Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!

[MCWAY]

Bullshit!!!  You only want it to simply because of delusional projection of your own beliefs.

The thing with using logic and facts on stupid Christians is that they can't grasp it.  Being they are conditioned to believe inane stories without evidence.

Many of the founding fathers were deist or agnostic.  FACT

The Declaration of Independence, for example, relies upon deist theology, rather than Christian.  FACT

There are no specific reference to Christianity or Jesus in the Declaration of independence. There are a few references to a 'Nature's God' who is the creator of life, giver of rights and 'supreme Judge of the world' .  FACT

The 1787 constitution is a nearly godless document. It mentions neither God, nor Christianity outside of a reference to the date using the Christian calandar. It does however have a provision against requiring specific religious ideas as a qualification for office.  FACT

Article VI, Section 3, US Constitution
"...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."  FACT

If the United States were set up as a Christian Nation why would the First Amendment grant equal rights to all religions?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..."  FACT

You are a complete toolbag.  FACT

The reason the First Amendment reads the way it does, El Bonehead, is because the Founding Fathers were working form different denominations OF CHRISTIANITY!! Do you really think any of them were concerned about Islam, Buddhism, Molech or Dagon worship?

Only stupid people mistake references to God as the doctrine of Christianity.  FACT

Come back, when you get a spine, a clue, and some sense.

[Kazan]

The 1787 constitution is a nearly godless document. It mentions neither God, nor Christianity outside of a reference to the date using the Christian calandar. It does however have a provision against requiring specific religious ideas as a qualification for office.  FACT

Article VI, Section 3, US Constitution
"...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."  FACT

If the United States were set up as a Christian Nation why would the First Amendment grant equal rights to all religions?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..."  FACT

First you have to look at the historical context and where the colonist came from. What that passage means is that the US government cannot create a religion or Church of America ( like the Church of England), and that you cannot be lynched for worshipping a tree if thats what you choose to do.

[LurkerNoMore]

The reason the First Amendment reads the way it does, El Bonehead, is because the Founding Fathers were working form different denominations OF CHRISTIANITY!! Do you really think any of them were concerned about Islam, Buddhism, Molech or Dagon worship?

Bullshit!!  And you can't prove it either.

You just simply wish for it to be so because if your own insecurities and religious delusions.  But it isn't.  So live with it.

US = secular
You = idiot

[MCWAY]

Bullshit!!  And you can't prove it either.

You just simply wish for it to be so because if your own insecurities and religious delusions.  But it isn't.  So live with it.

US = secular
You = idiot

I don't have to wish for it to be so. It is so, whether you and your crackpot musings believe it or not.

I can and have proven it. Again, get some sense, get a clue, and grow a spine.

[dario73]

Bullshit!!!  You only want it to simply because of delusional projection of your own beliefs.

The thing with using logic and facts on stupid Christians is that they can't grasp it.  Being they are conditioned to believe inane stories without evidence.

Many of the founding fathers were deist or agnostic.  FACT

The Declaration of Independence, for example, relies upon deist theology, rather than Christian.  FACT

There are no specific reference to Christianity or Jesus in the Declaration of independence. There are a few references to a 'Nature's God' who is the creator of life, giver of rights and 'supreme Judge of the world' .  FACT

The 1787 constitution is a nearly godless document. It mentions neither God, nor Christianity outside of a reference to the date using the Christian calandar. It does however have a provision against requiring specific religious ideas as a qualification for office.  FACT

Article VI, Section 3, US Constitution
"...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."  FACT

If the United States were set up as a Christian Nation why would the First Amendment grant equal rights to all religions?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..."  FACT

You are a complete toolbag.  FACT

Only stupid people mistake references to God as the doctrine of Christianity.  FACT

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Your little "brain" just melted down.

You can tell whose the poster without a clue when he/she types a thesis instead of getting to the heart of the matter.

Move on retard. You don't have a clue what you are yapping about.

[Soul Crusher]

I don't have to wish for it to be so. It is so, whether you and your crackpot musings believe it or not.

I can and have proven it. Again, get some sense, get a clue, and grow a spine.

The founders, like Jefferson, believed in God, and were considered Deists, but were not big on organized religion.  

The more I read of the founders, like Jefferson, Washington, ect, the more I cherish the gift they gave us.  

[LurkerNoMore]

First you have to look at the historical context and where the colonist came from. What that passage means is that the US government cannot create a religion or Church of America ( like the Church of England), and that you cannot be lynched for worshipping a tree if thats what you choose to do.

Again, if the Constitution was set up based on Christianity, then why would it grant freedom to ALL religions and forbid any religion to be placed above another.  The first commandment says what?  "You shall have no other God before me".  

If the US was based on Christianity - which it isn't - then it is a failed effort since the Constitution clearly allows for people to have other, or none, beings of spiritual devoting and worship higher than God if they so choose.

[MCWAY]

First you have to look at the historical context and where the colonist came from. What that passage means is that the US government cannot create a religion or Church of America ( like the Church of England), and that you cannot be lynched for worshipping a tree if thats what you choose to do.

That goes back to what I also said earlier that being a Christian nation DOES NOT EQUATE to being a theocracy.

And, it also goes back to the words of Dr. King about the church being the state's consciene, not its master or slave.

[LurkerNoMore]

I don't have to wish for it to be so. It is so, whether you and your crackpot musings believe it or not.

I can and have proven it. Again, get some sense, get a clue, and grow a spine.

The only thing you have proven is that you are an idiot.

You have posted NO facts at all for this delusion you keep clinging to.

[LurkerNoMore]

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Your little "brain" just melted down.

You can tell whose the poster without a clue when he/she types a thesis instead of getting to the heart of the matter.

Move on retard. You don't have a clue what you are yapping about.

