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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #250 on: April 03, 2011, 08:05:58 PM »
Immaculate Deception: Fraud in reporting Obama's birth
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Let’s forget for a moment about the allegations that Barack Hussein Obama Jr. is not a naturalized U.S. citizen and examine the incontrovertible facts surrounding the reporting of his mysterious birth in 1961.


•Fact 1: Barack Obama Sr. (the President’s father) was married to another woman (Kezia Aoko) in Africa at the time of Barack Hussein Obama Jr’s birth to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama (the President’s mother).

•Fact 2: In the United States, being married to two women at the same time is illegal. It is the crime of bigamy.

•Fact 3: In 1961 someone placed a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper declaring the birth of a son to “Mr. and Mrs.” Barack Obama (Sr).

•Fact 4: Stanley Ann Dunham (Barack Jr’s mother) claims to have been married to Barack Obama Sr. at that time. Barack Obama Jr. also claims that his parents were married and later divorced.

The facts raise several interesting questions:


•1. Did Barack Obama Sr. inform Stanley Ann Dunham of his concurrent marriage to the woman in Africa? (If not, he committed fraud as well as bigamy.)

•2. Did Stanley Ann Dunham marry Barack Obama Sr. knowing he was already married to another woman? (If so, they were both fraudulent.)

•3. Did Stanley Ann’s parents know about the first wife and approve of the marriage of their daughter to an already married man? (If so, they were involved in fraud too.)

•4. Were Barack Obama Sr and Stanley Ann Dunham really married? If not, the placement of the birth announcement of “their son” in the Honolulu Advertiser was fraudulent—unless, of course, the “Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama (Sr)” was referring to Mr. Obama and his first wife, in which case, Barack Obama Jr. is not really Stanley Ann Dunham’s child.

•5. Does Barack Hussein Obama Jr know about the circumstances surrounding the fraudulent reporting of his birth? If so, that may explain his reluctance to come forward with details about it and his propensity to hide the truth whenever anyone questions his background.


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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #251 on: April 03, 2011, 08:12:43 PM »
Original Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii is different from Obama’s COLB   
DOCUMENT CONTAINS REGISTRAR’S NAME, ISSUE DATE AND RAISED SEAL
by Sharon Rondeau



http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/25/original-certificate-of-live-birth-from-hawaii-is-different-from-obamas-colb




John F. Sweeney produced this edge-detection image of the Certificate of Live Birth obtained by The Post & Email from a person who had requested it from the Hawaii Department of Health

(Apr. 25, 2010) — The Post & Email is in possession of an original paper “Certificate of Live Birth” recently issued from the Hawaii Department of Health to an American citizen born at Kapiolani Medical Center in Hawaii in 1981 as verified by his mother.

At first glance, the document appears similar to the image posted on Obama’s campaign website.  However, there are some differences:

■The document is titled “Certificate of Live Birth” as opposed to Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth.”
■There is more information about the parents on the right side of the document across from the spaces for “Mother’s Race” and “Father’s Race.”  Both the mother’s and father’s places of birth are printed there.  Obama’s purported “document” does not have that information.
■There is a visible certificate number at the top, while Obama’s is blacked out.
■On the back, there is a stamped date, presumably the date the document was issued from the Department of Health.
■Below the date there is a stamp which reads:  “I CERTIFY THIS IS A TRUE COPY OR ABSTRACT OF THE RECORD ON FILE IN THE HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.”  The signature of Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D., is also there, followed by the words “STATE REGISTRAR.”
■The document contains a raised seal which is visible from both sides, unlike Obama’s.
■There are no marks where it looks as if something has bled through from the back to the front as in Obama’s “document.”
The Post & Email had published an in-depth analysis by photographic expert John F. Sweeney of the document which Factcheck.org claimed to have photographed at its Chicago office in March 2008 but which Sweeney maintains was taken at the Obama campaign headquarters instead.

Factcheck.org claims that the document on their website has a raised seal.  However, the same edge-detection technique used with the image from Factcheck’s website shown below yields no such raised seal.  Mr. Sweeney stated in his earlier analysis:


Edge-detection of the document released by Factcheck.org shows no raised seal (John F. Sweeney)
“What else is in, or more importantly, not in this photo? There is absolutely no evidence of a raised seal in the lower right portion of the document where the supposed scans and other supposed photos show the raised, 3-D seal from the Department of Health machine. The seal should be located in the area that has the shadow of the arm. But it is not there. It is not visible to the naked eye; there is not a sign of it under any zooming of the original photo; no digital manipulation tools find any evidence of a raised seal in this picture. With 100% certainty, the raised seal is not there. So this is merely a picture of a printout. It is definitely not an official COLB from Hawaii…The photo is not that of an official Hawaiian issue COLB due to the lack of a raised seal.”

