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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #400 on: December 22, 2009, 03:23:11 PM »
you do if you are deciding who has the better physique when both at top shape.

and they were both in top shape in 93 when lee lost.

the above link I posted has many talking about how 'alien' looking dex is, and its not hard to see why: its that fucked up torso that does it.

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You think if you just keep typing the same bullshit over and over it becomes true  ::) Lee Labrada was NOT in ' top shape ' at the Olympia , he looked great however he competed in both the 1993 Arnold Classic and Ironman and had to re-peak for the Olympia so he was off the old victim of the spring shows ( if you knew anything about bodybuilding you'd know about this ) Lee and Shawn met 6 times with Lee beating Ray 5 times that means he's NOT in Lee's league and if Lee didn't enter any spring shows in 1993 he would have beaten Ray again , business as usual


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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #401 on: December 22, 2009, 03:27:11 PM »
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Lee didn't enter any spring shows in 1993 he would have beaten Ray again

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so you think that if Lee didn't compete in the spring shows he would all of a sudden be able to match shots like this? LOL

you are even dumber than I thought. :o
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #402 on: December 22, 2009, 03:28:15 PM »
That honor continues to fall on YOU!!!

That would be saying that Ray was only in top shape ONCE, because that's the only time he beat Labrada.

Of course, that would STILL mean that LABRADA WAS THE SUPERIOR BODYBUILDER, because he was consistently able to dial it in, when it mattered the most. Hence, he whacked Ray on the Olympia state in 83% of their Olympia matchups.

Ray's supposedly inability to get in top shape ain't Labrada's fault or that of anyone else.

Again, you don't "own" someone, when you lose 5 of 6 times to that someone.



That honor continues to fall on YOU!!!

Exactly

That would be saying that Ray was only in top shape ONCE, because that's the only time he beat Labrada.

Of course, that would STILL mean that LABRADA WAS THE SUPERIOR BODYBUILDER, because he was consistently able to dial it in, when it mattered the most. Hence, he whacked Ray on the Olympia state in 83% of their Olympia matchups.

Ray's supposedly inability to get in top shape ain't Labrada's fault or that of anyone else.

Again, you don't "own" someone, when you lose 5 of 6 times to that someone.


You make excellent points Hulkster can't use his head to think these things through , somehow Shawn is better by losing 83% of the time to Lee LMMFAO another example of his retarded logic

he tried to Argue Ronnie dominated the 2001 Olympia by losing the entire prejudging , the kid is a complete moron.

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #403 on: December 22, 2009, 03:30:02 PM »
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he tried to Argue Ronnie dominated the 2001 Olympia by losing the entire prejudging , the kid is a complete moron

he never should have lost the prejudging in the first place. thats the point you don't get and never will because you lack the intelligence.
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #404 on: December 22, 2009, 03:32:15 PM »
neither lee nor dex can match this classic shot:

sorry.

and ND, as a 'lover' of classical physiques, if you were not so biased and hypocritical, you should be agreeing.

but your bias gets in the way.

if it were anyone else, you would be praising how good this is and how it was better than either Lee or Dex.

but because its Shawn, your preferences go out the window.

notice how many others called you out on this sort of thing in the last labrada ray thread that I quoted.

your biases get in the way all the time.. ::)
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #405 on: December 22, 2009, 03:38:31 PM »
::)

so you think that if Lee didn't compete in the spring shows he would all of a sudden be able to match shots like this? LOL

you are even dumber than I thought. :o
All I see in these shots is Flex owning Shawn

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #406 on: December 22, 2009, 03:38:36 PM »
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You make excellent points Hulkster

I know. and I back them up with real proof, unlike these morons who just babble and avoid posting visuals, which is the whole point of this sport.. ::)
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #407 on: December 22, 2009, 03:39:22 PM »
All I see in these shots is Flex owning Shawn

but only from the waist up. look at flex's calf implants, detailess hams etc.
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #408 on: December 22, 2009, 03:42:31 PM »
Shawn was never off, considering the fact that he almost only competed at The O'. There's a reason why Labrada beat Shawn everytime but once. He was better. End of story. Haney had already initiated the "more is better " trend and there you've got a guy who places high everytime while holding considerably less mass (and being shorter) than everyone else. There was a reason for that. Shawn never had a "classic physique" as good as Labrada and on the other hand not big and complete enough to touch Yates. Great Bber though, one of the best but far from being untouchable.
Shawn Ray was the Lee Lebrada of his era, or could it be said that Lee Lebrada was the Shawn Ray of his era? I beg to differ that Shawn Ray never had a classic physique compared to Lee. He did, in fact what you see in Lee, Shawn, and Dex, is a evolution of the smaller classical phyiques adaptation to the freaky standards of each era. Each of these three were big enough to be consider classical and freaky at the same time, but smaller than the "insane" freak standards of the time. Shawn and Dex having to gain wieght in order to compete. Lee never competed over 196 pounds. Whereas Shawn was competing at 201-205 for years, then stepped up to 210-18. In actuality we can't even compared their best shapes because they competed against a diff standard. And they peaked at different ages. Shawn leaked when Lebrada was going out (Lebrada left in 96, Shawn did well in 93,94,95,96), and Dex starting peaking as Shawn went out.

