It's good to be large and very muscular and powerful and mean-looking......

[dov]

what?

ok, first of all groink would not lose a 1-1 ratio dieting down because he is not natural. he is australian i believe which in this case is smart to deny anabolics use and i cannot blame him for doing so as they do not fuck around in that country when it comes to such things. imo test, dbol and a little deca. no GH.

secondly, that being said, if he's 260ish at 18% (which i think is an accurate assessment) if he dieted down to a true 6% which is very lean, he'd still weigh close to 230 at 6%.

how the fuck you put him 'at a LBM of well below 200 pounds' is way beyond me. lol.

I'm basing everything off the assumption that he is natural. I'm not sure whether he is or not. Does'nt matter...No natty is gonna have LBM well over 200lbs at 6% BF at 5'11" besides a gorilla or chimpanzee...Period.

[dov]

I dont disagree, the whole fuggin NFL could be juiced up but how do you really know? and when I say the substance list is long, its gawddamn LONG, and it is consitently growing. I think theyre tighter on it than some people assume, a few get caught every year. Id check the linebackers every damn week if I was the commish, those dudes are freakishly big and quick as me on Jamie Eason

ALL pro sports are riddled with gear and the best athletes in each sport are 100%, guaranteed, slam-dunk using heavy gear..period.

[Palpatine Q]

NO!!!!! In his current state of 262lbs, for 200 of that to be LBM would be VERY good and I'm sure he does carry that for now. He def has a ton of muscle(especially for a natty)...However, let's say he dieted down for a contest. Once he reaches, let's say 12%, he'll lose about a pound of muscle for every pound of fat from that point on all the way to 5-6%....that would put his LBM well below 200 lbs. Only juiced guys can maintain(or even continue to build) muscle at very low BF%'s...I really don't understand the confusion 

OK....here come the fucking geniuses with their protactors and calculators that are gonna tell me exactly what I weigh, what my BF is, how much muscle I carry..etc etc...according to some "rule" that doesn't even exist in the real world.

DOV....I think you can be an OK guy but please don't put limitations on my physique because yours sucks.

 I had a personal trainer that I know at my gym do a BF test on me 3 weeks ago because I was starting a diet and he said it was 18.2 %. he also did the measurements that i posted 37 inch waist, 53 inch chest.....I stepped on the scale and it said 262. What do you want me to do..apologize?

Oh and lets see CURRENT pics of all the ripped up physiques of everyone calling me "bloated" and a "permabulker"....you guys must be in phenomenal shape.

Maybe you should go first Dov...you have the biggest mouth.

I love when i post a pic...The first day everyone gives you compliments and the haters lay low...they wait until all of the cool people leave and then they come out

[needmoresize]

ALL pro sports are riddled with gear and the best athletes in each sport are 100%, guaranteed, slam-dunk using heavy gear..period.

The authority on this matter has spoken, debate over. ALL pro athletes take the magic potion that makes them huge, strong, and fast as horses but never get caught because the league officials are idiots and they cant figure it out. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they are the top .01% in talent and athleticism of their respective sport

[Palpatine Q]

The authority on this matter has spoken, debate over. ALL pro athletes take the magic potion that makes them huge, strong, and fast as horses but never get caught because the league officials are idiots and they cant figure it out. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they are the top .01% in talent and athleticism of their respective sport

Dov is one of those tools who thinks just because he can't do it.....no one can.

and he's waaay way down the ladder as far as genetics go...this combination makes for some amusing posts

[kiwiol]

OK....here come the fucking geniuses with their protactors and calculators that are gonna tell me exactly what I weigh, what my BF is, how much muscle I carry..etc etc...according to some "rule" that doesn't even exist in the real world.

DOV....I think you can be an OK guy but please don't put limitations on my physique because yours sucks.

 I had a personal trainer that I know at my gym do a BF test on me 3 weeks ago because I was starting a diet and he said it was 18.2 %. he also did the measurements that i posted 37 inch waist, 53 inch chest.....I stepped on the scale and it said 262. What do you want me to do..apologize?

Oh and lets see CURRENT pics of all the ripped up physiques of everyone calling me "bloated" and a "permabulker"....you guys must be in phenomenal shape.

Maybe you should go first Dov...you have the biggest mouth.

I love when i post a pic...The first day everyone gives you compliments and the haters lay low...they wait until all of the cool people leave and then they come out

Anyone who calls you fat in that pic is a retard who is jealous - plain and simple.

[PRIVATE RYAN]

Afrikaner genetics at work

Bulls and Springbok enforcer Pierre Spies has hit-out at ongoing rumours of performance-enhancing drug usage.

Spies will be a key figure for the Bulls when they host the Crusaders in Sunday morning's Rebel Sport Super 14 semifinal at Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria.

When on form, the powerful No 8 is a virtual one-man wrecking machine.

Spies, 23, has battled back from a blood disorder which threatened his playing career and forced him out of the 2007 Rugby World Cup.

The towering No 8 is 1.94m tall and weighs 108kg.

He can clean 135kg, dead lift weights of up to 240kg and bench presses 165kg.

His athletic ability is also immense, being able to sprint for 835m before slowing on repeated sprint-ability test.

South African coaches have previously spoken of how he has immense physical abilities they have not come across before.

However, his physical and aerobic prowess have lead to rumours that he has benefited from artificial assistance, something the veteran of 19 tests has spoken of in a feature in the latest issue of SA Rugby magazine.

