 2009, 05:51:36 AM »
wrong. because Ray improved by a lot post 92 onwards and from then on he beat Labrada every time.

93 is a great example. both in top shape. Shawn beats Labrada..

but back in 90, before shawn had peaked, Labrada won..

Labrada simply beat shawn before shawn had really hit his stride, much the same way as everyone beat Ronnie before he hit his stride.

but compare peak shawn and peak Labrada, and its Shawn every time, just as 93 showed quite clearly..

more experienced and knowledgable fan my ass.  ::)


he is as delusional as you are :P

Are you smoking that stuff?

Last time I checked, Ray beat Labrada.....ONCE at the Olympia.

Let me repeat that: Ray beat Labrada (who's at least 10 lbs. SMALLER and 2 inches shorter).....ONCE!!!!

Six times Labrada and Ray went head up at the O; five times Ray came out on the losing end ('88, '89, '90, '91, '92).

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #321 on: December 21, 2009, 06:02:52 AM »
my point is he beat a subpar Mr. Levrone

E

And....

It happens, just as Cutler beat a "subpar" Coleman and Jackson beat a "subpar" Cutler.


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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #322 on: December 21, 2009, 06:05:18 AM »
you know what is really funny and a testiment to how much better shawn was than dexter?

answer: his 1987 nationals rear double bi was better than Dexter's Mr. O winning rear double bi:

thats just how much better shawn was:

nice try dexter nuthuggers, but you lose:

Dexter Jackson....... MR. OLYMPIA

Shawn Ray.........not

YOU LOSE!!!

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #323 on: December 21, 2009, 06:21:07 AM »
ND is a fan because labrada is white.

he always picks the white bb over the black one, even if they have a clearly inferior phsyique

eg he picks labrada over ray, dorian over ronnie etc. when no one else is that stupid..

to the rest of us, skin colour doesn't matter- its the physique that counts.

but not to ND. skin colour takes priority. ::)



Isn't Labrada Cuban?

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #324 on: December 21, 2009, 07:05:53 AM »
Wow Hulkster.. your taking a beating in this thread....