Now, to me Shawn was the most aesthetic of the three, he possessed both size, shape and cuts, and in my opinion the best abs in bbing thus far. Lee was smaller, but he lacked size, there is a reason why Haney called him "Flea" Labrada. Dex is &guy than Shawn, yet has high lats from the front, and has a slight gut, but he is tight.

It is safe to say that all three have their respective weaknesses, but all three were true giant killers.

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #409 on: December 22, 2009, 03:46:03 PM »
he never should have lost the prejudging in the first place. thats the point you don't get and never will because you lack the intelligence.

You're hopeless , you really are  ;)

You DO NOT dominate by losing see oxymoron

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #410 on: December 22, 2009, 03:50:19 PM »
neither lee nor dex can match this classic shot:

sorry.

and ND, as a 'lover' of classical physiques, if you were not so biased and hypocritical, you should be agreeing.

but your bias gets in the way.

if it were anyone else, you would be praising how good this is and how it was better than either Lee or Dex.

but because its Shawn, your preferences go out the window.

notice how many others called you out on this sort of thing in the last labrada ray thread that I quoted.

your biases get in the way all the time.. ::)

Lmfao everyone is calling you out for being a troll , ignorant and flat out stupid ! like me everyone has been asking you to produce any facts what so ever a task you can't do and never have been able to do

Your argument is based on bias , hyperbole , and the weakest of arguments , same shit with you post a couple of carefully selected pics and cry see  ::)

come back when you can offer something other than subterfuge

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #411 on: December 22, 2009, 03:57:36 PM »
I know. and I back them up with real proof, unlike these morons who just babble and avoid posting visuals, which is the whole point of this sport.. ::)

You never once ever provided any ' real proof ' the point of the sport BTW is the IFBB judging criteria which I've shown on numerous occasions you don't know.

Your arguments are based on ignorance , bias. How the fuck can you form an intelligent opinion on who could beat who in a contest when you don't even know how contests are judged? simple....you can't.

Your whole argument is the weakest of pleas , argument ad populum , ad homenin attacks and hyperbole , you never backed up anything with any facts what so ever and on you've been corrected on this site by Bob Chic , Kevin Horton , and many people who were in attendance and best of all ME  ;)

I've kicked your ass on here for years which is why you try so hard to get me back because you know I'm right and you're just another moron I corrected  ;)

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #412 on: December 22, 2009, 04:00:40 PM »
::)

so you think that if Lee didn't compete in the spring shows he would all of a sudden be able to match shots like this? LOL

you are even dumber than I thought. :o

Wow a couple of carefully selected poses which YOU think favor Shawn over Lee  ::)

Lee kicked Shawn's ass 83% of the time they faced each other so to answer your question YES Lee could have beaten Shawn business as usual , if Levrone didn't tear his pec Shawn would be relegated even lower , he was a great guy to fill in when the better guys were off or out


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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #413 on: December 22, 2009, 04:00:45 PM »
see this 'high lats' bullshit - it has to stop. Its some clowns fake insult that has been latched onto by other clowns who have no real excuse for why they dislike a physique.

lats are lats - high/low or whatever, they either look good or they don't.

dexters lats look fantastic, and put most including shawns narrow lats to shame.

oh and narrow lats are a valid excuse for marking someone down in a contest - high lats are not.

hope this helps.
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #414 on: December 22, 2009, 04:02:45 PM »
 Here are some lats

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #415 on: December 22, 2009, 04:04:06 PM »
see this 'high lats' bullshit - it has to stop. Its some clowns fake insult that has been latched onto by other clowns who have no real excuse for why they dislike a physique.

lats are lats - high/low or whatever, they either look good or they don't.

dexters lats look fantastic, and put most including shawns narrow lats to shame.

oh and narrow lats are a valid excuse for marking someone down in a contest - high lats are not.

hope this helps.

Hulkster likes to hyperfocus on what he perceives a flaw and think he's onto something , Dex has high lats he has fucking lats , Shawn Ray's lats spreads SUCK compared to Dex so much for that flaw

 

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #416 on: December 22, 2009, 04:05:36 PM »
its not flattened out. its called a vaccuum, something that dexter's alien turtle gut and fucked up torso would never allow him to hit.. :P

dex may have a cute butt but couldn't touch this in a million years: :o

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #417 on: December 22, 2009, 04:07:07 PM »
great post Hulkster.. That comparison shows Dex's FDB killing Ray's flattened out FDB.

