All things "Birther" Thread

[Soul Crusher]

He probably does have a LFBC doesn't mean he has to show you it.  The state has it on file, they used it to create a COLB for him to prove his place of birth.  

Can you prove they don't have the LFBC in the file?  

Funny because the race of the father on the COLB is listed as "African" when that was not even an option or choice in 1961. 

[kcballer]

Funny because the race of the father on the COLB is listed as "African" when that was not even an option or choice in 1961. 

Funny because - “The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said. Hawaiian State official.

[kcballer]

you think is someone born in the south had 'negro' on their original certificate would have it on a newer requested copy?  Didn't think so. 

[Soul Crusher]

you think is someone born in the south had 'negro' on their original certificate would have it on a newer requested copy?  Didn't think so. 

He wasnt born in the south.   

[kcballer]

He wasnt born in the south.   

It's an example.  Rules change, regulations change.  Already been explained.   

[OzmO]

It's an example.  Rules change, regulations change.  Already been explained.   

Where's the long form?

[Soul Crusher]

It's an example.  Rules change, regulations change.  Already been explained.   

Tha's funny because Obama's lawyers in court never offered that explaination for the discrepancy and Fukino never said that the race issue or classification was anexample of what you are saying.  

[kcballer]

Where's the long form?

Hahaha How long does it have to be?  12 inches?  I think 333 is looking for something else LFBC - Long Form Black Cock?  

[kcballer]

Tha's funny because Obama's lawyers in court never offered that explaination for the discrepancy and Fukino never said that the race issue or classification was anexample of what you are saying.  

Didn't need to.  Times change, so do forms.  They modernize and streamline.  Welcome to the world of moving forward.  We can't all be stuck in 1961 for ever. 

[Soul Crusher]

Didn't need to.  Times change, so do forms.  They modernize and streamline.  Welcome to the world of moving forward.  We can't all be stuck in 1961 for ever. 

  

[andreisdaman]

Hahaha How long does it have to be?  12 inches?  I think 333 is looking for something else LFBC - Long Form Black Cock?  

I mentioned this to him already....I think this is the case..there's some black guy in his neighborhood that he is after but the guy won't give him the time of day...so he misdirects his aggression toward Obama

[Soul Crusher]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/04/06/trump_expresses_real_doubts_about_obamas_birthplace.html

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Trump Expresses "Real Doubts" About Obama's Birthplace
 
In an interview set to air on Thursday's "Today Show," Donald Trump now reveals he has "real doubts" if President Obama was born in the United States. Trump said "three weeks ago" he thought differently, now he has changed his mind.

[Soul Crusher]

Trump’s Hawaii Investigation Wednesday, April 6, 2011
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Oval Office Showdown +

Tells “Today” he has people in the Aloha State conducting on-the-ground research into the president’s birthplace.


MEREDITH VIEIRA:
So, is the time right now for you?

DONALD TRUMP:
Well, the time certainly is right. We’re a laughing stock as a country throughout the world. We’re being taken advantage of by other countries

***

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
If you were President, would keep a military presence in Iraq indefinitely.

DONALD TRUMP:
Let me just say something. There’s nobody more militaristic than me, but it’s also called attack the right target. Iran is going to take over Iraq, because we have de-neutered Iraq, you know that, in terms of their military. They’re gonna take them over very quickly as soon as we leave. If that’s gonna happen, they’re gonna take over the oil fields. The second biggest oil fields in the world. And if that’s gonna happen, I say we take over the oil fields…I would take over the oil fields, because otherwise, Iran is gonna take over the second biggest oil fields in the world. I would absolutely, without question, not leave that section of that country. I would take the oil. To the victor belong the spoils. You know, in the old days, you’d have a war. And you’d be in there. And you’d win. And you’d take over the country. Whether it’s oil or gold or whatever. You take over the country.

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
Okay. Are you saying if you were President, you would take us out of Afghanistan?

DONALD TRUMP:

Well, nothing’s simple. Because I don’t believe in foot soldiers. They get blown up on streets. But I do believe in airplanes that are 50,000 feet up. And when we see through intelligence what’s going on, knock the hell out. Oh, by the way, I’m much more militaristic than Obama. He got the Nobel Peace Prize, but, you know, I think they’re probably rethinking that one, every time he seizes a country. The problem is he seizes countries, but he doesn’t win….I’m not gonna have soldiers walking down on the street and get blown up and get shot at by snipers and killed, so we have to call the parents and say, "Your son was just killed on a street in Afghanistan." But those people will have a lot more problems with me than they’re having right now. But I do it through the air and we’re not gonna have casualties.

