Me 3 weeksout 77kg

[Meso_z]

Regardless of your insulting me with calling that i am a lier indirectly,
If I win or do good in those upcoming contests, i will prove myself of being drug free going to a doping rab.

Just I recommend you to quit self justification by accusing me as a drug user. Its very sad.

Nowadays, cheating a drug test is a walk in the park.

[Meso_z]

I agree. Layne would/could get Kyomu ripped to shreds. However, he might need to lose more weight than he wants to. Kyomu does not have any water retention in his quads. If the cuts don't show it's fat.

I think its genetic. My legs are ripped and veiny but my abs are blurry.

[kyomu]

Nowadays, cheating a drug test is a walk in the park.

Oh yeah, then why dont you work for IOC? MR EXPERT?
I love bbing. But I dont die for it. Hope this help.

[Van_Bilderass]

You dont know shit and dont like that.
I am prepared to be 50kg if necessary.

I don't think you're completely honest here. You've talked about not wanting to lose "fullness." I don't think you're prepared to be 50kg, I doubt you're prepared to go to 65kg even. 

I think its genetic. My legs are ripped and veiny but my abs are blurry.

To a certain extent. Some bodyparts may be ready earlier. But what's the solution? You just have to continue the diet, lose even more weight/fat.

[DK II]

he has already, dont worry. 

yes, 77kg of pure steroid mass. Impossible to achieve naturally... 

[Van_Bilderass]

Nowadays, cheating a drug test is a walk in the park.

Oh yeah, then why dont you work for IOC? MR EXPERT?
I love bbing. But I dont die for it. Hope this help.

I think you're both wrong. Kyomu thinks IOC test proves something. It doesn't. Meso thinks cheating is easy. It isn't. Hard to do steroids close to a test and pass. Very hard. But GH cannot be detected via urine and only for a few hours in blood. Kyomu might have dipped into Paco's GH stash... who's to say. Kyomu has said he would do G4P posing if the price is right and compared to that doing drugs is nothing.

[kyomu]

I don't think you're completely honest here. You've talked about not wanting to lose "fullness." I don't think you're prepared to be 50kg, I doubt you're prepared to go to 65kg even.  


To a certain extent. Some bodyparts may be ready earlier. But what's the solution? You just have to continue the diet, lose even more weight/fat.

Your ego is just fragile as fvck and always you have to self justify yourself.
No matter how you say YOU ARE SMALLER AND SOFTER THAN ME FOREVER.

And I havent never seen your pic even once.

[MORTALCOIL]

If I recall correctly, Kyomu admitted doing a cycle years ago. So even if some might argue he's not natural, he's clean. I don"t see how that type of physique is unattainable naturally. I'm a 5,7 natural and have reached 180 pounds at a reasonable BF while only training for a bit more than a year. My guess is Kyomu is taller than me (which is not difficult) and has been training for years. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt easily. Some on this site claiming they're natural while they're obviously not don't get as much heat and even get their asses kissed on a regular basis by the same guys who flame on Kyomu.

[kyomu]

If I recall correctly, Kyomu admitted doing a cycle years ago. So even if some might argue he's not natural, he's clean. I don"t see how that type of physique is unattainable naturally. I'm a 5,7 natural and have reached 180 pounds at a reasonable BF while only training for a bit more than a year. My guess is Kyomu is taller than me (which is not difficult) and has been training for years. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt easily. Some on this site claiming they're natural while they're obviously not don't get as much heat and even get their asses kissed on a regular basis by the same guys who flame on Kyomu.

Yes 1993 one and last.
My height is 171cm. Maybe same as you.

Just many of these guys are razy fvckers who hasnt train hard in their life and for the self justification, they want me to be a regular drug user.

[affeman]

yes, 77kg of pure steroid mass. Impossible to achieve naturally... 

post a pic champ

[kyomu]

post a pic champ

you too.

[affeman]

you too.

I've never said your physique was achieveable without drugs.

[MORTALCOIL]

I've never said your physique was achieveable without drugs.

I hope you meant to say: "I've never said your physique was unachievable without drugs".

[Van_Bilderass]

Your ego is just fragile as fvck and always you have to self justify yourself.
No matter how you say YOU ARE SMALLER AND SOFTER THAN ME FOREVER.

And I havent never seen your pic even once.

Why do you take everything as a flame? See my first post in this thread. I just agreed with Stavios that Layne knows what he's talking about. Good grasp of physiology and has shown he can apply his knowledge on naturals and semi-naturals.

You have a good physique and good work ethic and discipline. But you are very touchy. Lower the tribulus dosage. 

[DK II]

post a pic champ

Oh boy, not this shit again.

Look, i have met kyomu in real life, he's natural.

[affeman]

Oh boy, not this shit again.