Way to ruin your argument.

Great point , Hulkster tends to backfire his posts with these ' comparisons '

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #418 on: December 22, 2009, 04:12:30 PM »
Here are some lats

are those high or low lats ?  ;D
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #419 on: December 22, 2009, 04:16:56 PM »
Great point , Hulkster tends to backfire his posts with these ' comparisons '

What's up with his comment about Dexter's "cute butt"? (see my post above where I quoted it).

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #420 on: December 22, 2009, 04:19:26 PM »
are those high or low lats ?  ;D
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #421 on: December 22, 2009, 04:30:11 PM »
Shawn Ray was the Lee Lebrada of his era, or could it be said that Lee Lebrada was the Shawn Ray of his era? I beg to differ that Shawn Ray never had a classic physique compared to Lee. He did, in fact what you see in Lee, Shawn, and Dex, is a evolution of the smaller classical phyiques adaptation to the freaky standards of each era. Each of these three were big enough to be consider classical and freaky at the same time, but smaller than the "insane" freak standards of the time. Shawn and Dex having to gain wieght in order to compete. Lee never competed over 196 pounds. Whereas Shawn was competing at 201-205 for years, then stepped up to 210-18. In actuality we can't even compared their best shapes because they competed against a diff standard. And they peaked at different ages. Shawn leaked when Lebrada was going out (Lebrada left in 96, Shawn did well in 93,94,95,96), and Dex starting peaking as Shawn went out.

Now, to me Shawn was the most aesthetic of the three, he possessed both size, shape and cuts, and in my opinion the best abs in bbing thus far. Lee was smaller, but he lacked size, there is a reason why Haney called him "Flea" Labrada. Dex is &guy than Shawn, yet has high lats from the front, and has a slight gut, but he is tight.

It is safe to say that all three have their respective weaknesses, but all three were true giant killers.

Lee Labrada is the Steve Reeves of his time albeit shorter , Shawn Ray was a mini-mass monster with a very nice physique as far as classic physiques Ray doesn't compare to Labrada not in structure not in balance & proportion or clavicle width

When I think of classical physiques Steve Reeves , Frank Zane , Bob Paris , Lee Labrada , Rory Leidlemeyer etc NOT Shawn Ray he doesn't meet the Greek Ideal of calves , arms and neck all the same size , he doesn't have wide clavicles , he doesn't have a balanced upper & lower body , Shawn has short legs , high calves a longish torso , heavyweights arms , lightweights torso he has way to many structural issues to be compared in a classic sense as the same as the above mentioned , which is why I believe Flex Magazine didn't have him close to many of the above mentioned in their list of the most aesthetic physiques

Labrada left in 1995 , his last contest was the Arnold , Ray really never improved over his career other than just coming in a tad sharper , he won the nationals at 196lbs and his best showings he was around 205 pounds not much of an improvement , he did try to play the size game by competing at 215 pounds and his razor sharp conditioning suffered for it , I recall him bitching that the judges said he needed more size but was punished for it ( because he wasn't as sharp )

Shawn and Dexter are more closely related in physique types and it's pretty clear Dexter would beat him , Dexter carries more mass a lot more , now this alone isn't always a given hence why Shawn beat much heavier men however Dexter has more mass with equal if not better conditioning so that extra mass edges Dexter ahead in muscular bulk over Shawn , balance & proportion ...neither of them are Bob Paris in this department but Dexter has advantages Shawn doesn't especially in width , back width and clavicle width which would edge out Shawn in both standing relaxed poses and Dexter beats him in the 1/4 turns , Dex just accumulates more mandatories and seeing all rounds are physique rounds Dexter's meets the criteria better

Shawn was a excellent bodybuilder but people fluff him up to something much more than he was

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #422 on: December 22, 2009, 04:32:53 PM »
What's up with his comment about Dexter's "cute butt"? (see my post above where I quoted it).

lmao Kevin Horton had to tell him Ronnie doesn't swing that way and he's married lol I guess he's moved on  :-X

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #423 on: December 22, 2009, 04:36:25 PM »
::)

so you think that if Lee didn't compete in the spring shows he would all of a sudden be able to match shots like this? LOL

you are even dumber than I thought. :o

1992 Shawn looks just like he did  in 1993 Lee kicked his ass there too  ;) thanks for playing retard of the week you win

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #424 on: December 22, 2009, 05:17:06 PM »
You're hopeless , you really are  ;)

You DO NOT dominate by losing see oxymoron

did you not read my post? ::)

the judges said he lost the prejudging. everyone else says he never should have.

see any of the jay vs ronnie 2001 threads on this or any other board.

the proof is all there. the judges got it wrong in the first two rounds, realized their mistake, and gave ronnie the win in the end.

so all was right.
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