Author Topic: If Ron Paul Wins Another Straw Poll Republicans May Stop Using Them! (Read 10957 times)

Dos Equis · « **Reply #1 on:** April 11, 2010, 10:05:56 PM »

That's one man's opinion. I sort of understand the sentiment. Ron Paul supporters did the same thing in Hawaii. Very aggressive and vocal minority. It's really paper thin support across the country.

Bindare_Dundat · « **Reply #2 on:** April 11, 2010, 10:15:37 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on April 11, 2010, 10:05:56 PM

That's one man's opinion. I sort of understand the sentiment. Ron Paul supporters did the same thing in Hawaii. Very aggressive and vocal minority. It's really paper thin support across the country.

With whom do you think the Tea party movement originally started with? Sarah Palin?

Dos Equis · « **Reply #3 on:** April 11, 2010, 10:22:15 PM »

Quote from: Bindare_Dundat on April 11, 2010, 10:15:37 PM

With whom do you think the Tea party movement originally started with? Sarah Palin?

I have no idea. Was it Ron Paul? Still won't matter. He didn't raise enough money to be a contender in 08. He got all of 1 percent of the delegates in the primary. Anyone taking a realistic look at him knows he's never going to even be a serious contender, much less get elected president.

The fact these straw polls, etc. showing he wins or is a serious contender are proven to be worthless when you look at the election results.

Bindare_Dundat · « **Reply #4 on:** April 11, 2010, 10:27:53 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on April 11, 2010, 10:22:15 PM

I have no idea. Was it Ron Paul? Still won't matter. He didn't raise enough money to be a contender in 08. He got all of 1 percent of the delegates in the primary. Anyone taking a realistic look at him knows he's never going to even be a serious contender, much less get elected president.

The fact these straw polls, etc. showing he wins or is a serious contender are proven to be worthless when you look at the election results.

Romeny doesn't think they're useless otherwise why spend money on tickets for people if it was?

Dos Equis · « **Reply #5 on:** April 11, 2010, 10:32:01 PM »

Quote from: Bindare_Dundat on April 11, 2010, 10:27:53 PM

Romeny doesn't think their useless otherwise why spend money on tickets for people if it was?

Don't know. You'll have to ask him. Nevertheless, Romney didn't even show up and he still won. As the clips in another thread mentioned, past winners of straw polls include Phil Graham and Bill Frist. RP isn't even in their territory as far as electability goes, and neither of those two were ever going to be get elected.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #6 on:** April 12, 2010, 12:05:05 AM »

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#R

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #7 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:05:19 AM »

brainwashed neocon alert

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #8 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:13:17 AM »

Ron Paul is one of a tiny few I could really support in 2012.

BM OUT · « **Reply #9 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:19:45 AM »

Ron Paul is smart,I voted for him in the primary,but he cant be president.He is too old,doesnt look good on television,doesnt have the backing of the party,is not great in a debate.Why the republicans arent forcing a guy like Paul Ryan to enter is foolish.He is only a congressman but is young,looks great,and is about 10million times smarter then any other candidate and DESTROYS Obama everytime they go head to head.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #10 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:20:56 AM »

Quote from: BILLY MIMNAUGH on April 12, 2010, 06:19:45 AM

Ron Paul is smart,I voted for him in the primary,but he cant be president.He is too old,doesnt look good on television,doesnt have the backing of the party,is not great in a debate.Why the republicans arent forcing a guy like Paul Ryan to enter is foolish.He is only a congressman but is young,looks great,and is about 10million times smarter then any other candidate and DESTROYS Obama everytime they go head to head.

I would get behind Ryan too. He is a realist and not some pie in the sky bs artist like obama.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #11 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:30:07 AM »

Quote from: BILLY MIMNAUGH on April 12, 2010, 06:19:45 AM

Ron Paul is smart,I voted for him in the primary,but he cant be president.He is too old,doesnt look good on television,doesnt have the backing of the party,is not great in a debate.Why the republicans arent forcing a guy like Paul Ryan to enter is foolish.He is only a congressman but is young,looks great,and is about 10million times smarter then any other candidate and DESTROYS Obama everytime they go head to head.

are you kidding, I can find 2 dozen presidents from the past that look more haggared than Ron Paul. The reason Ron Paul can get away with it at an other age is that he's never deviated from his message. Listen to the Ron Paul tapes from the 80's and it's the same as now. These are extreme constitutional basics. He would be fine for 4 years governing on what he has spent most of his life preaching. He's not like 98% of these other clowns that are not sure what's coming and going, changing their message to fit as the times change. Ron Paul has remained constant. Even if he lost his mind, he would still remember the basics which is all he's put forth for so many years.

