Is There Anything God Can't Do?

[MCWAY]

I'll happily admit that... atheism is having the courage to admit you don't know.

Could you admit that asserting the existence of some explanatory god or creator everytime you don't know or don't understand is just as ridiculous as blaming everything on Atheismo...?


Your god used to bring the rain; and summer; and winter and cause earthqakes and lightning... now he just hides in unanswerable metaphysical quanderies that may have no basis in reality.

Seems he's getting lazier... the more we understand, the less he actualy does.


The Luke

Atheists don't claim that they don't know (those are called agnostics). They state with certainty that there is no God. So, that weak argument doesn't fly.

Make up your mind here! Either you believe there is a God; you're not sure there is a God; or you know with certainty that there is no God.

[big L dawg]

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[YngiweRhoads]

Atheists don't claim that they don't know (those are called agnostics). They state with certainty that there is no God. So, that weak argument doesn't fly.

Make up your mind here! Either you believe there is a God; you're not sure there is a God; or you know with certainty that there is no God.

That is termed Agnostic Atheism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

There are many types of Atheism and Agnosticism.

[MCWAY]

That is termed Agnostic Atheism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

There are many types of Atheism and Agnosticism.

So, now the atheist crew has a floating definition, to go with its floating moral compass. You can be an atheist, if you claim you don't know. Or you can be an atheist, even if you ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN A SUPERNATURAL DEITY.

How nice!!!

[YngiweRhoads]

So, now the atheist crew has a floating definition, to go with its floating moral compass. You can be an atheist, if you claim you don't know. Or you can be an atheist, even if you ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN A SUPERNATURAL DEITY.

How nice!!!

If you've been debating this the entire time without knowing this, you have no position to be debating anything regarding this matter.

These aren't recent developments or 'revelations'. Everything isn't simply 'black and white'.

[tonymctones]

...as opposed to believing a lie designed to rob an control people?


The Luke

prove it to be a lie...

[big L dawg]

prove it to be a lie...

prove it's not...

[Government_Controlled]

Well, being I'm leaving now, I guess it will be appropriate to give the answer! "What can't God do?"

God CAN'T DIE!. You see, even if God Himself, wanted to die, He couldn't. The Scriptures indicate this to be one of His qualities. So, whether He is omni this, or omni that, doesn't make a bit of difference in the world. God can't die! This is one of the reasons Christians have the HOPE we do. We know, nothing can destroy our God! He is eternal!. Not a bad prospect to put your future/hope in. So long and may you find the truth! Peace!




Government_Controlled/Dea_Agent

[tonymctones]

prove it's not...

Ive already admitted I dont know and cant prove same as you dont know and cant prove. So at the end of the day we are where we started no better no worse but tomorrow you will again get up and try to prove something that is as you already know impossible to prove...seems alot like masturbation without the payoff 

I already admit that I cant prove it same as luke has but luke still states that its a lie not that he doesnt believe it but that its a flat out lie...so prove it...same to you dawg if you feel that its a lie, prove it...

[big L dawg]

I already admit that I cant prove it same as luke has but luke still states that its a lie not that he doesnt believe it but that its a flat out lie...so prove it...same to you dawg if you feel that its a lie, prove it...

I could care less if it's a lie or not...to each his own I say...you live your life I'll live mine...But....there are people on this forum that state there religious beliefs/opinions as if they are fact which is no different than what you are accusing Luke of doing....

[tonymctones]

I could care less if it's a lie or not...to each his own I say...you live your life I'll live mine...But....there are people on this forum that state there religious beliefs/opinions as if they are fact which is no different than what you are accusing Luke of doing....

agreed but they dont go to an atheist forum and post...luke comes to a religion forum and posts... theres a difference LMFAO if you dont see that

[Skeeter]

Well, being I'm leaving now, I guess it will be appropriate to give the answer! "What can't God do?"

