Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!

[Straw Man]

1) Be a Natural Born citizen (or a Citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution)
2) Be 35 years of age or older
3) Be a resident for at least 14 years.

good point

those are the legal requirements and there are probably 200 million + people in this country who meet them.

the harder requirement is raising the millions of dollars needed (unless you're already loaded) and then the hardest part is actually get people to vote for you.

Palin would be eaten alive in the primaries by other candidates in her own party

she'll never hold office again and sincerely don't think she wants to hold office

[dario73]

thinking we're "fallen"

thinking the "end times" are imminent

These 2 are not radical views. Might be radical to you, but any person that claims to be a Christian and don't believe in the these 2 phrases, is not a Christian. Those are CLEAR teachings of the Bible. Nothing symbolic about them. There is no room to say that the Bible doesn't really mean them. It does teach that man is fallen and that God will bring an end to this world by establishing his own kingdom. You can choose to call it "whack". But, don't act like it's open for interpretation. Book of Genesis, Hebrews Chapter 8, Romans and 1 Corinthians speak about this and they are in the Bible. You know. The same book that all Christians are supposed to read, study, and BELIEVE as being the WORD OF GOD. The same GOD that supposedly Barack believes in. IF Barry doesn't believe any of that, then he is not a Christian.

[Straw Man]

These 2 are not radical views. Might be radical to you, but any person that claims to be a Christian and don't believe in the these 2 phrases, is not a Christian. Those are CLEAR teachings of the Bible. Nothing symbolic about them. There is no room to say that the Bible doesn't really mean them. It does teach that man is fallen and that God will bring an end to this world by establishing his own kingdom. You can choose to call it "whack". But, don't act like it's open for interpretation. Book of Genesis, Hebrews Chapter 8, Romans and 1 Corinthians speak about this and they are in the Bible. You know. The same book that all Christians are supposed to read, study, and BELIEVE as being the WORD OF GOD. The same GOD that supposedly Barack believes in. IF Barry doesn't believe any of that, then he is not a Christian.

It's interesting to me how many people on here are so quick to say what Christians must believe.

surely you're aware that many people who believe themselves to be Christian don't share your views and don't take the Bible literally

I hope Palin keeps talking about how we're a fallen world.  I think that would be great.  I just hope some resporter asks her to explain how her religious views will influence her policy decisions. 

[Soul Crusher]

It's interesting to me how many people on here are so quick to say what Christians must believe.

surely you're aware that many people who believe themselves to be Christian don't share your views and don't take the Bible literally

I hope Palin keeps talking about how we're a fallen world.  I think that would be great.  I just hope some resporter asks her to explain how her religious views will influence her policy decisions. 

Straw, I think religion should not be a part of politics.  I have never been a social con all that much. 

However, if UE is still at 10% and the economy in the toilet in 2011 2012, anyone will beat Obama, including Palin. 

[MCWAY]

Here's the oath of the POTUS. 
Can you show me where the God part is?
You've claimed it's there right?

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

You forgot four little words: "SO HELP ME GOD!!", not mandatory but often used and is customary, which suggest respect for the Christian foundation of this country.

Here's another clue for you that we are absolutely a secular nation:

Article 6 of the Constitution states:

"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

Guess what!! To get such an office, you have to get elected. And, those who are electing you (at least on the surface) believe in God.

Again, note Dr. King's words. The church is not the master or the slave of the state. It is the conscience of the state.

There's a reason why politicians from BOTH PARTIES hit the churches hard, during election cycles. Where was Obama this weekend, prior to his all-for-naught cameo at Coakley's rally?

We have religious roots in our government. It's in the Declaration of Independence. It's in our laws (see the Ten Commandments).

We are a Christian nation, not a theocracy, NOR a secular nation.

[MCWAY]

Asking for list of qualifications x 4.

Nice try, coward!!! The question has been out there for you Palin-bashers for over two weeks.