"What can I do about those rumours? Nothing," he said.

"I can't shape what people think.

"But those people who make those sorts of allegations aren't there with me in the gym when everyone else has gone home. They don't see what I eat, the lengths I go to to look after my body.

"They're not there when my mates are going partying and I turn down the invite because I know it will affect the way I train. They're not there.

"They don't see what sacrifices I make."

[clued-up]

imo test, dbol and a little deca.

that is ALL you will ever need... magic.

[MORTALCOIL]

The authority on this matter has spoken, debate over. ALL pro athletes take the magic potion that makes them huge, strong, and fast as horses but never get caught because the league officials are idiots and they cant figure it out. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they are the top .01% in talent and athleticism of their respective sport

Ture but considering that the amount and diversity of products you can find, that talent is no longer enough as even the genetically impaired who's willing to juice will have the edge on the best natural on the planet considering how those ergogenics have evolved. Even at amateur level, you see guys with pretty decent genetics juicing (nothing massive but still) so what wouldyou expect knowing that they still don't test GH (in most sports at least as far as i know), that steroids have evolved to a point where some of them are not even near to be tested (remember the balco scandal which was almost ten years ago). I'm natural but i don't give a fuck what you inject or not, it's a personal choice. Just let's not be naive. That doesn't mean you can't admire some athletes for their performances, they'd still be still be the cream of the crop if everyone was natural.

[Wingnut32]

Abs are coming in nicely, down to 253 this morning, week 2 of the diet

I'm exactly 18% BF at 262 lbs.

 

[Devon97]

They surely are genetically gifted. But banned substances mean shit nowadays. Not only do they have ways of passing those tests but they use substances that are not even on those lists. Most pro athletes (at least 80% of them) in any sport are now using drugs. Hell, they already were thirty years ago and nobody thought they were. You're being a bit naive I think.

HAHA! Ok the reason they are int he league is because of Hgh or test or Dbol.

You're a fool.

The only drugs those guys are using are recreational.

[Palpatine Q]

 

that pic is 3 weeks old, those were my stats the day i took it...when i started my diet

[dov]

Gronk u call me a douche and I call u a weekend daddy....both are insults..why is one worse than the other? Anyway, I'm curious if ur dieting for any particular reason, any specific goal? Gonna do a contest? Gonna post progress pics with updates on weight, BF%, etc.....I'd be very curious to see where you'd end up on the scale at a very low BF%...prove me wrong that ur a 1/million genetic freak...215-220 @ 5-6%

[Valane]

HAHA! Ok the reason they are int he league is because of Hgh or test or Dbol.

You're a fool.

The only drugs those guys are using are recreational.

Read his other post. You are the fool. The top talent is the top talent, but these guys need to run a ton of stuff just to survive the season.
Only recently the players union dissmised calls for blood testing to combat HGH usage. The drug use in all pro sports is systemic, that is not putting down the achievements of the athletes, it is merely stating fact.

[Fatpanda]

I'm exactly 18% BF at 262 lbs. 37 inch waist and a 53 inch chest. Yeah....I'm obese    

hahahahaha yes and you're a natural too. hahahahahaha

i love getbig, so many lies so little time.

[Palpatine Q]

Gronk u call me a douche and I call u a weekend daddy....both are insults..why is one worse than the other? Anyway, I'm curious if ur dieting for any particular reason, any specific goal? Gonna do a contest? Gonna post progress pics with updates on weight, BF%, etc.....I'd be very curious to see where you'd end up on the scale at a very low BF%...prove me wrong that ur a 1/million genetic freak...215-220 @ 5-6%

Well for starters only one is true... I see my kid every day of my life,...and I don't appreciate people commenting on my family in any capacity.

[newmom]

Well for starters only one is true... I see my kid every day of my life,...and I don't appreciate people commenting on my family in any capacity.

I agree, so what if he see's his kid on the weekend..He sees his kid. If the parents dont work out, so be it. All that matters is he is in his kid (s) life. But Groink is stating he see's his kid everyday. Weekend daddy is not insult, what if one of the parents live 3 or 4 hours away.

[dov]

Well for starters only one is true... I see my kid every day of my life,...and I don't appreciate people commenting on my family in any capacity.

Perhaps you should keep your family matters off of the internet, huh? There's a reason that you know NOTHING about me
Aside from all teh nonsense, how far do u plan on taking your diet? Particular BF%? Weight? Mirror?

[Fatpanda]

Well for starters only one is true... I see my kid every day of my life,...and I don't appreciate people commenting on my family in any capacity.

why would you admit this on here.

lesser men will jump all over this as they now know how to 'push your buttons'. 

[dov]

I agree, so what if he see's his kid on the weekend..He sees his kid. If the parents dont work out, so be it. All that matters is he is in his kid (s) life. But Groink is stating he see's his kid everyday. Weekend daddy is not insult, what if one of the parents live 3 or 4 hours away.

Oh brother! Cue all of the guilt-ridden single parents of GB

[newmom]

no dov just saying, I just don't find anything wrong with it is all

[dov]

no dov just saying, I just don't find anything wrong with it is all

Well, he called me a douche...LOL

[newmom]

Groink play nice

[Fatpanda]

Well, he called me a douche...LOL

how is your buddy ram doing dov?

[dov]

Groink play nice

Any chance of that desired 5 o'clock thong shot, NewMom?