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« Reply #725 on: April 10, 2011, 07:27:04 PM »

Yes I hate obama.  No doubt.  However there are tons of mysteries he is covering up for unknown reasons.

the greatest mystery is whats going on in your mind Cheesy
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« Reply #726 on: April 10, 2011, 09:04:52 PM »

This is pretty much a knock out blow.  Trump better drop this if he wants to remain relevant.  (BTW, they are not "Hawaiian" officials.  "Hawaiian" is an ethnic group.) 

Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims
Comments follow statements by Donald Trump questioning legitimacy of president's birth record
By Michael Isikoff
National investigative correspondent
NBC News
updated 4/10/2011

The Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama's original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is "real" and denounced "conspiracy theorists" in the so-called "birther" movement for continuing to spread bogus claims about the issue.

"It’s kind of ludicrous at this point," Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, said in a rare telephone interview with NBC.

Fukino, sounding both exasperated and amused, spoke to a reporter in the aftermath of Donald Trump's statements on the NBC Today show last week questioning whether Obama has a legitimate birth certificate.

Trump, who says he is considering a run for president, repeated his claims on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday, saying that "nobody has any information" about the president's birth and that "if he wasn't born in this country, he shouldn't be president of the United States."

No matter what state officials release on the issue, the "birthers" are going to question it, said Fukino. "They’re going to question the ink on which it was written or say it was fabricated," said Fukino. "The whole thing is silly."

Story: The Isikoff Files

As the top Hawaiian official in charge of state health records in 2008, when the issue of Obama's birth first arose, Fukino said she thought she had put the matter to rest. Contacted by NBC, Fukino expanded on previous public statements and made two key points when asked about Trump's recent comments.

The first is that the original so-called "long form" birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice. The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state's then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.

Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document's validity. She later put out another public statement in July 2009 — after reviewing the original birth record a second time.

"It is real, and no amount of saying it is not, is going to change that," Fukino said. Moreover, she added, her boss at the time, Lingle — who was backing John McCain for president — would presumably have to be in on any cover up since Fukino made her public comment at the governor's office's request. "Why would a Republican governor — who was stumping for the other guy — hold out on a big secret?" she asked.
Her second point — one she made repeatedly in the interview — is that the shorter, computer generated "certification of live birth" that was obtained by the Obama campaign in 2007 and has since been publicly released is the standard document that anybody requesting their birth certificate from the state of Hawaii would receive from the health department.

The document was distributed to the Obama campaign in 2007 after Obama, at the request of a campaign official, personally signed a Hawaii birth certificate request form downloaded on the Internet, according to a former campaign official who asked for anonymity. (Obama was "testy" when asked to sign the form but did so anyway to put the issue to rest, the former campaign official said. The White House has dismissed all questions about the president's birth as "fictional nonsense.")

The certification that the campaign received back —which shows that Obama was born in Honolulu at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961 — was based on the content of the original document in state files, Fukino said.
"What he got, everybody got," said Fukino. "He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate."

Hawaiian officials say that the certification is, in fact, only one piece of abundant evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii. Joshua Wisch, a spokesman for the Hawaii attorney general's office, noted that a public index of vital records, available for inspection in a bound volume at the Health Department's Office of Health Status Monitoring, lists a male child named "Obama II, Barack Hussein" as having been born in the state.

In addition, as Factcheck.org and other media organizations have repeatedly pointed out, both of Honolulu's newspapers, the Honolulu Advertiser on Aug. 13, 1961, and the Honolulu Star Bulletin, on Aug. 14, 1961, both ran birth announcements listing Obama's birth on Aug. 4 of that year.

Even Fukino accepts that her comments are not likely to end the matter for the die-hard birthers. Trump and other skeptics have questioned why the original birth certificate has not been released.
But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general's office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of "vital records," including an original "record of live birth" — even to the individual whose birth it records.

"It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated "certification of live birth" form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.