You can't answer the bell. So, continue your slithering and sulking. And, while you're in your corner hiding, take a good long look at your previous claims about the Democrats having a lock on Washington, and Obama being a shoo-in for a second term.

Let that marinate, while you flee like a scalded dog.

[Straw Man]

You forgot four little words: "SO HELP ME GOD!!", not mandatory but often used and is customary, which suggest respect for the Christian foundation of this country.

We have religious roots in our government. It's in the Declaration of Independence. It's in our laws (see the Ten Commandments).

We are a Christian nation, not a theocracy, NOR a secular nation.

I left it out because it's not part of the oath

neither is swearing on a bible required.

you still haven't provided 1 bit of actual proof to your claim where as I have provided you multiple source of fact that we are a secular nation

[Soul Crusher]

I left it out because it's not part of the oath

neither is swearing on a bible required.

you still haven't provided 1 bit of actual proof to your claim where as I have provided you multiple source of fact that we are a secular nation

I guess Obama is not in alignment with your views Straw? 

[MCWAY]

I left it out because it's not part of the oath

neither is swearing on a bible required.

you still haven't provided 1 bit of actual proof to your claim where as I have provided you multiple source of fact that we are a secular nation

On the contrary, I've provided the fact that our laws are based, in part, on the Ten Commandments (I can easily cite the founding fathers that say as much, if you like; or point out AGAIN that we have the Decalogue in our courtrooms).

And, our Declaration of Independence states that our Creator gives us inalienable rights.


You seem to think that if a nation is either a theocracy or secular. Such is not the case.

One more time: The church is neither the master nor the slave of the state, but its conscience. They work hand-in-hand; one doesn't overpower the other (at least, it's not supposed to do so).

That, Straw Man, does NOT equate to either a theocrary or a secular nation.

[Straw Man]

I guess Obama is not in alignment with your views Straw?  

Again - NOT REQUIRED

they may add it if they wish

the founders went out of their way to say that there is no religious requirement to hold office, no official state religion, no mention of Jesus or Christianity in the Consitution or the Declaration of Independence (which does include metnion of Natures God and Creator but since many founders were in fact Deist)

So what we have is an abundance of proof that we are a secular nation and zero proof that we are a christian nation.

Are we a nation with a lot of Christians?

Yes, but that does not make us a christian nation.  We have a lot of other religions and plenty of atheist too.

come on 333 - you know this shit already

[Soul Crusher]

No, religion really has no place in politics IMHO. 

I am not a social conservative at all.  I am not into the religious stuff at all and think it really gets in the way. 

The more I read of the founders, the smarter and more insightful I believe they were, are. 

We need total religious freedom, and that includes FREEDOM FROM RELIGION as well. 

You have no beef with me Straw on those issues. 

[MCWAY]

Again - NOT REQUIRED

they may add it if they wish

the founders went out of their way to say that there is no religious requirement to hold office, no official state religion, no mention of Jesus or Christianity in the Consitution or the Declaration of Independence (which does include metnion of Natures God and Creator but since many founders were in fact Deist)

So what we have is an abundance of proof that we are a secular nation and zero proof that we are a christian nation.

Are we a nation with a lot of Christians?

Yes, but that does not make us a christian nation.  We have a lot of other religions and plenty of atheist too.

come on 333 - you know this shit already

Christianity is, by far, the dominant religion. It's the basis of our laws. At last check, we don't have any statutes, based on Baal or Molech worship.