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MEREDITH VIEIRA:
Do you think given all the issues that this country is facing that this is something that resonates with the public? That they care about this?

DONALD TRUMP:
The Constitution of the United States…great document. And you agree with it?

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
Yeah, sure.

DONALD TRUMP:
It says you have to be born in this country. Essential. Have to be born in this country, okay? If he wasn’t born in this country, he has conned the whole world.

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
But you’re saying it’s a con. That’s what you’re saying.

DONALD TRUMP:
I’m not saying anything. I’m saying--

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
Sure you are.

DONALD TRUMP:
I am saying I want to see the birth certificate. It’s very simple. I want to see the birth certificate. How come his own family doesn’t know which hospital he was born in? How come-- forget about birth certificates. Let’s say there’s no birth certificate. How come in the hospital itself, okay? This is one of the…in the hospital itself, there’s no records of his birth. In other words, it doesn’t say how much they paid, where is the doctor, here’s your room bill. You know, all the

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
You’ve been privy to all of this to know this?

DONALD TRUMP:
Well, I have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they’re talking.

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
You have people now out there searching-- I mean, in Hawaii?

DONALD TRUMP:
Absolutely. And they cannot believe what they’re finding. And I’m serious--
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MEREDITH VIERA:
You criticized Obama quite a bit in this interview and in the past. What do you think he has done well?

DONALD TRUMP:

I think the thing that he did best of all, is get elected. Get elected. He ran an unbelievable campaign although, in the end, Hillary was beating him in every state. It was pretty-- I mean, by the end, I think people were maybe getting wise. And, you have to understand, I want Obama to do well. I don't dislike him. I never met him….

If I had my choice of having Obama do great as a president, and do a really great job for this country, and not running, as opposed to running - I'd prefer that he did a great job. I love this country. But, this country is going to hell.

***

MEREDITH VIERA:
Among those potential Republican candidates, can you point to any of them and say, "That person would be a fine president"?

DONALD TRUMP:
Well, you know, it's funny. They've all treated me so nicely. They've been so great… I'm not gonna go on any individual, but I will tell you I understand them. I know many of them…

I know this. I will be better than anybody. I will do the best job. If I decide to run, I will do the best job. I will be best for this country. And, you may say, "Oh, gee, that doesn't sound like George Washington." Well, guess what? Before George Washington ran, he didn't sound like George Washington either. I will be and do a great job, if I run and if I win.


http://nation.foxnews.com/donald-trump/2011/04/06/trump-i-have-investigators-hawaiithey-cannot-believe-what-theyre-finding


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Awesome!   Donald taking out the trash.  Getting to the bottom of bama's scam on the public. 

[MB]

Didn't need to.  Times change, so do forms.  They modernize and streamline.  Welcome to the world of moving forward.  We can't all be stuck in 1961 for ever. 

Birth certificates don't change.  Why would you so easily accept that he has a long form birth certificate?  Have you seen it?  We're shown a phony looking COLB and know for a fact that he used multiple social security numbers.  Something smells rotten here. 

[Soul Crusher]

Birth certificates don't change.  Why would you so easily accept that he has a long form birth certificate?  Have you seen it?  We're shown a phony looking COLB and know for a fact that he used multiple social security numbers.  Something smells rotten here. 

Not to Team Kneepad.   Its perfectly normal to hide everything from public, use 16 social security numbers, have a phoney Selective Service Registration ticket, use alias, have no record of name changes or adoptions.  etc.   Dont we all have relatives like that?      

[tu_holmes]

Birth certificates don't change.  Why would you so easily accept that he has a long form birth certificate?  Have you seen it?  We're shown a phony looking COLB and know for a fact that he used multiple social security numbers.  Something smells rotten here. 

That's not true... Birth Certificates do change.

If I go get a birth certificate for myself from the commonwealth of virginia right now... It does not look like the birth certificate from 1950.

[Soul Crusher]

That's not true... Birth Certificates do change.

If I go get a birth certificate for myself from the commonwealth of virginia right now... It does not look like the birth certificate from 1950.

Yes, but the original is on file with raised seal and signed by a doc or govt officer certying it.  What bama presented is pure nonsense. 

[tu_holmes]

Yes, but the original is on file with raised seal and signed by a doc or govt officer certying it.  What bama presented is pure nonsense. 

You know this for a fact?

You're admitting that there is a birth certificate then?

The Certificate of live birth is a valid form in regards to getting a social security card and a job... How is it "nonsense". That form and a SS card will allow you to fill out a W-4 form at a job.