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« Reply #727 on: April 10, 2011, 09:58:42 PM »

Absolutely crushing!

Even Obama can't request a copy of his own "long form" birth certificate.

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« Reply #728 on: April 11, 2011, 02:43:45 AM »

This article contradicts itself at least twice. 
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« Reply #729 on: April 11, 2011, 03:48:06 AM »

The Curious Issue of Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate
The Lubbock Avalanche-Journal ^ | April 11, 2011 |





The news media is quickly moving to protect Barack Obama against Donald Trump’s pursuit of the truth about Barack Obama’s birth certificate and Obama’s place of birth.

Michael Isikoff of MSNBC has reported that Dr. Chiyome Fukino is now claiming that she has actually seen Barack Obama’s original birth certificate on file in Honolulu.

As the top Hawaiian official in charge of state health records in 2008, when the issue of Obama's birth first arose, Fukino said she thought she had put the matter to rest. Contacted by NBC, Fukino expanded on previous public statements and made two key points when asked about Trump's recent comments.

The first is that the original so-called "long form" birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo [Fukino] said she has personally inspected it — twice. The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state's then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.

This is all very curious. Back in January, Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie was unable to locate Obama’s birth certificate. The Daily Mail reported,

He [Governor Abercrombie] told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.

But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate.

And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

One has to wonder why Governor Abercrombie did not ask Dr. Chiyome Fukino to show him Obama’s birth certificate?

Let us assume that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and has a duly registered birth certificate. Why does Obama not want us to see his birth certificate? Why have more than $2 million been spent in legal fees to keep this birth certificate from public view?

What is on Obama’s birth certificate that Obama does not want seen?

Donald Trump appeared on “The View” on Thursday morning 24 March. Dave Eberhart of Newsmax.com reported the next day,

On "The View," a morning chat program, Trump declared that he believed Obama has a birth certificate, but that he should produce it to the world, ending the speculation that seems to never go away. Trump added that he felt it strange that "nobody from [Obama's] early years remembers him."

There’s "something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like," Trump opined to the cast members, including Whoopi Goldberg and Barbara Walters, who berated him, accusing him of possibly racist thoughts on the issue.

Rush Limbaugh and others are coming to the support of Donald Trump.

On Limbaugh’s show Thursday, the radio talker Limbaugh sided with Trump’s beating of the birth certificate drum. "You and I have known all along that we're dealing with a man-child here who has, literally, no qualifications, no experience, and according to Donald Trump now, no birth certificate," Limbaugh declared.

"Trump is performing a valuable service here. He is attempting to help Obama out of a jam. You can't say Trump is a kook right-wing birther. Trump realized the problem that Obama faces here with credibility. He's giving him a chance here to establish some credibility by producing the birth certificate,” Limbaugh added.

Charging that elements of the major media were "covering it up" and "papering it over," he concluded: “Trump's not the kind of guy to comb over difficulties. If he's going to bring this up . . . you know that it's serious."

Either Obama’s birth certificate does not exist or it has something typed or written on it that Obama does not want to be revealed. What could it be?

It is also perplexing that Obama has sealed his college transcript from Columbia and his law school transcript from Harvard Law School. What is Obama hiding in his transcripts?

Why do Obama’s classmates from Columbia not remember seeing Obama in classes? It seems he was an invisible man during his time at Columbia?

There are two hospitals in Honolulu where it has been claimed that Obama was born. Why do both hospitals claim they have no record of Obama’s birth? Why has the doctor who delivered Obama not come forth to take credit? Why have no nurses who were present at the delivery of Obama, or took care of him and his mother following his birth, come forward?

It seems that there is a lot of Liberal smoke and mirrors taking place? If a Barack Obama birth certificate exists, it would be a simple matter for Obama to show it for all to see?

Why is so much ridicule being expended to discredit those who want answers? Why are lawyers working hard to keep Obama’s secrets hidden? Whatever happened to that transparent Administration of President Obama that we were promised?