God CAN'T DIE!. You see, even if God Himself, wanted to die, He couldn't. The Scriptures indicate this to be one of His qualities. So, whether He is omni this, or omni that, doesn't make a bit of difference in the world. God can't die! This is one of the reasons Christians have the HOPE we do. We know, nothing can destroy our God! He is eternal!. Not a bad prospect to put your future/hope in. So long and may you find the truth! Peace!




Government_Controlled/Dea_Agent

Since he only exists in the imaginations of the closed minded of course he will never die.

[big L dawg]

agreed but they dont go to an atheist forum and post...luke comes to a religion forum and posts... theres a difference LMFAO if you dont see that

how do you know wether they go to atheist forums or not...And whats wrong with Luke posting in said forum?...All he's doing is stating what he believes just as everyone else is...Man how boring would it be if the only people that posted in forums were people that all agreed and believed the same things....

[tonymctones]

how do you know wether they go to atheist forums or not...And whats wrong with Luke posting in said forum?...All he's doing is stating what he believes just as everyone else is...Man how boring would it be if the only people that posted in forums were people that all agreed and believed the same things....

maybe they do maybe they dont thats not the point i was trying to make...

point is luke says its a fact that God doesnt exist not that he believes he doesnt. If its a fact as he believes it to be than Im simply asking him to prove it...

you said that many religious ppl do the same thing...well luke criticizes them for doing that but then turns around and does the exact same thing 

[MCWAY]

If you've been debating this the entire time without knowing this, you have no position to be debating anything regarding this matter.

These aren't recent developments or 'revelations'. Everything isn't simply 'black and white'.

But, this issue IS such. You either believe or you don't.

[The Luke]

But, this issue IS such. You either believe or you don't.

...I'd hazard a guess McWay that you only believe in one of the several thousand gods on offer.

So really all you need do to understand the atheist viewpoint is simply apply the criteria by which you dismiss the thousands of other gods, to your own.


The Luke

[big L dawg]

...I'd hazard a guess McWay that you only believe in one of the several thousand gods on offer.

So really all you need do to understand the atheist viewpoint is simply apply the criteria by which you dismiss the thousands of other gods, to your own.


The Luke

exactly...I believe in one less god than they do that is all...The reason they dismiss all the other gods is the same reason I dismiss theres....

[MCWAY]

...I'd hazard a guess McWay that you only believe in one of the several thousand gods on offer.

So really all you need do to understand the atheist viewpoint is simply apply the criteria by which you dismiss the thousands of other gods, to your own.


The Luke

If the criteria I use supports my belief in that ONE deity, but not the others, your silly little blurb (and that of L Dawg) goes UP IN FLAMES.

And since belief in ONE deity is all it takes to disqualify me from being an atheist, your musings remain in the realm of the inaccurate.

Add to that, the atheist simply dismisses the gods, purported to be supernatural, and replaces them with a natural being of worship: HIMSELF!!

[YngiweRhoads]

If the criteria I use supports my belief in that ONE deity, but not the others.

 
I'm interested in what criteria you use to justify your belief in one deity over another, and how you validate these beliefs to come to your conclusions.  

Add to that, the atheist simply dismisses the gods, purported to be supernatural, and replaces them with a natural being of worship: HIMSELF!!

Supernatural is that which is unexplainable by natural law. Nothing is being purported with regards to gods being supernatural. Claiming that gods are not supernatural implies there is evidence of their existence.

Claiming man worships himself is an ad hominem argument. Stating that due to lack of evidence to support the existence of supernatural gods, thereby dismissing the notion, one must then worship themselves by default is asinine.

And since belief in ONE deity is all it takes to disqualify me from being an atheist, your musings remain in the realm of the inaccurate.

Atheism simply is a synonym for disbelief. If you disbelieve something, you are an atheist with regards to it. All this statement did was divert the focus of the argument from it's original intent. The intent being, why believe in one deity over another?

http://www.google.com/search?q=disbelief+synonym&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

[MCWAY]

I'm interested in what criteria you use to justify your belief in one deity over another, and how you validate these beliefs to come to your conclusions.  