IF Ron Paul runs, I will this time register republican to vote for him in the primary and for president.

Oh and show me a debate Ron Paul has came out looking like shit in? You say he isn't good in a debate. I've watched him debate with so many I can't count them and I have never felt he lost. He always comes out owning the opposition. That's part of his fan base, all these videos of him owning some fool trying to get the better of him.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #12 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:32:56 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on April 12, 2010, 06:30:07 AM

are you kidding, I can find 2 dozen presidents from the past that look more haggared than Ron Paul. The reason Ron Paul can get away with it at an other age is that he's never deviated from his message. Listen to the Ron Paul tapes from the 80's and it's the same as now. These are extreme constitutional basics. He would be fine for 4 years governing on what he has spent most of his life preaching. He's not like 98% of these other clowns that are not sure what's coming and going, changing their message to fit as the times change. Ron Paul has remained constant. Even if he lost his mind, he would still remember the basics which is all he's put forth for so many years.

IF Ron Paul runs, I will this time register republican to vote for him in the primary and for president.

Oh and show me a debate Ron Paul has came out looking like shit in? You say he isn't good in a debate. I've watched him debate with so many I can't count them and I have never felt he lost. He always comes out owning the opposition. That's part of his fan base, all these videos of him owning some fool trying to get the better of him.

At this point, I really dont think it will make a difference if it were mitt romney or obama.

It also depends on the congress and how that is made up.

BM OUT · « **Reply #13 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:36:38 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on April 12, 2010, 06:30:07 AM

are you kidding, I can find 2 dozen presidents from the past that look more haggared than Ron Paul. The reason Ron Paul can get away with it at an other age is that he's never deviated from his message. Listen to the Ron Paul tapes from the 80's and it's the same as now. These are extreme constitutional basics. He would be fine for 4 years governing on what he has spent most of his life preaching. He's not like 98% of these other clowns that are not sure what's coming and going, changing their message to fit as the times change. Ron Paul has remained constant. Even if he lost his mind, he would still remember the basics which is all he's put forth for so many years.

IF Ron Paul runs, I will this time register republican to vote for him in the primary and for president.

Oh and show me a debate Ron Paul has came out looking like shit in? You say he isn't good in a debate. I've watched him debate with so many I can't count them and I have never felt he lost. He always comes out owning the opposition. That's part of his fan base, all these videos of him owning some fool trying to get the better of him.

You act as though I dont support him.I voted for him in the primary and sent him money.HE CANT WIN!!!!!!Please name me the president in the last 30 years that looks worse then him on tv.He cant win.I will again vote for him in the primary if he runs I will again send him money but I know he wont win.Its EXACTLY the same when I voted and gave money to Pat Buchannon.I knew he couldnt win either.Republicans need to start pushing guys like Paul Ryan now.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #14 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:41:27 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 12, 2010, 06:32:56 AM

At this point, I really dont think it will make a difference if it were mitt romney or obama.

It also depends on the congress and how that is made up.

Why did you reply to my post this this comment? I don't understand how it applies to what I said? I didn't say anything about Mitt or Obama.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #15 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:42:03 AM »

Quote from: BILLY MIMNAUGH on April 12, 2010, 06:36:38 AM

You act as though I dont support him.I voted for him in the primary and sent him money.HE CANT WIN!!!!!!Please name me the president in the last 30 years that looks worse then him on tv.He cant win.I will again vote for him in the primary if he runs I will again send him money but I know he wont win.Its EXACTLY the same when I voted and gave money to Pat Buchannon.I knew he couldnt win either.Republicans need to start pushing guys like Paul Ryan now.

I voted for Pat Buchanna in the primary too when he ran. I like Pat B alot.

loco · « **Reply #16 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:47:18 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on April 12, 2010, 06:41:27 AM

Why did you reply to my post this this comment? I don't understand how it applies to what I said? I didn't say anything about Mitt or Obama.