Donald Trump’s courage is looking better all the time. We are in for some very interesting debates and battles over the Obama birth certificate unless Barack Obama can somehow silence Donald Trump.

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« Reply #730 on: April 11, 2011, 03:55:16 AM »

Hawaii Official and Ex-Official Lie to Cover Their Tracks 100
  
DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN RAMPS UP IN RESPONSE TO DONALD TRUMP’S ASSERTIONS THAT OBAMA HAS NOT SHOWN A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE

by Miki Booth



Dr. Chiyome Fukino lied on national TV when she said that the "Certification of Live Birth" is all a person can obtain from the Health Department. And what gave her the right to "inspect" Obama's records if they are closed by state law?
(Apr. 10, 2011) — Donald Trump is really turning the heat up on Obama’s missing birth certificate and far-left zealots have found it necessary to drag ex-Hawai’i official, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, back to the podium to recite her tale of viewing the elusive document. This time, unlike her first obtuse and lawyered-up comments, Fukino has gotten bolder since Abercrombie slipped his Obama “born in Hawaii” sentence into the 50th anniversary commemorative bill.

But the latest attempt to put out the flames has backfired and exposed some naughty children huddled in a back room playing with matches. Michael Isikoff, MSNBC’s “so-called” national investigative correspondent, was caught with Joshua Wisch, former chairman of Howard Dean’s presidential campaign in Hawaii. Now spokesman for the Hawaii attorney general’s office, Wisch apparently colluded with Fukino to validate Obama’s alleged “Certification of Live Birth.”

“What he got, everybody got,” said Fukino. “He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate.”

Not true, Dr. Fukino. When my son, Alan, requested a copy of his birth certificate he got just that—a “Certificate of Live Birth,” not the same as Obama’s. Different titles and different information. Obama’s is sorely lacking information required for obtaining a passport—Mother’s State/Country of Birth and Father’s State/Country of Birth.

 


Short-Form Certificate of Live Birth obtained by Alan Booth, who was born in Hawaii. The document contains a raised seal, which Obama's Certification of Live Birth did not.

It appears specific people are lining up to take a bullet for Obama. Conspiracy to defraud the American people is a serious crime and MSNBC has become the epitome of yellow journalism, brashly covering-up for Obama and the entire anti-American agenda of the socialist left. This latest cover-up attempt is laughable and speaks volumes to the desperation of the Democrat Party.

Michael Isikoff writes, “But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.

“It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorized such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer-generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.”

Not true, Mr. Wisch. A friend of mine filled out the appropriate state form and received back a “certificate of live birth” as shown below:

 


Long-Form Certificate of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii received in March 2011 by the requester
Enough with the lies already. You will be held accountable.

As long as the debate over Obama’s birth records drag on, we will have that much more time to inform Americans that the birth certificate doesn’t even matter. We don’t care whether he has one or not; Obama is clearly illegally occupying the office of US President since he is not by any stretch of the imagination an Article II, Section I, clause 5 “natural born Citizen” born of two citizen parents on American soil. It becomes more evident every day that his allegiance is not to the United States of America.

Truth will out.

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Editor’s Note: The Post & Email will be calling Mr. Wisch tomorrow to confront him with his false statements about obtaining vital records in Hawaii.  We will also be contacting for the third time the Health Department, Governor Neil Abercrombie, and Lt. Gov. Brian Schatz, all of whom have spokespersons who have failed to return our calls or answer our letters regarding the many contradictions evident in Obama’s birth story and documentation, or lack thereof.  The Health Department registrar, Dr. Alvin Onaka, whose stamp appears on the long-form document above, is apparently squeamish about picking up the telephone and answering our questions.

How many people will be going to jail over this massive cover-up?  And what else, other than Obama’s “records,” are they hiding?  Perhaps 50 years of defrauding the federal government?