And, only a handful of the Founding Fathers were Deist. But don't take my word for it:

Name of Signer      State           ReligiousAffiliation
Charles Carroll       Maryland        Catholic
Samuel Huntington Connecticut    Congregationalist
Roger Sherman      Connecticut    Congregationalist
William Williams      Connecticut    Congregationalist
Oliver Wolcott       Connecticut    Congregationalist
Lyman Hall            Georgia           Congregationalist
Samuel Adams       Massachusetts Congregationalist
John Hancock        Massachusetts Congregationalist
Josiah Bartlett       New Hampshire Congregationalist
William Whipple      New Hampshire Congregationalist
William Ellery         Rhode Island    Congregationalist
John Adams          Massachusetts Congregationalist; Unitarian
Robert Treat Paine Massachusetts Congregationalist; Unitarian
George Walton      Georgia            Episcopalian
John Penn            North Carolina Episcopalian
George Ross          Pennsylvania Episcopalian
 

And, that's just the short list


The signers were those individuals who happened to be Delegates to Congress at the time... The signers possessed many basic similarities. Most were American-born and of Anglo-Saxon origin. The eight foreign-born... were all natives of the British Isles. Except for Charles Carroll, a Roman Catholic, and a few Deists, every one subscribed to Protestantism. For the most part basically political nonextremists, many at first had hesitated at separation let alone rebellion.


http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html

[LurkerNoMore]

Nice try, coward!!! The question has been out there for you Palin-bashers for over two weeks.

You can't answer the bell. So, continue your slithering and sulking. And, while you're in your corner hiding, take a good long look at your previous claims about the Democrats having a lock on Washington, and Obama being a shoo-in for a second term.

Let that marinate, while you flee like a scalded dog.

Asking for the list x 5.

No list I see.  No signs of intelligence either.

[MCWAY]

Asking for the list x 5.

No list I see.  No signs of intelligence either.

Did you post this from a hall of mirrors?

Once of these days, a backbone will replace your wishbone and you'll actually back your statements, regarding Palin's supposed lack of qualifications.

Until then, cluck away, O cowardly one.

[tonymctones]

I actually dont disagree with you AS LONG as the same standard applies to those with lib views as well as those with right wing views.

this is the problem though b/c straw in all likelihood tolerates the lib views...gay marriage

but

condemns the views of cons

he probably also sees no problem in doing so in effect not following his own logic....AGAIN

[LurkerNoMore]

Did you post this from a hall of mirrors?

Once of these days, a backbone will replace your wishbone and you'll actually back your statements, regarding Palin's supposed lack of qualifications.

Until then, cluck away, O cowardly one.

Asking for the list x 6

[LurkerNoMore]

I left it out because it's not part of the oath

neither is swearing on a bible required.

you still haven't provided 1 bit of actual proof to your claim where as I have provided you multiple source of fact that we are a secular nation

You forget you are trying to use facts and logic with someone that clearly has no connection with reality amid their delusions.

The Constitution clearly establishes the separation of church and state in it's body which certainly identifies the US as a secular nation.  The Constitution forbids all forms of religious tests and clearly refuses to recognize one form of religion above another.  Just because the majority of the population may believe in one religion that means nothing and in no way, shape or form, has any bearing whatsoever on the nation from a constitutional or governmental standpoint.

 "The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."
--Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11 (first signed Nov. 4, 1796, later being signed by Congress and the president in 1797)


The US was clearly and unequivocally established as a secular nation.  Anyone claiming otherwise is just beyond stupid.  Which given the poster you are attempting to explain this to, one can understand it.

[MCWAY]

You forget you are trying to use facts and logic with someone that clearly has no connection with reality amid their delusions.

The Constitution clearly establishes the separation of church and state in it's body which certainly identifies the US as a secular nation.  The Constitution forbids all forms of religious tests and clearly refuses to recognize one form of religion above another.  Just because the majority of the population may believe in one religion that means nothing and in no way, shape or form, has any bearing whatsoever on the nation from a constitutional or governmental standpoint.

 "The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."
--Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11 (first signed Nov. 4, 1796, later being signed by Congress and the president in 1797)


The US was clearly and unequivocally established as a secular nation.  Anyone claiming otherwise is just beyond stupid.  Which given the poster you are attempting to explain this to, one can understand it.

The Constitution says no such thing, contrary to the brain-dead musings of a spineless jellyfish, like you, Lurker. What our Constitution does is establish what Dr. King states, that the church can and should be the conscience of the state.