Hugo, haven't you figured out by now that 333386 doesn't know how to use the Quote and Reply links? He clicks Quote when he should just click Reply, and he clicks Reply when he should click Quote. He does it to everybody.

loco · « **Reply #17 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:51:10 AM »

Quote from: BILLY MIMNAUGH on April 12, 2010, 06:19:45 AM

Ron Paul is smart,I voted for him in the primary,but he cant be president.He is too old,doesnt look good on television,doesnt have the backing of the party,is not great in a debate.Why the republicans arent forcing a guy like Paul Ryan to enter is foolish.He is only a congressman but is young,looks great,and is about 10million times smarter then any other candidate and DESTROYS Obama everytime they go head to head.

Ron Paul is great in debates. He made McCain look like an idiot on economics, and he made Juliani look like an idiot in foreign policy. He defended himself well against attacks, and he made it look like he was the only true Republican standing there, among all the other Republican candidates.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #18 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:51:14 AM »

You know I didnt even realize that until now?

No kidding, it wasnt intentional, I just realized that.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #19 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:53:27 AM »

Quote from: BILLY MIMNAUGH on April 12, 2010, 06:36:38 AM

You act as though I dont support him.I voted for him in the primary and sent him money.HE CANT WIN!!!!!!Please name me the president in the last 30 years that looks worse then him on tv.He cant win.I will again vote for him in the primary if he runs I will again send him money but I know he wont win.Its EXACTLY the same when I voted and gave money to Pat Buchannon.I knew he couldnt win either.Republicans need to start pushing guys like Paul Ryan now.

No, I can't accept this "can't win" message anymore. You're not supporting him. I will switch parties to vote for him and I will send him money and if he wins the primary I will vote for him. That's supporting him. That's what I failed to do last time. I will not make the same mistake again.

Again, please show me a debate Ron Paul lost? Please show me a debate where Ron Paul looked bad? And keep in mind that the media attacks on Ron Paul are huge, they have many times tried to set him up to make him look bad but he still answers the questions in a calm manner that makes them look like fools.

I know age matters, but we all know age is not an absolute. Some people lose it with age, some go to their graves at 98 sharp as a whip. The reason age mattered with McCain is because he was absolutely showing it in every manner. I do not see that with Ron Paul. He can snap off the same asnwer to a question that he gave in the 80's. And that's consisitency. He has that above all other candidates. With Ron Paul, you fucking know what you're going to get. It's a message he's maintained his whole life. No other candidate out there has that going for them.

So in the next election, you can find yourself between shitty candidate A and shitty candidateB or you can actually have a choice to finally pick a person who has maintained a singular message for his entire career in politics, RON FUCKING PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!

At this point what you're really saying is that you're submitting to what the media tells you needs to happen.

Get on board.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #20 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:55:49 AM »

Quote from: loco on April 12, 2010, 06:47:18 AM

Hugo, haven't you figured out by now that 333386 doesn't know how to use the Quote and Reply links? He clicks Quote when he should just click Reply, and he clicks Reply when he should click Quote. He does it to everybody.

lol... yup... I've spent the last 8 months trying to break him of the habbit but it's a no go

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #21 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:59:01 AM »

Hugo - there is a Ron Paul clip I posted a few months ago with a debate with him and Kanjorski on CNBC that was like 12 minutes long. After seeing that clip, that is when I became a fan. I always like him, but that debate showed me how much he really knows. You cvan post it again or I can find it and bump it.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #22 on:** April 12, 2010, 07:00:20 AM »

And another thing, notice how people here who are usually opposed on stuff end up uniting behind Ron Paul. That's an important factor to consider. Ron Paul has never lost as much as the media has beat him. Now we can say, why vote for Ron Paul because he can't get the media behind him, or we can collectively say, fuck the media and vote the man in!!!!!!!!!

Really, can you remember a time where so many from both the left and rightwing spectrum united behind a person with this kind of passion? If that's not something to build on, then there never will be!!!!!!!

Tito24 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 12, 2010, 07:01:17 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 12, 2010, 06:59:01 AM

Hugo - there is a Ron Paul clip I posted a few months ago with a debate with him and Kanjorski on CNBC that was like 12 minutes long. After seeing that clip, that is when I became a fan. I always like him, but that debate showed me how much he really knows. You cvan post it again or I can find it and bump it.

Ron paul is good...Was my choice for president...However, i don't see him having a chance against the Hawaiian Salesman..

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #24 on:** April 12, 2010, 07:02:53 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on April 12, 2010, 06:59:01 AM

Hugo - there is a Ron Paul clip I posted a few months ago with a debate with him and Kanjorski on CNBC that was like 12 minutes long. After seeing that clip, that is when I became a fan. I always like him, but that debate showed me how much he really knows. You cvan post it again or I can find it and bump it.