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« Reply #731 on: April 11, 2011, 03:57:50 AM »

NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE?   OBAMA'S FORGED COLB OMITS THE PLACE OF BIRTH OF THE PARENTS.
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« Reply #732 on: April 11, 2011, 03:58:19 AM »

Stupid thread. End of thread.
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« Reply #733 on: April 11, 2011, 04:07:46 AM »

Beach - can you merge ths wi the Bither thread? 
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« Reply #734 on: April 11, 2011, 04:17:29 AM »


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Incidentally, the 1950s picture here of Obama’s mother should remind us that his mother was no normal modest Midwestern girl of the times so his genetics are not the best either from his mother’s or his philandering father’s side. Snopes has done an unusually poor job (even for it) of saying the photo of Mrs Soetoro is in fact of someone else but have a look at the lady they think is in the photo. Most unconvincing. Genetics are a powerful determinant of behavior so, although scandalous, the suggestion about Obama’s sexuality below is not implausible

As an IRS tax examiner,one of many former federal jobs, I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.

Barry, AKA Obama, was lawfully adopted by a foreign national, Lolo Soetoro, and Barry’s name was legally changed to “Barry Soetoro”. (Barry’s own admission) Barry Soetoro was also made an official legal Indonesian citizen. (again Barry’s own admission) The adoption would be noted in Barry’s vital statistics record in Hawaii on his original birth certificate…

OR Lolo Soetoro may have always been Barry’s legal birth father. The public does not know for sure at this point who Barry’s father really was and Barry himself may not know.

Barry was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia and attended a Catholic funded school that permitted all faiths to attend.

Barry’s mother dropped him as a dependant for some reason, maybe even when Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. His mother’s passport records dropped Barry as a dependent indicating Barry was no longer a legal dependent of his mothers. (The passport records of his mother have been produced showing Barry was no longer a dependent when Barry was permanently residing in Indonesia.) Barry went to Hawaii to live with his alleged grand parents after Lolo Soetoro and Barry’s mother divorced.

A “certificate of live birth” can have names changed on it including a child’s birth name, and birth parent’s names. Even a modified date of birth can be on a “certificate of live birth”. This occurs frequently for adopted children where the birth parent does not want the child to know who they are. The public has no idea who Barry’s real birth father is or who Barry’s real birth mother is. (Barry could have been adopted by his mother) The original birth certificate is the only legal vital statistics record of a person’s birth parents, birth location, birth date, etc… I can get a “certificate of live birth” for a dead person; I cannot get a birth certificate of a dead person without “Deceased” on it. (I’ve tried)

There is no evidence Barry Soetoro ever lawfully changed his name to “Barrack Hussein Obama”. There is no proof Barry Soetoro was born with the name “Barrack Hussein Obama”. I’m willing to bet the name “Barrack Hussein Obama” is not present on the real birth certificate as Barry’s birth name or as Barry’s birth father. I have pictures of me with my mother and Jimmy Buffet… that doesn’t make him my father even if I start using the name Jimmy Buffet.

The public knows Barry Soetoro finished high school in Hawaii as Barry Soetoro and attended Occidental as Barry Soetoro where he did drugs and flunked out of school. After dropping out of Occidental, Barry showed up in New York, homeless and on drugs. (Barry’s own admission) Barry then hooked up with a Pakistani to live with and traveled back to Indonesia on his new boyfriend’s dime to renew his Indonesian passport and traveled to Pakistan with him.

Ask any law enforcement officer in a large city or detective and they will tell you homeless young men on drugs in large cities usually end up as male prostitutes. Barry ended up as a world traveler with a degree… (Not likely)

Barry Soetoro returned to New York from Pakistan and began using the fictitious name “Obama” for some reason. (again Barry Soetoro’s own admission) One could only suspect that a person addicted to drugs returning from Pakistan to New York, the main route for Afghan heroin into the U.S., maybe Barry had a reason to start using a new name. There are literally over 1 million open warrants on file in New York… maybe Barry is one of them?….