Our laws, O historically-inept one, are based (in part) on the Ten Commandments; the Founding Fathers stated as much. As provided in the link posted earlier, the lion's share of them (contrary to Straw's claims) were Protestant Christians, not deists.

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. - John Adams, 1798

Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” - John Jay, 1816

And, since you want to talk about having no connection with reality, your previous boneheaded claims about the Democrats hvaing a lock on Washington and Obama being a shoe-in for re-election are being shattered, as we speak.

[LurkerNoMore]

Bullshit.

Then again reading the Constitution requires a higher skill level than third grade.  Which you do not possess.

Once again, choking on Teh Stupid.

Bottom line is that the nation is secular from the Constitutional standpoint and there is nothing you can do or say to change it.   That's the fact.  That is the reality.  That is something that no delusions of your rabid Christian mind will ever change.  Get used to it.

[dario73]

Bullshit.

Then again reading the Constitution requires a higher skill level than third grade.  Which you do not possess.

Once again, choking on Teh Stupid.

Bottom line is that the nation is secular from the Constitutional standpoint and there is nothing you can do or say to change it.   That's the fact.  That is the reality.  That is something that no delusions of your rabid Christian mind will ever change.  Get used to it.

I just see you rambling in your posts, but you don't use any reference to the Constitution or writings by the founding fathers to support your view.

This nation was FOUNDED on CHRISTIAN BELIEFS. FACT!  Most Americans identify themselves as Christians. About 77%.  You are out of luck. Move on. You lost this debate.

[LurkerNoMore]

I just see you rambling in your posts, but you don't use any reference to the Constitution or writings by the founding fathers to support your view.

This nation was FOUNDED on CHRISTIAN BELIEFS. FACT!  Most Americans identify themselves as Christians. About 77%.  You are out of luck. Move on. You lost this debate.

Bullshit!!!  You only want it to simply because of delusional projection of your own beliefs.

The thing with using logic and facts on stupid Christians is that they can't grasp it.  Being they are conditioned to believe inane stories without evidence.

Many of the founding fathers were deist or agnostic.  FACT

The Declaration of Independence, for example, relies upon deist theology, rather than Christian.  FACT

There are no specific reference to Christianity or Jesus in the Declaration of independence. There are a few references to a 'Nature's God' who is the creator of life, giver of rights and 'supreme Judge of the world' .  FACT

The 1787 constitution is a nearly godless document. It mentions neither God, nor Christianity outside of a reference to the date using the Christian calandar. It does however have a provision against requiring specific religious ideas as a qualification for office.  FACT

Article VI, Section 3, US Constitution
"...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."  FACT

If the United States were set up as a Christian Nation why would the First Amendment grant equal rights to all religions?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..."  FACT

You are a complete toolbag.  FACT

Only stupid people mistake references to God as the doctrine of Christianity.  FACT

[Soul Crusher]

I personally believe that the freedom FROM religion is as important as the freedom of religion. 

I cant stand the religious right who push social issues while ignoring economic issues and freedom.   

That is why I cant vote for Huckster.   

[chadstallion]

 

I personally believe that the freedom FROM religion is as important as the freedom of religion.  

I cant stand the religious right who push social issues while ignoring economic issues and freedom.    

That is why I cant vote for Huckster.    

geez, just when hell started to thaw......   and its only jan. with any luck this wont happen again for months. 

[MCWAY]

I personally believe that the freedom FROM religion is as important as the freedom of religion. 

I cant stand the religious right who push social issues while ignoring economic issues and freedom.      

That's why I vote for those who push ALL OF THE ABOVE!! And, why I, like you, are a Palin fan!!

[Soul Crusher]

geez, just when hell started to thaw......   and its only jan. with any luck this wont happen again for months. 

I'm not kidding.  I am considered a heretic by my own since I wont go to church etc yet consider myself as much a patriot as anybody.  

My patriotism and beliefs have nothing do with what I do on Sundays, but I respect those who believe otherwise.  I just wish something they felt the same way.