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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2010, 10:13:05 AM »
I dont want a rockstar, I want a competent grounded sane person who know how to cut budgets. 

yeah that'll work 333.  Come on you must know by now the presidency is not about who is the best but who portrays being the best.  Heck you can pick with certainty who is going to win the election by handing people a photo of each and asking who looks like a better president.   They've done that for a few elections now and it's come out with over 50% picking the right candidate.  Based on a picture. 
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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #51 on: March 10, 2010, 12:00:55 PM »
yeah that'll work 333.  Come on you must know by now the presidency is not about who is the best but who portrays being the best.  Heck you can pick with certainty who is going to win the election by handing people a photo of each and asking who looks like a better president.   They've done that for a few elections now and it's come out with over 50% picking the right candidate.  Based on a picture. 

You mean a 5'8 muscled shaved headed italian from Nu Yawk probably dont have a chance at the presidency?  Say it aint so KC!   

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #52 on: March 10, 2010, 01:15:37 PM »
"Still more than Obama.  "

333386,

honestly, now that we are both done kneepadding..

Do you believe that with 18 months of governor and a BS in journalism, palin was more prepared for the job as president, than obama?

Recall he had met foreign leaders and been privy to top level intel as a senator for 6 years, knew the law after 7 years in state senate, and had a law degree from one of the top

Tossing out their policy, views etc... If you were hiring a person to run the largest corporation on earth, would you hire a 18-month small-population governor over a harvard JD with 6 years on Foreign intelligence committee?  Would you?

If the roles were reversed, would you have considered Senator Palin (law degree, 13 years in senates) to be LESS QUALIFIED than Governor obama, just a year into his 600,000 population state job?


How is Obama's foreign relations working out for you.

He has pissed of almost every single ally and sides with Despots and Socialists whenever he gets the chance.

You realize that if Argentina goes after the Falklands, the UK will be out of Afghanistan.
Also the Brits have been very loyal to US including going into Iraq and provide the bulk of non US soldiers in Afghanistan and then they get smeared by Clinton.

Next he will hand over Taiwan as an act of good faith, just like he did with missile defense.

By the way 240 it has been over a year how did that stimulus package workout.
Seems like both unemployment and Jobless rates are at all time highs.

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #53 on: March 10, 2010, 01:17:25 PM »
How is Obama's foreign relations working out for you.

He has pissed of almost every single ally and sides with Despots and Socialists whenever he gets the chance.

You realize that if Argentina goes after the Falklands, the UK will be out of Afghanistan.
Also the Brits have been very loyal to US including going into Iraq and provide the bulk of non US soldiers in Afghanistan and then they get smeared by Clinton.

Next he will hand over Taiwan as an act of good faith, just like he did with missile defense.

By the way 240 it has been over a year how did that stimulus package workout.
Seems like both unemployment and Jobless rates are at all time highs.



240 has a few more months, by our agreement, where he has to admit he was wrong. 

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2010, 01:17:56 PM »
yeah that'll work 333.  Come on you must know by now the presidency is not about who is the best but who portrays being the best.  Heck you can pick with certainty who is going to win the election by handing people a photo of each and asking who looks like a better president.   They've done that for a few elections now and it's come out with over 50% picking the right candidate.  Based on a picture. 

This is true.  It is in large part a beauty contest.  

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2010, 01:19:33 PM »
33, you did not answer this:


Tossing out their policy, views etc... If you were hiring a person to run the largest corporation on earth, would you hire a 18-month small-population governor over a harvard JD with 6 years on Foreign intelligence committee?  Would you?

If the roles were reversed, would you have considered Senator Palin (law degree, 13 years in senates) to be LESS QUALIFIED than Governor obama, just a year into his 600,000 population state job?

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2010, 01:24:35 PM »
33, you did not answer this:


Tossing out their policy, views etc... If you were hiring a person to run the largest corporation on earth, would you hire a 18-month small-population governor over a harvard JD with 6 years on Foreign intelligence committee?  Would you?

If the roles were reversed, would you have considered Senator Palin (law degree, 13 years in senates) to be LESS QUALIFIED than Governor obama, just a year into his 600,000 population state job?