According to a WorldNetDaily report dated July 29, 2009, in 1961, there were four different ways to obtain birth documentation from the Hawaii Department of Health, including a mail-in registration requiring no in-person substantiation of the birth by an adult.  One website reports that there were six ways to do so, with one category, the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, being eliminated in 1972.

The Hawaii Department of Health provides the following information on how to apply for a “late registration” of birth:

As provided by law (HRS §§338-15, 338-29.5), the following persons may apply for late registration:

■Any person born in Hawaii who is one year old or older and whose birth has not been previously registered in Hawaii, or that person’s parent, guardian, next of kin, or older person acting for that person and having knowledge of the facts of birth may request the registration of a late certificate of birth, except that an application will not be accepted for a deceased person.

■Registration of a late certificate of death, marriage, or divorce may be requested by the person in charge of the disposition of the body, marriage officiant or performer, or court clerk, respectively.

Factcheck.org claims that members of its staff examined Obama’s “birth certificate” at Obama headquarters and that “we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it’s stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates).”  However, Factcheck displays a raised seal which cannot be conclusively determined to belong to Obama’s COLB, and the photo above of the Factcheck document using edge-detection shows no raised seal.

Likewise, Factcheck displays the stamp of Alvin T. Onaka’s signature in a close-up shot, but the background appears to be a darker shade of green than the full document.  Similarly, the “blowup” of the “City” field on the Factcheck document appears to be a different shade of green than the full-size document shown above it.  There is nothing to prove that an official registrar’s stamp, raised seal, or date stamp are present on the Factcheck document.




“Blowup” of a closeup from Obama’s purported “birth certificate” from Factcheck.org
In Factcheck’s “Analysis” of the purported Obama birth certificate, several links to news articles  which supposedly quoted Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii Department of Health as saying that she had personally seen Obama’s birth certificate on file no longer work, although the cited news reports are readily available elsewhere, and Dr. Fukino’s official public statements can be found here and here.

The document which The Post &  Email has obtained shows the word “Certificate” at the top.  The person to whom it belongs was born in Hawaii.  Is the “Certification” document with Obama’s name on it an indication that he received a “delayed registration”? Is the word “Certification” used only in cases where a birth in Hawaii cannot be conclusively proven?

During a meeting of the Kenyan Parliament on March 25, 2010, Minister of Lands James Orengo stated that Obama was born in Kenya and not in the United States (p. 31).  A previous Parliament meeting on November 5, 2008 contains multiple references to what might be understood as his birth in Kenya.  The Kenyan ambassador to the U.S., Mr. Peter Ogego, stated that Obama’s birthplace is Kenya “is well-known,” and Obama’s wife has called Kenya his “home country.”

To date, no witnesses to Obama’s birth in Hawaii have come forward.  Questions about his original birth certificate have been avoided by both the Bush administration and Obama regime.

Could Obama himself have requested a document from the Hawaii Department of Health in 2007 in preparation for his run for President?  Did he file for a “delayed registration”?  If so, what documentation did he present to Dr. Fukino or someone else at the Health Department?  Could he have presented the birth announcements from the two Hawaii newspapers as proof of his birth there to obtain the “Certification of Live Birth”?

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Editor’s Note: Many thanks to John F. Sweeney for his assistance in preparing this report.













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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #252 on: April 03, 2011, 08:21:49 PM »
Obama Birth Announcement Forged

By Jon Carlson

 


 

 

Investigator Jorge Baro reports (source):




 


The Linotype typesetting machince circa 1961 was a great advancement over the previous individual setting of type. Lines were set in lead alloy slugs that were pushed together in a frame to form columns.


 

 


This close-up of the Advertiser ad shows grossly different type font. Columns vary in width with laughable alignment:


 

 


This close-up from the Star-Bulletin ad shows similar faults:




 

This closeup shows the use of Senior (Sr.) to describe two fathers. Missing above and elsewhere is the Senior (Sr.) for Barack H. Obama in both ads.