After spending some time in New York allegedly working under the name “Obama”, It appears Barry used the fictitious name “Barrack Hussein Obama” for the first time to file his federal taxes in Connecticut at a Post Office Box for the purpose of evading paying taxes in New York and /or to establish a new identity. (This is a felony with no statute of limitation.)

When the IRS received Barry Soetoro’s federal tax filing, the IRS could not attach the name Barrack Hussein Obama to the SSI number provided or the address provided. So the IRS assigned the fictitious name “Barrack Hussein Obama” a tax ID number for a person from Connecticut (Where Barry unlawfully filed a federal tax form using a false name). Barry Soetoro began using the tax ID number as his SSI number when using the fictitious name Barrack Obama. This is why Barry Soetoro has a Connecticut SSI number. When I worked for the IRS, I saw this occur more than once and yes, it is a felony to knowingly file a fraudulent federal tax form. Most of the politicians that cheat on their taxes claim it was an accident. That is how they get away with their tax cheat crimes. Using a fake name is no accident.

It appears Barry fled New York to Chicago using his new identity to get a job . He likely ordered a fake diploma to bolster his new identity as “Obama”. Fake Diploma’s were very big in the 80’s and diploma mills were even being used by federal workers to get promotions. There is evidence his alleged attendance at Columbia was faked (Barry never attended Columbia) and Barry lied his way into Harvard (he had no transcripts to get in)… Including telling the Saudi royal family he was fighting in Afghanistan with the Muslim Jihad against the Russians, so they would help him get into a law school.

The Saudi’s apparently loved Barry’s story of Jihad in Pakistan/Afghanistan and paid for Barry to attend Harvard under the name “Obama”. The Saudi family has admitted to paying for Obama to attend Harvard and gave Harvard a gift of $20 million dollars. Harvard in turn made their special attendy President of the law review a person that never wrote a single law review…. I guess that is what $20 million buys at Harvard.

It is unlikely Barry was a Jihadist and was most likely a drug mule if anything, maybe even a CIA street hire to haul Afghan heroin back to New York, so the Afghans could buy U.S. made stinger missiles with U.S. dollars to shoot down Russian helicopters?… I hired people over seas to do work below my pay grade all the time, even foreign nationals… I think this is the story Barry told the Saudi’s, but he was most likely really just a drug mule/dealer and probably still wanted on an outstanding warrant in New York.

Barry’s selective service registration is not normal either.

After I looked at Barry’s selective service filing I noticed it was most likely fraudulent too based on the name he used. Barry did not start using the name “Obama” until he returned from Pakistan (long after he flunked out of school in California) His selective service record (maintained in Chicago coincidentally) shows he registered at a Hawaiian post office as “Obama” in Sept 1980… Problem, Barry was getting high in California at Occidental in Sept 1980 (Barry’s own admission) and was not using the fictitious name “Obama” at that time. Barry began using the fictitious name “Obama” only after he returned from Pakistan. The selective service filing is fraudulent.

Barry returned to Chicago and attended a semi-christian radical black church with his first female love Michelle. Barry admits keeping in touch with Phil Boener, who traveled to New York from Occidental to be with Barry and was most likely Barry’s first love.

Barry still could not get a real job, because he was still a fraud, even with his Harvard degree in hand he could lie and take the Bar exam, but he could not work as a lawyer for a major law firm without a back ground investigation and he would never pass one. So, Michelle got Barry a job at her law firm. Barry never filed a case alone and never filed a motion. He wrote lots of memos according to the law firm where Barry worked. (I think they know Barry is a fraud and don’t want to be sued by previous clients) Barry rescinded his law licenses, so as not to be disbarred for fraud. The Bar knows Barry lied on his application. Michelle also had to turn over her law license for her involvement in corruption with the Chicago mayors office.



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 It seems you are just left with cutting and pasted big opt-Ed pieces. 
Have you even verified all the crap in those articles? 
Because as I showed before you didn't research all the other stuff in the SSN articles.