He didnt have 6 years foreing policy experience. 

240 - remember this gem?  You never mentioned this at all? 


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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #57 on: March 10, 2010, 01:46:42 PM »
Hold on a fucking second, Obama didn't become a US senator until Jan 4 2005, where exactly do you  get 6 years of foreign policy experience? Sure as hell wasn't in the Illinois State Senate.

Strange how the Legend of Barack Obama grows, pretty soon he will have beat back the barbarian hordes from the gates of Rome.
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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #58 on: March 10, 2010, 01:48:16 PM »
Hold on a fucking second, Obama didn't become a US senator until Jan 4 2005, where exactly do you  get 6 years of foreign policy experience? Sure as hell wasn't in the Illinois State Senate.

And as far as being a Harvard graduate, whooopeedy Dooooo.

Kazan - did you watch my clip?

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #59 on: March 10, 2010, 01:53:57 PM »
Kazan - did you watch my clip?

Yeah I watched it, but it nothing new, same Um Ah stuttering BS. The rest of the country I can forgive for voting for him, but the people of IL there is no excuse.
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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #60 on: March 10, 2010, 01:56:29 PM »
Yeah I watched it, but it nothing new, same Um Ah stuttering BS. The rest of the country I can forgive for voting for him, but the people of IL there is no excuse.

240 - what did Obama do in one year that made him go from unqualified t qualified? 

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #61 on: March 10, 2010, 01:59:19 PM »
"240 - what did Obama do in one year that made him go from unqualified t qualified?  "

honestly?  nothing of course. 

I see this is the first time you have realized all politicians are lying, disingenuous d-bags.  it's cool.  It's painful to learn your heroes aren't everything you believed.  Wait til you learn how dangerously unqualified and dim that one candidate was in 08.

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #62 on: March 10, 2010, 02:01:04 PM »
"240 - what did Obama do in one year that made him go from unqualified t qualified?  "

honestly?  nothing of course. 

I see this is the first time you have realized all politicians are lying, disingenuous d-bags.  it's cool.  It's painful to learn your heroes aren't everything you believed.  Wait til you learn how dangerously unqualified and dim that one candidate was in 08.

Obama was never my hero unlike you.  ;D

The original GSP is one of my heroes.   

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #63 on: March 10, 2010, 02:11:08 PM »
GSP?    GodSend Palin?

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #64 on: March 10, 2010, 02:12:46 PM »
GSP?    GodSend Palin?

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #65 on: April 20, 2010, 10:19:15 AM »
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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #66 on: April 20, 2010, 10:26:00 AM »
I am appalled at the utter stupidity.

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #67 on: April 20, 2010, 10:26:32 AM »
I am appalled at the utter stupidity.

Don't blame me, you voted for this!

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #68 on: April 20, 2010, 10:27:02 AM »
I am appalled at the utter stupidity.

The stupidity,as it is always the case,comes from the left wing media for reporting it.

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #69 on: August 26, 2010, 10:05:19 AM »
I freaking told you guys. 

Obama is doing everything he can to end this nation.  If my EPA article today does not spell it out for you morons, I don't know what will.   

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #70 on: September 22, 2010, 12:10:18 PM »
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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #71 on: July 04, 2011, 06:17:48 PM »
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As a lifelong commercial fisherman from Rhode Island who is involved with the regulatory process, I have one simple question to ask: Just what are we trying to accomplish with fish quotas?

Federally, the science that drives the stock assessments and sets the quotas is so bad that industry has taken it upon itself to provide a better snapshot of many stocks of concern. Predictably, the picture is not nearly as dire as our federal scientists would lead us to believe.

Recently, a side-by-side comparison was done, using the new multi-gazillion-dollar research vessel paid for with your tax dollars and a simple run-of-the-mill stern trawler captained by a knowledgeable skipper from Virginia.

Not only did the much smaller commercial boat out-catch the government vessel by about 1,000 percent, but the government boat also totally missed many species that the smaller boat caught. This was while fishing side by side!

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A major consumer advocacy group has released a new study of fishery job losses caused by the regulatory program being pushed by the Obama administration ...

