Birthers Correct False Claims Against Trump
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by WTPOTUS, ©2011How many lies have been told and policies changed to cover for Obama's lack of eligibility?
(Apr. 13, 2011) — This is in response to an article from FactCheck Blog, “Donald, You’re Fired!”, posted on April 9, 2011. Excerpts from their article are included for ease of rebuttal–an educational effort.
If FactCheck staffers worked for us, we’d have to say: “FactCheck, You’re fired–for incompetence, blatant obfuscation, and use of Alinsky tactics!” When it comes to getting facts straight, FactCheck fails miserably, again, and again, and again.
Point by Point Rebuttal
FactCheck said:
Trump claims the president’s grandmother says Obama was born in Kenya. In fact, the recording to which he refers shows Sarah Obama repeatedly saying through a translator: “He was born in America.”
TRUTH: She said this only after a “long pause” during which a conversation in a Kenyan tongue took place in the background, between several men and Sarah Obama, right after she very clearly stated that she was present in Kenya at his birth. Did these men intimidate her into changing her story? You be the judge. Many benefits subsequently flowed to the Obama family, such as a paved road, electricity, and piped-in water after they supported Obama in his endeavors. Early on, Kenyans did not realize the importance of a US birth for any presidential candidate.
FactCheck produced a supposed transcript of the conversation between Mr. McRae and Sarah Obama. But there’s no translation of the conversation in a Kenyan dialect that can be heard in the background, between what sounds like several men and Sarah Obama.
FactCheck transcribed another part of the conversation thusly:
Translator: Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii.
McRae: OK.
Translator: Yeah, in 1960 this was Hawaii, where his father, his father was also marrying there. This was Hawaii.
Obama claims that he was born in 1961. But Sarah said 1960.
FactCheck said:
Trump claims that no hospital in Hawaii has a record of Obama’s birth. Hospital records are confidential under federal law, but Honolulu’s Kapi’olani Medical Center has published a letter from Obama calling it “the place of my birth,” thus publicly confirming it as his birthplace.
TRUTH: The hospital promptly removed that letter from its website, where it had been used for fundraising, after its provenance was questioned and after persons who know stated that if the letter is fraudulent, the hospital would be in violation of the law. The letter is now hidden from view.
Senator Slom of Hawaii has repeatedly asked to see it but has not been allowed to see it. He is told, but does not know for certain, that the letter is on display in a private office for safekeeping.
The White House will NOT confirm that the letter was written by, signed by, or sent by the POTUS. Numerous articles preceding the revelation of this letter, which named Kapiolani as his birth place, said that he was born at Queen’s Medical–another hospital altogether.
FactCheck said:
Trump insists that the official “Certification of Live Birth” that Obama produced in 2008 is “not a birth certificate.” That’s wrong. The U.S. Department of State uses “birth certificate” as a generic term to include the official Hawaii document, which satisfies legal requirements for proving citizenship and obtaining a passport.
TRUTH: The “Certification of Live Birth” (COLB) that was posted as a digital image on partisan blogs (Daily Kos and FactCheck) and in a campaign ad (Fight the Smears) is NOT an “official Certification of Live Birth” nor is it a “birth certificate.” Obama did not produce it; it was released by his campaign, not by Obama. It’s a digital image.
When originally released, that digital image was modified, because the identification number on it was redacted. It says at the bottom of the image, “Any alterations invalidate this certificate.” It was altered; therefore, it is invalid.
It matters not what the State Dept. calls such documents, when they’re in three-dimensional form. The state of Hawaii did not, in 2007, consider a “certification of live birth” to be the same as a “birth certificate” or a “certificate of birth.”
It also matters not whether the State Dept. would accept a COLB (in 3-D form) to satisfy “legal requirements for proving citizenship and obtaining a passport.” Natural born citizenship differs from simple citizenship, which is sufficient to receive a passport.
No doubt, Arnold Schwarzenegger has a US passport. No doubt, today he is a US citizen. However, he is not and never can be eligible for the presidency, short of a Constitutional amendment.
Schwarzenegger is a citizen; he is NOT a “natural born” citizen, which is the standard for POTUS eligibility. As such, he has the same status as Obama: Ineligible, not a NATURAL BORN citizen.