 

This closeup emphasizes the gross misalignment in the Advertiser ad. The use of middle initial for all names and the insertion of ads within the Births lists is unusual.




 

This comparison of alleged Obama ads show SIMILAR TYPE FONT indicating that the same Linotype typesetting machine was used to forge both ads. Can you say C-I-A?



http://www.hoaxofthecentury.com/ForgedObama1.htm


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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #253 on: April 03, 2011, 08:39:07 PM »
I wonder how many brainwashed Obama supporters actually know that his real name is Barry Soetoro.  I bet less than 10%
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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #254 on: April 03, 2011, 10:15:00 PM »


I listened to this clip.  The guy is making a lot of assumptions.  How does he know the grandparents or the mom placed a fake add in the paper after Obama was born?  

This is a loser.  Isn't it the State of Hawaii that determines whether or not someone was born there?  If the state officials have already confirmed they reviewed the "records," whatever those are, then even if a birth certificate doesn't exist, birthers can still prove nothing.  I'm not sure what the endgame is.  They can't unseal the records, and even if they could, they still lose.    

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #255 on: April 03, 2011, 10:20:04 PM »
And when they lose Obama has an edge in 2012?

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #256 on: April 03, 2011, 10:29:10 PM »
And when they lose Obama has an edge in 2012?

Only if the Republican nominee tries to make this an issue. 

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #257 on: April 04, 2011, 05:06:12 AM »
Funny:   Bama has the time to fill out paperwork to run for re-election but not give ambercromibe th permission to release the records.   

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #258 on: April 04, 2011, 06:02:06 AM »
if his dad isn't the same guy.... you'll haev Rush calling him "that bastard" for the next 2 years.  Right?


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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #259 on: April 04, 2011, 06:06:50 AM »
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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #260 on: April 04, 2011, 02:47:53 PM »
Second thoughts about that birth certificate
Comments (0) Share Print By: Matt Patterson 04/03/11 8:05 PM
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.Like most people, I had discarded the issue about President Obama's birth certificate long ago as without merit. Recently, though, possible Republican presidential contender Donald Trump has renewed public interest in the matter, and so I decided to take a second look.
While Trump is mistaken in some particulars, to my surprise, the matter turns out to be more complicated than I originally thought.

Obama defenders say that the he did release his birth certificate, making the entire argument moot. That is true ... sort of. In June 2008, the Obama campaign released of a "certification of live birth," which was examined and photographed by factcheck.org.

The document lists the birth of Barack Hussein Obama II on Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii. However, critical information often contained in an original birth certificate, including physician and hospital of delivery, is missing. Factcheck.org explains why:

"The document is a 'certification of birth,' also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. ... We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response."

This truncated document nevertheless seems acceptable to at least some government agencies as proof of birth and citizenship. Further, it seems inconceivable that this "short form" document could be generated if a corresponding original "long form" did not exist. Case closed, right?

Not so fast. Factcheck.org. bills itself as "a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania," with funding largely derived from "an endowment created in 1993 by the Annenberg Foundation ... and a 1995 grant by the Annenberg Foundation."

Obama was famously a founding board member of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, also a project of the Annenberg Foundation. The connection is strong enough, in my mind, to raise reasonable questions about the objectivity of factcheck.org in matters regarding Obama.

Then there is the stubborn issue of Hawaii's governor -- and Obama family friend -- Neil Abercrombie, who had vowed upon taking office to once and for all prove that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, thereby neutralizing the issue in advance of the 2012 campaign.

Abercrombie claims to have found ... something. "It [the proof] was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," he told the Honolulu Star-Advertiser.

Written down? What on earth does that mean? Did some anonymous government employee scribble on a napkin: "On this day, Barack Obama was born?" Either an original, hospital-generated, long-form birth certificate exists or it doesn't, and either the governor has founhttp://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/2011/04/second-thoughts-about-birth-certificated it or he hasn't.

It seems from his vague answer that what he has been told was found is not that original birth document. The governor certainly has not released any additional information or documentation, despite his repeated promises to do so. In fact, he seems to have conveniently forgotten the subject altogether.

What does all of this mean? I'm not sure. Probably nothing. Yet it is amazing that unanswered questions continue to swirl around Obama's birthplace. Even more mysterious is why the president doesn't clear up the matter unequivocally, as surely only he can. I really wish he would, if only to remove an unnecessary distraction from the public debate.