Food & Water Watch last week released its global research report showing a common pattern of job loss to consolidation and profiteering through catch share management regimens, and leaders called on Congress to prevent further expansions of the regulatory scheme, which came with controversy to Gloucester and the New England groundfishery last year.

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/local/x177907825/Consumer-group-joins-call-top-halt-catch-shares




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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #72 on: July 05, 2011, 08:44:01 AM »
‘Beginning of the end for small fishermen’
Captains issue S.O.S., claiming new rules meant to save the fish are killing their way of life
By Jessica Fargen  |   Sunday, July 3, 2011  |  http://www.bostonherald.com  |  Local Coverage


Photo by Patrick Whittemore

With the height of the New England fishing season getting under way this week, small family fishermen say controversial new rules are destroying their livelihood — forcing them to sell their boats and instead search for work as laborers on larger vessels.

“It’s a death knell. It’s the beginning of the end for small fishermen,” said Rhode Island fisherman Joel Hovanesian, 54, who recently sold his boat.

Plymouth fisherman Stephen Welch, 50, a father of two, said: “We’re in a crisis right now.”

The new rules — put into place one year ago — place hard catch limits that restrict how much groundfish, such as cod and haddock, a fisherman can catch. Fishermen are given allotments of fish and can buy and sell those.

Under the old system, fishermen were allowed a certain number of days at sea.

Figures from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show larger operations appear to have benefited. Annual revenue for boats larger than 75 feet increased approximately 33 percent in 2010 — up to $800,000, from $600,000 in 2009.

New Bedford Mayor Scott Lang, who, along with the city of Gloucester, sued NOAA over the new rules and recently lost, said he plans to ask the Commerce Department’s Inspector General to investigate.

“New Bedford and Gloucester are letting everyone know we will challenge anything that threatens the culture, history and traditions of our seacoast communities,” he said. “The average fisherman, the family fishermen, are being driven out.”

The fight over fishing rules has stretched all the way to the White House and crossed party lines.

Congressional members of both parties, including Republican U.S. Sen. Scott Brown and Democrat U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, are skeptical about the environmental ties of President Obama’s pick for Department of Commerce secretary, who oversees the nation’s fisheries. Environmental groups have backed the new rules.

“The industry is hurting deeply,” Brown told the Herald this week. “It’s putting people out of business,” he said of the new rules.

NOAA, which regulates fishermen, says the changes are necessary to protect the region’s fish stock. They say it’s too early to tell the impact of the new rules on small-boat fishermen and seacoast communities, but they are studying the issue.

NOAA spokeswoman. Maggie Mooney-Seus said overfishing would have killed the industry had the new rules not been in place.

“We are going to prevent the stocks from deteriorating,” Mooney-Seus said. “Every measure put in place over the last several years is helping to rebuild the stock. If you talk to fishermen they are saying, ‘I’m seeing more fish out there than I’ve ever seen before.’ ”

But locals say they’re struggling to survive.

“It’s very hard,” said Jim Keding, 42, as he stood on a dock in Plymouth Harbor on Friday.

Keding, a dad of two, recently sold his boat, the Zachary Nicholas, because his allotment of 15,000 pounds of groundfish wasn’t enough. In 2009, he brought in 73,000 pounds. “It’s putting us out of business,” said Keding.

Lifelong fisherman Rich Burgess, 57, is selling two of his four boats.

“They just can’t afford to go fishing,” said Burgess, as he cleaned up his boat, the Heidi & Heather, docked in Gloucester Harbor last week. Under the new rules last year, he caught 50 percent less groundfish — cutting his income in half.

Larry Ciulla, owner of the Gloucester Seafood Display Auction, where crews unload the day’s catch, has seen a downturn in the last year.

“There are a lot of boats that just don’t go fishing and that’s sad,” he said. “Each small boat is a business.”

Supporters of the new rules say they have brought stability and reduced wasteful discards of fish.

“What this all amounts to is more flexibility and predictability for fishermen, and the necessary ingredients for recovering groundfish stocks,” Johanna Thomas, director of Pacific and New England regions at the Environmental Defense Fund oceans program, said in an e-mail.