The president has NEVER released any officially certified document that proves that he was born in Hawaii, to the parents he claims, at the time and on the date he claims, at Kapiolani or at Queen’s Medical. He has never produced a “birth certificate”, a “certification of live birth”, a “certificate of live birth”, a “certificate of birth”, or even a “hospital birth certificate”.
FactCheck said:
Trump claims that there’s no signature or certification number on the document released by Obama. Wrong again. Photos of the document, which we posted in 2008, clearly show those details.
TRUTH: The “document” released by the Obama campaign is a digital image that has no certification number and no signature. Who would accept as a “document” a digital image released to partisan blogs and posted on a DNC-affiliated Obama campaign website? Trump refers to the image released by Obama’s campaign, not to photos on a partisan blog, which have no PROVENance. Has Obama or his campaign ever referenced those photographs on FactCheck blog or given them the nod as being authentic? If so, kindly, someone, supply a link.
In fact, no photograph that FactCheck produced of the document, which they claim is the source for the digital image posted on blogs and Obama’s campaign website, shows a certifying signature. They do not show a photograph of the entire back side of the document. Therefore, nobody can say with certainty what that cropped image of a signature block represents.
There is a certification number on photos of the front of the alleged document, which FactCheck blog posted weeks after they posted the original digital image, and only after others (mostly bloggers) questioned the missing certification number.
When bloggers questioned other details, FactCheck blog reduced the size and resolution of the photos and removed all embedded identifying properties. [See their story and note the difference between the claimed resolution and the actual resolution.] Is this how a nonpartisan factchecking organization should behave? Shouldn’t they be more than happy to answer questions? Shouldn’t they welcome examination of their claims? What about transparency? Why have no other members of the media been allowed to see and examine the document that FactCheck blog claims to have photographed?
Why hasn’t Obama presented this “certified document” to judges in any of the court cases addressing his ineligibility? Why have his lawyers fought discovery, if that COLB is a truthful representation of what’s on file in Hawaii?
FactCheck said:
Trump says newspaper announcements of Obama’s birth that appeared in Hawaii newspapers in 1961 ‘probably’ were placed there fraudulently by his now-deceased American grandparents. Actually, a state health department official and a former managing editor of one of the newspapers said the information came straight from the state health department.
TRUTH: Nobody knows with CERTAINTY that those announcements actually ran in newspapers in Hawaii in 1961. But even if they did, FactCheck blog, please NAME the “state health department official” and the “former managing editor” [Shapiro? See below.] who said that these announcements came only from the Hawaiian Department of Health (HDOH) and tell us upon what they base their knowledge about how things worked in 1961.
Nobody has ever seen these newspaper announcements in reality. That is, nobody has seen any newspaper. They have seen (again) digital images that are SAID to have come from microfilms at the State Library and at the Honolulu Advertiser.
A factchecker would investigate and then NAME the librarian who copied the images from microfilm at the State Library and sent them to a NAMED individual who sent them to the BLOGS where they first appeared.
A factchecker would locate and publish the underlying evidence that supports the provenance of the images, such as the letter or email making the request, the letter or email accompanying the images, and the receipt of payment for the copies.
A factchecker would investigate and then NAME the person at the Honolulu Advertiser who copied the images from microfilm at the newspaper and sent them to a NAMED person, who released them to BLOGS where they first appeared.
Why haven’t these birth announcement images been presented to any of the judges in any of the ineligibility lawsuits, if they are real? In fact, as blogger jbjd pointed out, the closest these images came to being entered into any court filing by Obama’s lawyers was in a footnote, which has no evidentiary value.
Nobody has stated with certainty that the only way a birth could be listed in those announcements in 1961 was if the HDOH sent the name to the newspaper.
Finally–there’s no PROOF whatsoever that the “son” announced in those newspapers (even if the images are authentic) is the person who is now president.
There’s no PROOF who the mother was. Barack Hussein Obama (BHO Sr.) had three if not four or more wives. Any of them could have been the “Mrs.” referred to in the announcements. BHO Sr. had many sons. Any of them could have been the son referred to in those announcements. BHO Sr. never lived at the address listed in the announcements. No place of birth is identified in those announcements.