Supernatural is that which is unexplainable by natural law. Nothing is being purported with regards to gods being supernatural. Claiming that gods are not supernatural implies there is evidence of their existence.

Claiming man worships himself is an ad hominem argument. Stating that due to lack of evidence to support the existence of supernatural gods, thereby dismissing the notion, one must then worship themselves by default is asinine.

Atheism simply is a synonym for disbelief. If you disbelieve something, you are an atheist with regards to it. All this statement did was divert the focus of the argument from it's original intent. The intent being, why believe in one deity over another?

http://www.google.com/search?q=disbelief+synonym&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

Once again, you're doing the whole bait-and-switch routine, with regards to the definition of atheism. But, it doesn't fly.

Atheists believes that there is NO God. Let me repeat that....NO God. Therefore, believing in just ONE deity disqualifies you from being an atheist, point blank.

The original argument (per the title of this thread) has nothing to do with believing one deity vs. another. In fact, the original intent is focused on the ability of ONE PARTICULAR DEITY.

With that said, it doesn't really matter why you believe in ONE deity vs. the others. As long as you believe in at least ONE, you are NOT an atheist, period.


Your claim that believe in ONE deity makes someone an atheist (as it relates to other deities) is as ridiculous as claiming that a parent with just one child is "childless" or "barren" (i.e. Sarah from the OT).









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[The Luke]

Your claim that believe in ONE deity makes someone an atheist (as it relates to other deities) is as ridiculous as claiming that a parent with just one child is "childless" or "barren" (i.e. Sarah from the OT).

Okay, okay... you don't understand the meaning of the word: "socialised"; and the word: "communism"; and you don't have a firm grasp of the subtle differences between the words "atheist"; "deist"; "antitheist" and "adiest".

But, just for the sake of argument, let's humour your delusions and stipulate that you are right.

So what?

You're still justifying the idea that dismissing 10,000 fairytales is irrational... but dismissing 9,999 different gods while simultaneously accepting one particular fairytale as incontrovertibly true.


Can you at least concede that you are a "non-believer" with regard to thousands and thousands of different gods, while an atheist is simply a "non-believer" with regard to thousands and thousands of gods, plus one....?

Can you concede that yours is a patently subjective stance...?

Can you concede that such selective subjectivity is intrinsically irrational...?


Again, the question is pretty simple... Why Jesus? Why not Wotan?


The Luke 

[MCWAY]

Okay, okay... you don't understand the meaning of the word: "socialised"; and the word: "communism"; and you don't have a firm grasp of the subtle differences between the words "atheist"; "deist"; "antitheist" and "adiest".

I see you're under the comical delusion that bringing other issues from other threads is going to save you from making yourself look silly again.

But, just for the sake of argument, let's humour your delusions and stipulate that you are right.

So what?

You're still justifying the idea that dismissing 10,000 fairytales is irrational... but dismissing 9,999 different gods while simultaneously accepting one particular fairytale as incontrovertibly true.

First, I never claimed that "dismissing 10,000 fairytales is irrational". What I've said, O myopic one, is that when it comes to being an atheist vs. NOT being an atheist, it's simply an all-or-nothing deal.

ONE MORE TIME!!! Either you believe there is a supreme deity OR YOU DON'T. Claiming that someone's an atheist, because he believes in ONE deity (even at the exclusion of others) is again just as dumb as saying that a woman is childless or barren, simply because she has but ONE child.

If the issue is being an atheist vs. not being one, your pitiful complaint holds NO WATER.

Can you at least concede that you are a "non-believer" with regard to thousands and thousands of different gods, while an atheist is simply a "non-believer" with regard to thousands and thousands of gods, plus one....?

Did you get your Phonics session today? The issue isn't how deities in which I don't believe. What matters is how many in which I DO BELIEVE.

Again, go back to the simple analogy (the best type, when it comes to destroying your claims) of being a parent. It doesn't matter how kids I DON'T HAVE but how many I DO HAVE. To be a dad, how many kids do I need? ONE!!

To be a believer in a deity, how many supernatural entities must I acknowledge to exist or give some sort of reverence?