However, according to Tina Jackson, president of the American Alliance for Fishermen and their Communities: “This has been so devastating to communities up and down the East Coast. . . . It’s a bad program. It doesn’t work. It doesn’t save fish stock.”

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #73 on: October 18, 2011, 09:11:21 AM »
Even this Demo Mayor realizes Obamas' intent is to collapse the economy. 




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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #74 on: April 18, 2012, 11:17:18 AM »
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President Barack Obama has an ambitious plan for Washington bureaucrats to take command of the oceans—and with it control over much of the nation’s energy, fisheries, even recreation in a move described by lawmakers as the ultimate power grab to zone the seas.



The massive undertaking also includes control over key inland waterways and rivers that reach hundreds of miles upstream, and began with little fanfare when Obama signed an executive order in 2010 to protect the aquatic environment.

“This one to me could be the sleeping power grab that Americans will wake up to one day and wonder what the heck hit them,” said Rep. Bill Flores (R –Texas).

“This is pure administrative fiat,” said Sen. David Vitter (R –La.). “It’s very troubling.”

“This is purely a unilateral administrative action with no real congressional input or oversight,” Vitter said. “I think it clearly threatens to have a big impact on a lot of industry, starting with energy, oil and gas, and fishing.”

But in his zeal to curb sea sprawl, lawmakers say the president’s executive order also gives Washington officialdom unprecedented reach to control land use as well.

“The order says they shall develop a scheme for oversight of oceans and all the sources thereof,” Flores said. “So you could have a snowflake land on Pikes Peak and ultimately it’s going to wind up in the water, so as a result they could regulate on every square inch of U.S. soil.”

Impacts on industry, consumers

The effects of Obama’s far-reaching policy would be felt by numerous industries including wind farms and other renewable energy undertakings, ports, shipping vessels, and other marine commerce, and upstream it would also affect mining, timber, even farming.

It will impact consumers directly through rules addressing recreational uses such as fishing and boating, and restricting the multiple use development of the ocean’s resources would also increase the cost of fuel and food, lawmakers say.

The idea to create a policy to oversee multiple uses of the ocean originated during the Bush administration, but after push back from within the ranks, including Vitter, the idea was dropped.

Critics of this revised plan say it is more narrowly focused, and that the Obama administration is taking their marching orders from environmental groups who want to move away from a multiple-use ocean policy to a no-use policy.

“If you look at the catalyst for the entire initiative, it comes from the playbook of environmental groups that think the ocean ought to be controlled by the federal government,” Flores said.

Added Vitter: “This (Obama) administration is more aggressive and left-leaning, and they are going whole hog. I think it’s clearly a threat, and in terms of negatively impacting jobs, it’s a very, very big threat.”

Blocking new oil, gas production

The ocean policy has already impacted oil and gas development in the Mid and South Atlantic, where more environmental analysis is now required to determine whether new studies must also be conducted to determine its safety, according to Interior Department Secretary Ken Salazar.

Jack Belcher, managing director of the Ocean Policy Coalition that represents numerous industries affected by Obama’s initiative including oil companies, says Salazar’s action is one example of how the administration is already blocking new production “on a policy that hasn’t even been developed yet.”

Still in its draft form, the plan released in January contains vague goals that call for more than 150 milestones to be accomplished by next year that will determine how the ecosystem is managed.

“Right now, we can only speculate on the impacts,” Belcher said. “But all of a sudden, there’s a new authority creating a new plan that may not allow oil and gas leasing or development in (some) areas.”

“But what we are worried about, and already seeing, is it’s being used as a tool to say we’re not going to do something, or delay it,” Belcher said. “It creates another layer of bureaucracy and another opportunity for litigation. We see this as an opportunity to tie things up in complete uncertainty.”

Belcher said his members are not opposed to having a process in place to manage all of the industries that depend on the ocean, but that they are already operating under numerous and sometimes onerous regulations that guide energy development, the shipping of goods, wind farm construction, and commercial fishing.

“It isn’t just chaos on the high seas, but this ocean policy takes the assumption that it is,” Belcher said. “We’re fearful that (Obama’s policy) will result in a more draconian system.”