So even if legitimate (which is in doubt until someone shows a contemporaneous, 3-D newspaper) the announcements do NOT prove that the POTUS was born in Hawaii.
But if BHO Sr. is his father, Obama is NOT a natural born citizen; so it doesn’t matter where he was born.
FactCheck said:
Trump claims “nobody knew” Obama when he was growing up and “nobody ever comes forward” who knew him as a child. “If I ever decide to run, you may go back and interview people from my kindergarten,” Trump said. Well, two retired kindergarten teachers in a 2009 news story fondly recall teaching a young Barack Obama.
TRUTH: While the usual set of “friends” and “teachers” put themselves forward, repeatedly, to claim that they knew him as a child, numerous discrepancies in their various reports raise suspicions. For example, he attended third grade in two countries, on opposite sides of the world.
Strangely enough, the Dept. of Education in Hawaii cannot locate Obama’s kindergarten records. A picture was produced supposedly showing Obama in kindergarten. The story (click link, above) says the caption identifying a certain child as Obama was written on the back of the photo. However, the back of the photo with the caption is conveniently not shown.
The two retired teachers were actually student teachers who said that they did not teach Obama at the same time. One says she assisted his kindergarten teacher during the first part of that school year, while the other says she assisted his kindergarten teacher during the second part of the school year. Of course, the records are missing.
One student teacher described him as “heavy build”, which certainly does not sound like the POTUS. (Look at the photo: He looks thin, not “heavy build”, and his head looks pasted on. A tropical climate, but he alone wears long sleeves.) These women did not know each other at the time but met later, became good friends, compared notes (according to the 2009 story), and were Obama supporters. His actual kindergarten teacher, if the story is true, was Alice Sakai, who died in 2006, and so conveniently cannot be interviewed.
These two student teachers, Obama supporters and good friends, had the same photograph that was already published in the 2008 story. They claimed that Alice Sakai sent the photo to one of them; but of course, she cannot confirm that as true, being sadly deceased.
FactCheck said:
The evidence that Obama was born in the U.S.A. is so overwhelming that we haven’t had much to say lately about the sort of bogus claims that Trump repeats. Hawaii’s top official in charge of vital records stated long ago, for example, that the confidential records underlying Obama’s official birth certificate show that he was born in Hawaii and is “a natural born American citizen.”
TRUTH: There is NO EVIDENCE that Obama was born in the U.S.A. None. If there were, he would have presented it to the courts. If EVIDENCE existed, a MORAL INDIVIDUAL would present it instead of hiding it.
A MORAL INDIVIDUAL would not have allowed a patriot like LTC. LAKIN to be sent to PRISON.
Obama is not a “natural born American citizen.” He may be a US citizen now; but he never was a “natural born” citizen of the USA, unless he’s not telling the truth about the identity of his father.
The father that Obama claims, BHO Sr., was never a US citizen, never an aspiring immigrant, never a permanent resident. Thus, Obama was (as his website indicated) born a British subject, later a Kenyan citizen, and later still an Indonesian citizen (as AP evidence shows). Obama’s site also referred to him as a “native” (not natural born) citizen of the USA.
If he was born outside the USA, he was not even a US citizen at birth. He may now be a naturalized citizen; but if so, he is ineligible for the presidency. No documentation has been found to verify that he ever changed his status: his foreign citizenships may remain active.
FactCheck said:
But when a leading prospect for the Republican presidential nomination embraces and repeats these spurious claims and groundless conspiracy theories on national television, we are forced to wade into this swamp once again. For details of where Trump goes wrong, and full documentation of the facts, please read on to our Analysis section.
TRUTH: No truly nonpartisan, factchecking organization would use terms such as “spurious”, “groundless conspiracy theories” or “swamp” when describing one side of an argument to be analyzed with an open mind and resolved via the presentation of facts. By using such terms, they prove their partisan BIAS.
FactCheck said:
Trump echoed claims that are often repeated by those who wish to believe Obama is not a natural-born American citizen.
TRUTH: We don’t “wish to believe” that Obama is not a natural born citizen; we know that he’s not, unless he’s lying about his father’s identity. Blood AND Soil. The two requirements: Birth on US soil to two US citizen parents. No allegiance to any other country or sovereign, ever, as documented in a detailed analysis by Leo Donofrio, Esq.