Answer: ONE

That's ONE, not two, ten, or ten thousand......just ONE!!

Can you concede that yours is a patently subjective stance...?

Can you concede that such selective subjectivity is intrinsically irrational...?


Again, the question is pretty simple... Why Jesus? Why not Wotan?


The Luke  

None of that matters, in your weak attempt to paint Christians as atheists. If you believe in one deity, you are a man of faith; hence you are NOT an atheist, bottom line.

[The Luke]

I see you're under the comical delusion that bringing other issues from other threads is going to save you from making yourself look silly again.

First, I never claimed that "dismissing 10,000 fairytales is irrational". What I've said, O myopic one, is that when it comes to being an atheist vs. NOT being an atheist, it's simply an all-or-nothing deal.

ONE MORE TIME!!! Either you believe there is a supreme deity OR YOU DON'T. Claiming that someone's an atheist, because he believes in ONE deity (even at the exclusion of others) is again just as dumb as saying that a woman is childless or barren, simply because she has but ONE child.

If the issue is being an atheist vs. not being one, your pitiful complaint holds NO WATER.

Did you get your Phonics session today? The issue isn't how deities in which I don't believe. What matters is how many in which I DO BELIEVE.

Again, go back to the simple analogy (the best type, when it comes to destroying your claims) of being a parent. It doesn't matter how kids I DON'T HAVE but how many I DO HAVE. To be a dad, how many kids do I need? ONE!!

To be a believer in a deity, how many supernatural entities must I acknowledge to exist or give some sort of reverence?

Answer: ONE

That's ONE, not two, ten, or ten thousand......just ONE!!

None of that matters, in your weak attempt to paint Christians as atheists. If you believe in one deity, you are a man of faith; hence you are NOT an atheist, bottom line.

...so, why do you dismiss the thousands of other gods, again? Epic evasion.


You, McWay, are simply afraid to explain why you dismiss all these other gods and goddesses; deities and demigods because ANY argument you make would equally disqualify your own personal favorite god.

It's just that simple... you'll argue any other point, nitpick any trivial piece of minutiae, but in the end, you ARE "the best caller of the day".

The Luke

[YngiweRhoads]

Okay, okay... you don't understand the meaning of the word: "socialised"; and the word: "communism"; and you don't have a firm grasp of the subtle differences between the words "atheist"; "deist"; "antitheist" and "adiest".

But, just for the sake of argument, let's humour your delusions and stipulate that you are right.

So what?

You're still justifying the idea that dismissing 10,000 fairytales is irrational... but dismissing 9,999 different gods while simultaneously accepting one particular fairytale as incontrovertibly true.


Can you at least concede that you are a "non-believer" with regard to thousands and thousands of different gods, while an atheist is simply a "non-believer" with regard to thousands and thousands of gods, plus one....?

Can you concede that yours is a patently subjective stance...?

Can you concede that such selective subjectivity is intrinsically irrational...?


Again, the question is pretty simple... Why Jesus? Why not Wotan?


The Luke 

MCWAY won't answer your question The Luke as he seems to not be able to understand that there is a question being posed. Or perhaps he feigns this misunderstanding and lack of comprehension due to the fact he knows any answer he gives will support the opposing side of the argument, as any means of invalidating another religion or deity can then be used to invalidate his own.

He seems stuck on the fact that Christians are not one form of Atheists, which still doesn't answer the question being posed and is merely a digression of the topic at hand. Digression itself seems to be the topic of this thread. lol

Again, why one deity over another MCWAY? It's a simple question.

[YngiweRhoads]

...so, why do you dismiss the thousands of other gods, again? Epic evasion.


You, McWay, are simply afraid to explain why you dismiss all these other gods and goddesses; deities and demigods because ANY argument you make would equally disqualify your own personal favorite god.

It's just that simple... you'll argue any other point, nitpick any trivial piece of minutiae, but in the end, you ARE "the best caller of the day".

The Luke

I agree 100%. Funny, you posted this as I was typing my last response and they pretty much say the same thing.