Your only response to facts posted is this?  Oh, you must be from the G&O board.     Go figure.  Now I understand the lack of brainwattage.

[Soul Crusher]

The only thing you have proven is that you are an idiot.

You have posted NO facts at all for this delusion you keep clinging to.

Why cant we just get along and live and let be?  

[MCWAY]

The founders, like Jefferson, believed in God, and were considered Deists, but were not big on organized religion.  

The more I read of the founders, like Jefferson, Washington, ect, the more I cherish the gift they gave us.  

A handful were deists. A lot more were Protestant Christians. They establish a government where Christian worship came voluntarily.

[LurkerNoMore]

Why cant we just get along and live and let be?  

Because generally when encountering rabid Christians they are actually to stupid to know that they are in fact, stupid.

[James]

Because generally when encountering rabid Christians they are actually to stupid to know that they are in fact, stupid.

maybe you should use the spell check before calling someone stupid

you are missing an "o"

LOL!!!

[MCWAY]

Again, if the Constitution was set up based on Christianity, then why would it grant freedom to ALL religions and forbid any religion to be placed above another.  The first commandment says what?  "You shall have no other God before me".  

If the US was based on Christianity - which it isn't - then it is a failed effort since the Constitution clearly allows for people to have other, or none, beings of spiritual devoting and worship higher than God if they so choose.

Wrong again, El Bonehead!! It is hardly a failed effort, because a Christian nation DOES NOT EQUATE to Christianity being mandated into worship by law. The church isn't the master or slave of the state. It is the conscience.

[LurkerNoMore]

LOL!!!

You bolded the wrong one.

Might want to rethink the LOL part there until you at least get it right.

[LurkerNoMore]

you are missing an "o"

lol!!

Glad to see you went back and corrected your first little attempt.

"LOL"

[MCWAY]

The only thing you have proven is that you are an idiot.

You have posted NO facts at all for this delusion you keep clinging to.

So, on top of your other shortcomings, you've missed your "Hooked on Phonics" sessions, again.

Clinging to delusions falls on you. A prime example of that is your silly statements about Democrats having indefinite power and Obama being a lock for a second term.

[Soul Crusher]

Because generally when encountering rabid Christians they are actually to stupid to know that they are in fact, stupid.

I believe the govt really has no business being involved with religion.  Its a toxic mix IMHO.

When people believe that "God" ordains them to take a public policy position, the end result really cant be that good.  I do believe in natural law however in terms as it pertains to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  

But that is where it ends.  The freedom of religion needs to be just as important as the freedom FROM religion since a religion can be anything.  

[LurkerNoMore]

I believe the govt really has no business being involved with religion.  Its a toxic mix IMHO.

When people believe that "God" ordains them to take a public policy position, the end result really cant be that good.  I do believe in natural law however in terms as it pertains to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  

But that is where it ends.  The freedom of religion needs to be just as important as the freedom FROM religion since a religion can be anything.  

Exactly.  Which is why the Founding Fathers were smart enough to establish a secular nation.

[LurkerNoMore]

So, on top of your other shortcomings, you've missed your "Hooked on Phonics" sessions, again.

Clinging to delusions falls on you. A prime example of that is your silly statements about Democrats having indefinite power and Obama being a lock for a second term.

Still nothing factual to post I see.

Instead of oh... say, words of the actual Constitution and words that came directly from the Founding Father's mouth.  But surely better evidence than that exists to support your little delusions.  But where?

Why don't you show us?  Oh that's right.  You can't.

[MCWAY]

I believe the govt really has no business being involved with religion.  Its a toxic mix IMHO.

When people believe that "God" ordains them to take a public policy position, the end result really cant be that good.  I do believe in natural law however in terms as it pertains to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  

But that is where it ends.  The freedom of religion needs to be just as important as the freedom FROM religion since a religion can be anything.  

People vote on policy, based on what they feel is right and wrong. That is formed largely by their religious beliefs (or lack of them).

Many believe in universal health care, because of the words of Jesus to heal the sick and care for those less fortunate. Of course, the big debate in politics is HOW they get such care and (more importantly) who foots the bill.

Many believe in the sanctity of life in the womb, based on religious beliefs. Others belief marriage is between a man and a woman, based on religious beliefs.

The list goes onward.

[Soul Crusher]

Exactly.  Which is why the Founding Fathers were smart enough to establish a secular nation.

The founders were scholars, historians, philosphers, and looked at all of the failed experiments of the past, including Rome, Greece, Constantinople, Byzantine Empire, etc and truly crafted a document hopefully fixing some of the errors that plagued those societies.  

While I respect religious people for the view points and beliefs, even they should understand the peril of having organized religion play any part in the govt.  

    

[dario73]

Because generally when encountering rabid Christians they are actually to stupid to know that they are in fact, stupid.

And I am the stupid one?

Listen you stupid atheist (which in itself is a religion), USA was based on Christian beliefs and 77% of Americans identify temselves as Christians. You want to argue that politicians shouldn't base on their decision on Christian beliefs. Fine. But, don't act like this country was founded solely on the whim and man made moral beliefs. Gee, I wonder what the main reason was for the Pilgrims to sail all the way to this continent. I wonder who they thank for the first year of survival.

What are you? 8 years old that you don't even understand your basic American history? Go back to school, nimrod.

[MCWAY]

Still nothing factual to post I see.

Instead of oh... say, words of the actual Constitution and words that came directly from the Founding Father's mouth.  But surely better evidence than that exists to support your little delusions.  But where?

Why don't you show us?  Oh that's right.  You can't.

Earth to El Bonehead, did I NOT just post the words that came from some of the Founding Fathers, along with their religious affliliations?

Recap:

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. - John Adams, 1798

Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” - John Jay, 1816

Once again, get a clue and some sense.