It is no wonder that some opponents of the president are fixated on this issue: If (and it is a very big if) it could be proved that Obama was born outside the United States, then the legitimacy of any legislation he has signed into law would be instantly questionable.

So long Obamacare?

Matt Patterson is a columnist and commentator and a contributor to "Proud to Be Right: Voices of the Next Conservative Generation" (HarperCollins, 2010).





http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/2011/04/second-thoughts-about-birth-certificate


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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #261 on: April 04, 2011, 03:55:30 PM »
Only if the Republican nominee tries to make this an issue. 


Exactly.  I wish this issue would die, die, die.

33, hold yourself to the same standard you hold the 9/11 loons believers to.  I know how bad you hate Barry, but hang tough...2012 is just around the bend.

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« Reply #262 on: April 04, 2011, 04:07:06 PM »
I Think it could cost them the election. 

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #263 on: April 04, 2011, 04:11:26 PM »
Even the gov can't get to the bottom of this.

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« Reply #264 on: April 05, 2011, 10:38:24 AM »

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #265 on: April 05, 2011, 10:50:27 AM »
This should be called "all things stupid and believed by morons"

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #266 on: April 05, 2011, 10:51:51 AM »
Where is the long form BC signed by a doctor naming the hospital of birth? 

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« Reply #267 on: April 05, 2011, 10:52:25 AM »
where's the DNA test proving Obama is even human?

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #268 on: April 05, 2011, 10:54:45 AM »
Where is the long form BC signed by a doctor naming the hospital of birth? 

Where is the LEGAL requirement that he proves he has it?

The State of Hawaii has PROVEN he was born there by producing a COLB.  Are you saying Hawaii state officials are lying?
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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #269 on: April 05, 2011, 10:55:34 AM »
Where is the LEGAL requirement that he proves he has it?

The State of Hawaii has PROVEN he was born there by producing a COLB.  Are you saying Hawaii state officials are lying?

Do you even read?   The colb is a fraud and I proved that already.   

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« Reply #270 on: April 05, 2011, 10:58:54 AM »
Do you even read?   The colb is a fraud and I proved that already.   

The State of Hawaii health officials are on record saying it is a legitimate document.  Are you saying they are lying?
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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #271 on: April 05, 2011, 11:01:14 AM »
I can provide quotes if need be.  Can you PROVE they are lying?  Can you PROVE the state of Hawaii is lying?
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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #272 on: April 05, 2011, 11:05:53 AM »
I can provide quotes if need be.  Can you PROVE they are lying?  Can you PROVE the state of Hawaii is lying?

Go ahead -  at the end of the conversation even you will be a birther - i promise.   The best you wll bwe able to come up with is that they say the cold comports with what they have "written down" and that is not even a long form bc or anything else.   Gov. ambercromie spficially set out to discredit the birthers and gave up saying he could not find a long form BC for obama.   


Additionally, the COLB offers completely bullshit informaton that was not around i 1961 proving it is not real.   In 1961 there was no such thing as "african" as being listed as the race of the father or mother.   

 

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #273 on: April 05, 2011, 11:08:57 AM »
Go ahead -  at the end of the conversation even you will be a birther - i promise.   The best you wll bwe able to come up with is that they say the cold comports with what they have "written down" and that is not even a long form bc or anything else.   Gov. ambercromie spficially set out to discredit the birthers and gave up saying he could not find a long form BC for obama.   


Additionally, the COLB offers completely bullshit informaton that was not around i 1961 proving it is not real.   In 1961 there was no such thing as "african" as being listed as the race of the father or mother.   

 
So basically you are saying he wasnt born in the US and you can prove it with out a shadow of a doubt?

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« Reply #274 on: April 05, 2011, 11:13:25 AM »
Go ahead -  at the end of the conversation even you will be a birther - i promise.   The best you wll bwe able to come up with is that they say the cold comports with what they have "written down" and that is not even a long form bc or anything else.   Gov. ambercromie spficially set out to discredit the birthers and gave up saying he could not find a long form BC for obama.   


Additionally, the COLB offers completely bullshit informaton that was not around i 1961 proving it is not real.   In 1961 there was no such thing as "african" as being listed as the race of the father or mother.   

 

So you are saying that Hawaii, the state, is lying when it says Obama was born in Hawaii?  Because by issuing a COLB that is EXACTLY what they are saying.  They can not change or put anything on there that is not already in the Hawaii records. 
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