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« Reply #736 on: April 11, 2011, 06:05:55 AM »

Hawaii Official and Ex-Official Lie to Cover Their Tracks 100
  
DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN RAMPS UP IN RESPONSE TO DONALD TRUMP’S ASSERTIONS THAT OBAMA HAS NOT SHOWN A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE

by Miki Booth



Dr. Chiyome Fukino lied on national TV when she said that the "Certification of Live Birth" is all a person can obtain from the Health Department. And what gave her the right to "inspect" Obama's records if they are closed by state law?
(Apr. 10, 2011) — Donald Trump is really turning the heat up on Obama’s missing birth certificate and far-left zealots have found it necessary to drag ex-Hawai’i official, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, back to the podium to recite her tale of viewing the elusive document. This time, unlike her first obtuse and lawyered-up comments, Fukino has gotten bolder since Abercrombie slipped his Obama “born in Hawaii” sentence into the 50th anniversary commemorative bill.

But the latest attempt to put out the flames has backfired and exposed some naughty children huddled in a back room playing with matches. Michael Isikoff, MSNBC’s “so-called” national investigative correspondent, was caught with Joshua Wisch, former chairman of Howard Dean’s presidential campaign in Hawaii. Now spokesman for the Hawaii attorney general’s office, Wisch apparently colluded with Fukino to validate Obama’s alleged “Certification of Live Birth.”

“What he got, everybody got,” said Fukino. “He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate.”

Not true, Dr. Fukino. When my son, Alan, requested a copy of his birth certificate he got just that—a “Certificate of Live Birth,” not the same as Obama’s. Different titles and different information. Obama’s is sorely lacking information required for obtaining a passport—Mother’s State/Country of Birth and Father’s State/Country of Birth.

 


Short-Form Certificate of Live Birth obtained by Alan Booth, who was born in Hawaii. The document contains a raised seal, which Obama's Certification of Live Birth did not.

It appears specific people are lining up to take a bullet for Obama. Conspiracy to defraud the American people is a serious crime and MSNBC has become the epitome of yellow journalism, brashly covering-up for Obama and the entire anti-American agenda of the socialist left. This latest cover-up attempt is laughable and speaks volumes to the desperation of the Democrat Party.

Michael Isikoff writes, “But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.

“It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorized such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer-generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.”

Not true, Mr. Wisch. A friend of mine filled out the appropriate state form and received back a “certificate of live birth” as shown below:

 


Long-Form Certificate of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii received in March 2011 by the requester
Enough with the lies already. You will be held accountable.

As long as the debate over Obama’s birth records drag on, we will have that much more time to inform Americans that the birth certificate doesn’t even matter. We don’t care whether he has one or not; Obama is clearly illegally occupying the office of US President since he is not by any stretch of the imagination an Article II, Section I, clause 5 “natural born Citizen” born of two citizen parents on American soil. It becomes more evident every day that his allegiance is not to the United States of America.

Truth will out.

—————————-

Editor’s Note: The Post & Email will be calling Mr. Wisch tomorrow to confront him with his false statements about obtaining vital records in Hawaii.  We will also be contacting for the third time the Health Department, Governor Neil Abercrombie, and Lt. Gov. Brian Schatz, all of whom have spokespersons who have failed to return our calls or answer our letters regarding the many contradictions evident in Obama’s birth story and documentation, or lack thereof.  The Health Department registrar, Dr. Alvin Onaka, whose stamp appears on the long-form document above, is apparently squeamish about picking up the telephone and answering our questions.

How many people will be going to jail over this massive cover-up?  And what else, other than Obama’s “records,” are they hiding?  Perhaps 50 years of defrauding the federal government?

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« Reply #737 on: April 11, 2011, 06:16:41 AM »

Why should I take anything in that article as legitimate?

You are just cutting and pasting again. 

Should I just go on a cutting and pasting frenzy too?  I am sure I can find hundreds of articles debunking Birthers.

What's that going to solve?