The regulatory uncertainty created by the draft plan for industries and its employees that depend on the ocean has prompted numerous Republican senators to ask for congressional oversight hearings.

“In these tough economic times, it would be unfortunate if Congress chose to ignore responsibility for limiting bureaucratic hurdles to prosperity,” the lawmakers said in a March 20 letter. The letter was signed by Sens. Vitter, Marco Rubio of Florida, Mike Lee of Utah, John Barrasso of Wyoming, Jim DeMint of South Carolina, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Roger Wicker of Mississippi, Mike Crapo of Idaho and John Cornyn of Texas.

The ocean policy has been a sleeper issue with very little media coverage, but now that it is starting to affect industries such as gas and oil production, lawmakers say congressional hearings are needed to take a broader look at its impact and consider public input from all of the stakeholders, not just environmentalists.

“This has largely been completely under the radar,” Vitter said. “And that is exactly the way the administration and their environmental allies want to do it—announce the administrative fiat is complete and that we have this new way of life that nobody knew was coming.”

House Republicans are fighting back by tightening the purse strings they control and hope that by cutting off funding to implement the policy, and putting a stop to officials they believe are siphoning money away from other programs, they can block it from going forward.

Rep. Hal Rogers (R -Ky.), who heads the powerful House Appropriations Committee, has been asked to put a stop to the administration’s “cloaked funding” by Rep. Doc Hastings (R–Wash.), chairman of the House Resources Committee.

“The Obama administration continues to move forward with zoning the oceans through implementation of the president’s National Ocean Policy without requesting funding specifically for this broad initiative and without answering basic questions about how funds are currently being diverted from other missions to fund this initiative,” Hastings said in an April 2 letter to Rogers.

Although critics of the plan say it will create an unprecedented aquatic zoning commission, the administration has repeatedly denied it.

Administration’s defense

Nancy Sutley, chair of the White House Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) and co-chair of the newly created National Ocean Council in charge of the new policy, said the plan “has been mischaracterized as ‘ocean zoning.’”

“The National Ocean Policy does not create any new regulations,” added Jane Lubchenco, undersecretary of Commerce for oceans and atmosphere. “It is a planning process, it’s not zoning.”

Calls to CEQ, which oversees the policy, were not returned.

However, critics point to an Interior Department memo that says the plan “has emerged as a new paradigm and planning strategy for coordinating all marine and coastal activities and facility constructions within the context of a national zoning plan.”

Additionally, former Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Thad Allen, a member of the Ocean Policy Task Force, told OnEarth Magazine in May, 2010, the plan is “basically taking the notion of urban planning and putting it into the water column, as well as the estuary systems that connect it to everything that impacts ocean ecosystems.”

Rep. Don Young (R–Alaska) explained the new bureaucracy to his constituents during an April 3 Alaska field hearing as “a complicated bureaucratic scheme which includes a 27-member national ocean council; an 18-member governance coordinating committee; 10 national policies; nine regional planning bodies—each involving as many as 27 federal agencies as well as states and tribes; nine national priority objectives; nine strategic action plans; seven national goals for coastal marine spatial planning; and 12 guiding principles for coastal marine spatial planning.”

“Are you confused yet?” Young asked the crowd.

“The administration claims that this whole National Ocean Policy is nothing more than an attempt to coordinate federal agencies and make better permitting decisions,” Young said. “Forgive me if I am a little suspicious when the federal government—through an executive order—decides to create a new bureaucracy that will ‘help’ us plan where activities can or cannot take place in our waters and inland.”

Competing values

Environmental groups that support the president’s efforts include the Pew Charitable Trusts, which says that the fragile health of the oceans is being threatened by the increasing industrialization of the seas.

“If poorly planned or managed, drilling for oil and natural gas in federal waters, developing aquaculture and building wind, wave and tidal energy facilities all have the potential to damage America’s marine environment,” Pew said in a statement supporting the president’s policy.

But some believe bureaucratic interference on such a large scale is the real threat.

“The last thing we need is the federal government running the damn ocean and a bunch of bureaucrats running around trying to determine whether you can fish in one spot or another,” said Dan Kish, senior vice president for policy at the Institute for Energy Research.


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