[Soul Crusher]

You know this for a fact?

You're admitting that there is a birth certificate then?

The Certificate of live birth is a valid form in regards to getting a social security card and a job... How is it "nonsense". That form and a SS card will allow you to fill out a W-4 form at a job.

No, I was speaking of your BC. 

Bama said in Dreams From my Father, allegedly written in 1995 he had a BC.  However, he released a COLB that was created in 2007 for the campaign.  Where is the one he was referring to in dreams and why wont he release it? 


Personally I believe a long form does exist but it shoes a different father or none at all. 

[Soul Crusher]

Donald Trump Giving Birther To Obama Secretiveness
Bayou Buzz News ^ | April 6, 2011 | Jeff Crouere



Billionaire businessman Donald Trump has been on a roll the past few weeks. While the mainstream news media has dismissed the Obama birth certificate issue, Trump has embraced it and questioned why Obama will not release his long form birth certificate. While most of the other GOP presidential candidates offer to work with China in a cooperative manner, Trump maintains the U.S. needs to get tough and slap a massive 25 percent tariff on their products. On the Fox News “O’Reilly” show, Trump promised to withdraw American troops from any Middle Eastern country that does not sell oil to the U.S. at discounted prices.

While he is considering the race, he is garnering more media attention than all of the other potential candidates combined. As a result, he is improving his standing in the polls. In the latest Public Policy poll of likely GOP voters in New Hampshire, Trumps runs a strong second to Mitt Romney. The result surprised the pollsters, but shows that Trump is striking a chord with the base of the Republican Party.

Although he is gaining traction with the voters, Trump’s bold ideas are not sitting well with the media elite. On the “O’Reilly” program, Fox News, analyst Brit Hume claimed that Trump was too controversial and that the GOP would be better suited to find a candidate that would keep the focus on Obama. Hume is a typical Republican insider who wants the party to nominate a “safe” candidate who will not bring up controversial issues like Obama’s birth certificate. In contrast, most GOP voters are ready for a non-traditional candidate who will take the fight directly to Obama.

In the 2012 election, Obama will have $1 billion to spend. The only candidate who can match him dollar for dollar is Donald Trump. Trump is also very comfortable on television and is a very good communicator. As a smart and successful businessman, he can easily debate Obama on the issues.

Unlike Obama, Trump has a very public track record. While much of his personal life has been controversial and he has been married several times, at least his background is available to anyone who wants to see it. In contrast, Obama is the real mystery man, even after 27 months in the Oval Office. According to World Net Daily, “besides Obama's actual birth documentation, the president has refused to release his Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, Illinois State Bar Association records, baptism records and his adoption records.”

It is shocking that the mainstream news media has been so lax in their background checks of Barack Obama. No GOP President would be allowed such kid glove media treatment. The media demands that Republican candidates release all of their personal information, claiming that it’s the “public’s right to know.” Of course, in the case of Obama, the mainstream news media has been strangely silent.

At least Trump is pushing an issue that is of interest to Americans who continue to question the official birth story of Barack Obama. By highlighting an issue that other GOP presidential contenders will not touch, Trump is displaying both courage and keen political instincts.

This issue has helped to separate Trump from many of his competitors and earned him high praise from conservative tea party activists. As each day passes, it seems more and more likely that Trump will not only run for President, but also that he will be a force to be reckoned with in the 2012 presidential race.



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[tu_holmes]

No, I was speaking of your BC. 

Bama said in Dreams From my Father, allegedly written in 1995 he had a BC.  However, he released a COLB that was created in 2007 for the campaign.  Where is the one he was referring to in dreams and why wont he release it? 


Personally I believe a long form does exist but it shoes a different father or none at all. 

So no father makes him still a US naturalized citizen, which again, makes the whole point ridiculously stupid.

[Soul Crusher]

So no father makes him still a US naturalized citizen, which again, makes the whole point ridiculously stupid.

No, but there is an issue that he rejected hisd citizenship in order to enroll in school in indonesia since they only allow indonesian citizens to enroll in their schools at thew time.   Lolo Sotero allegeldy adopted obama in order to get him citizenship in indonesia.  So the issue might be that they changed the birtch certificate later.   

There is also an issue that there was a law requiring the parents to have been residents for 10 years or some shit before qualifiyng as a citizen.  FarRightLooney posted on this. 

I know everyone wants this to go away, but its not because there are serious issues not resolved and calling a lot into question.