You don't bother to check the bull crap in your articles so why would anyone take them seriously?
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« Reply #738 on: April 11, 2011, 06:18:26 AM »

Likely all those other things you just listed are probably reasonably explainable.  But I don't know I'd have to research them.  Just my assumption based on the 042 thing.
  I think maybe quite a lot of people who are in the movement haven't done Much real research.  I mean look at you for example:

You didn't know when Obama first applied for a SSN.
You didn't know where he applied from.
You didn't know that SSN numbers were NOT issued at birth
You didn't know that the "area number" on a SSN wasn't 100% indicative of which state he was born.

It's as if, you just got totally sucked in by the overly opinionated articles and over dramatic you tube vids and let your hate cloud your sensibilities.

I would have thought you'd at least have looked into those important facts before you launched your crusade.



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« Reply #739 on: April 11, 2011, 06:18:35 AM »

Why should I take anything in that article as legitimate?

You are just cutting and pasting again. 

Should I just go on a cutting and pasting frenzy too?  I am sure I can find hundreds of articles debunking Birthers.

What's that going to solve?

You don't bother to check the bull crap in your articles so why would anyone take them seriously?

The woman posted her owns kids' records.  Did you even look at that and compare it to the nonsense obama put out?   Of course not.  


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« Reply #740 on: April 11, 2011, 06:20:02 AM »

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Yawn - obama must be the first person Ihave ever heard of not having a SS until applying himself at 17 y/o on his own from a state he never had any reason to be in the first place and different from the state he was allegedly born in.   
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« Reply #741 on: April 11, 2011, 06:22:50 AM »

The woman posted her owns kids' records.  Did you even look at that and compare it to the nonsense obama put out?   Of course not.  



I just showed in detail how you yourself don't.

The one time I researched, I showed numerous things your were grossly incorrect about.  

So in my mind, everything you post on this is likely to be spun crap.
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« Reply #742 on: April 11, 2011, 06:25:07 AM »

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Yawn - obama must be the first person Ihave ever heard of not having a SS until applying himself at 17 y/o on his own from a state he never had any reason to be in the first place and different from the state he was allegedly born in.   

Wow, you have just completely diggressed into 911 nut jobbery.  When presented with complete easy facts and reasoning you revert back to beliefs and assumptions.

What the fuck happened to you?
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« Reply #743 on: April 11, 2011, 06:27:27 AM »

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Yawn - obama must be the first person Ihave ever heard of not having a SS until applying himself at 17 y/o on his own from a state he never had any reason to be in the first place and different from the state he was allegedly born in.   

And we been over this already in detail and you were left looking real ignorant on the matter.
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« Reply #744 on: April 11, 2011, 06:28:47 AM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc5JE0JAqlk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc5JE0JAqlk</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2-2E65uFHM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2-2E65uFHM</a>

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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-RDBMwcUgg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-RDBMwcUgg</a>

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« Reply #745 on: April 11, 2011, 06:36:48 AM »

Here we go a spamming of YouTube vids  


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« Reply #746 on: April 11, 2011, 06:37:00 AM »

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« Reply #747 on: April 11, 2011, 06:38:04 AM »

Here we go a spamming of YouTube vids 


Never expected that response  Grin Roll Eyes

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I'm not spamming anything - they go point by point in the COLB nonsense - notice the difference?   YES or NO?   



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« Reply #748 on: April 11, 2011, 06:40:55 AM »

The one on the bottom is too blurry I cant fully read it.
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« Reply #749 on: April 11, 2011, 06:48:36 AM »

The one on the bottom is too blurry I cant fully read it.

Look on the right hand side from the middle on down - notice what is listed on that vs. what IS NOT listed on Bama's.   

also - look at the top - is there a difference between "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH"   & "CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH"

Yes!   What obama presented is pure nonsense since a valid BC always has the inf on the place of birth of the parents.   The second mage I gave you was from a lady wh got one for her son in March 2011.         
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