Look, i have met kyomu in real life, he's natural.

Does he look impressive in real life?

[Stavios]

Your ego is just fragile as fvck and always you have to self justify yourself.
No matter how you say YOU ARE SMALLER AND SOFTER THAN ME FOREVER.

And I havent never seen your pic even once.

Why do you take everything as an insult ?

We are just giving you our opinion, naturals DO NOT hold water.
steroids can give you some bloat, but as natural you do not have that problem.

seriously, Paco doesn't know what to do with naturals.
When he diets, he can up the t3 anytime, up the clen, up the DNP, in a way that he won't even touch his diet from start to the day of the contest (or almost).

You can't do that so you need someone that understand your body instead of someone who will tell you that you "are holding water"

[no one]

Why do you take everything as an insult ?

We are just giving you our opinion, naturals DO NOT hold water.
steroids can give you some bloat, but as natural you do not have that problem.

seriously, Paco doesn't know what to do with naturals.
When he diets, he can up the t3 anytime, up the clen, up the DNP, in a way that he won't even touch his diet from start to the day of the contest (or almost).

You can't do that so you need someone that understand your body instead of someone who will tell you that you "are holding water"

and losing muscle.

and getting stringier.

and won't get any leaner, but instead just burn lean tissue.

you can stomp your feet and call everyone ' you smaller skinny fat forever'  but stav is right.

[kyomu]

Why do you take everything as an insult ?

We are just giving you our opinion, naturals DO NOT hold water.
steroids can give you some bloat, but as natural you do not have that problem.

seriously, Paco doesn't know what to do with naturals.
When he diets, he can up the t3 anytime, up the clen, up the DNP, in a way that he won't even touch his diet from start to the day of the contest (or almost).

You can't do that so you need someone that understand your body instead of someone who will tell you that you "are holding water"

65kg? GIMME A BREAK.
I am 76kg morning after going to bath room and my abs is covered with veins.
And 11kg more? Where is this opinion come from? PURE JEOLOUSY.

Seriously, You dont have any light to say that Paco dont have any idea since You are a juicer. Paco dont put my diet to another people. In addition, I DONT HAVE ANY TRAINER. Paco is just a friend who give me aseveral advices. And My diet comes from the experience. Paco want to cut the water and i dont agree that much,. Anyway, we will see what happen before the contest.
I may cut my water long time or maybe not.

[kyomu]

and losing muscle.

and getting stringier.

and won't get any leaner, but instead just burn lean tissue.

you can stomp your feet and call everyone ' you smaller skinny fat forever'  but stav is right.

Yet I am 10000000times leaner and bigger than you. Hope this help
If not, post your pic YOU LOSER

[wavelength]

yes, 77kg of pure steroid mass. Impossible to achieve naturally... 

77kg at kyomus height in shredded condition is close to impossible to achieve naturally IMO.
I'm interested at what weight / condition he will end up with come contest time.

[kyomu]

77kg at kyomus height in shredded condition is close to impossible to achieve naturally IMO.
I'm interested at what weight / condition he will end up with come contest time.

I am now 76.5kg and drasticaly better(According to the people and Paco in our gym).
But I try to be on stage with 74kg.
From now, going down 1kg is becoming very severe...

[Meso_z]

Yet I am 10000000times leaner and bigger than you. Hope this help
If not, post your pic YOU LOSER

I think youre becoming quite an arrogant little prick. Calm down, were here to help.

[Stavios]

65kg? GIMME A BREAK.
I am 76kg morning after going to bath room and my abs is covered with veins.
And 11kg more? Where is this opinion come from? PURE JEOLOUSY.

Seriously, You dont have any light to say that Paco dont have any idea since You are a juicer. Paco dont put my diet to another people. In addition, I DONT HAVE ANY TRAINER. Paco is just a friend who give me aseveral advices. And My diet comes from the experience. Paco want to cut the water and i dont agree that much,. Anyway, we will see what happen before the contest.
I may cut my water long time or maybe not.

Once again, your arguments make no sense but I still don't see why you are so mad at us.

Nobody is jealous, we are just trying to help.

no need to be arrogant. And for your information, Van is a good sized/super strong guy. He knows his shits.

[DK II]

77kg at kyomus height in shredded condition is close to impossible to achieve naturally IMO.
I'm interested at what weight / condition he will end up with come contest time.

Maybe if you only eat Schnitzel and Kebap.

kyomu has 20 years of weightlifting on his back, he did a cycle 15 or so years ago, he eats like a madman (i have seen  him eat tons of chicken and lettuce 3 or 4 days out, can't remember anymore) and he trains his ass off.

What he does is doable naturally, or "clean" if you want to smartass. I believe kyomu if he says he's natural.