16 SS numbers?  Come on, that is more than bizarre. 

[tu_holmes]

No, but there is an issue that he rejected hisd citizenship in order to enroll in school in indonesia since they only allow indonesian citizens to enroll in their schools at thew time.   Lolo Sotero allegeldy adopted obama in order to get him citizenship in indonesia.  So the issue might be that they changed the birtch certificate later.   

There is also an issue that there was a law requiring the parents to have been residents for 10 years or some shit before qualifiyng as a citizen.  FarRightLooney posted on this. 

I know everyone wants this to go away, but its not because there are serious issues not resolved and calling a lot into question.

16 SS numbers?  Come on, that is more than bizarre. 

It is gonna go away because only the most CT people can be on board with this.

You're still alleging a HUGE conspiracy with zero proof of it... Just doesn't fly man.

[Soul Crusher]

It is gonna go away because only the most CT people can be on board with this.

You're still alleging a HUGE conspiracy with zero proof of it... Just doesn't fly man.

I'm not alleging a CT.  Obama refuses to release his records, any and all of them. 

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Original, vault copy birth certificate: Not released (attorney's fees are estimated to be up to about $2 MILLION now, instead of HI birth certificate fee of under $20 bucks)

Certification of Live Birth: Released: Document Experts state it is a FORGERY
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/11/22/obamas_born_conspiracy_obamas_bogus_birth_certificate_exposed!.thtml

Obama/Dunham marriage license: Not released (if one exists)

Obama/Dunham divorce: Not released (discovered by independent investigators)

Kindergarten records: Not released; School claims records are"LOST" Records lost (this is a big one -- see here -- read two frames)

Soetoro/Dunham marriage license: Not released

Soetoro adoption records: Not released

Fransiskus Assisi School  School application: Not released (discovered by independent investigators) Click here for proof/details.

Punahou School records: Not released

Soetoro/Dunham divorce: Not released (discovered by independent investigators) http://orlytaitzesq.com/drorlytaitzesq/documentation/SOETORODIVORCE.pdf

Selective Service Registration: Not released (Obtained via Freedom of information act request; received FORGERY?)

Occidental College records: Not released

Passport: Not released, records scrubbed by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.

Possible to have U.S. Passport without providing birth certificate, click here for more details.

Columbia College records: Not released

Columbia thesis; "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament"; Not released
But an anti-war plan to disarm America article written by Obama was found;
http://orlytaitzesq.com/drorlytaitzesq/documentation/obamaantimilitary.pdf

Harvard College records: Not released

Harvard Law Review articles: None

Illinois Bar Records: Not released

Illinois Driver's License Record: Not released (discovered by independent investigators) Click here for details.

Baptism certificate: None

Medical records: Not released

Illinois State Senate records: None

Illinois State Senate schedule: UH..., "LOST"

Law practice client list -- Not released

University of Chicago scholarly articles: None


The Day After being sworn in, Barrack Hussein Obama made his First Executive Order #13489, the order is to hide his records! The biased 'mainstream' Media did not report on it of course, but you can see it here> http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf or look it up yourself. So much for that "transparency" he promised... now, Is this the act of a person who is hiding something? You decide.
 
 

[Soul Crusher]

Springs Man Claims To Have Obama's Draft Records
Col. Gregory Hollister Says He Has Obama's Draft Registration

POSTED: 11:28 am MDT March 30, 2011
UPDATED: 5:07 pm MDT March 30, 2011


COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- A Colorado Springs man who claims to have records that prove Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate was forged could face criminal charges because he is alleged to have illegally accessed an online Social Security database.

Retired Air Force Col. Gregory Hollister impersonated Obama with the Selective Service and managed to get a card with President Obama’s Selective Service information on it, a blogger posted on gratewire.com last week.

Hollister told the Colorado Springs Gazette that a private investigator gave him what is purported to be the president’s Social Security number and he then accessed the Social Security Number Verification Service to find out to whom it was issued and to access Selective Service documents.


The site allows registered users to verify names and Social Security numbers for employment purposes and warns that using it under false pretenses is a violation of federal law.

Hollister told the Gazette that according to the Social Security Administration, that number was never issued, but that's the same Social Security number that appears on Obama's Selective Service documents.

Hollister said the Social Security number on what he says is Obama’s draft registration begins with the numbers 042, which would be issued to someone born in Connecticut, not Hawaii.

Hollister and others birthers claim Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia and that his birth certificate showing he was born in Honolulu in 1961 is a forgery. The Constitution requires that the president of the United States be a natural born citizen.

Hollister has challenged in a lawsuit that Obama is not an American citizen. The U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear that suit on Jan. 18.

Hollister could face charges of identity theft and fraud.


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