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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #175 on: April 19, 2010, 04:21:02 PM »
;D

I enjoy teaching people it's a passion  :)
I use the word 'learnin,' so as not to sound high-falutin,' and all.   :D

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #176 on: April 19, 2010, 04:24:15 PM »
there is more to aesthetics than abs and calves.

taper and muscle shape play a HUGE part.

if you knew something about the sport, you would know that:

ronnie 99 showing very good aesthetic appeal:

I agree there are more to aesthetics than calves and abs , however when you're missing them it's not a good sign , Ronnie was never aesthetic not compared to really aesthetic guys

and shape? how about the shape of his calves? shape of his abs ? shape of his forearms? shape of his glutes sticking so far out they can be seen from the front? how about proportion? that's another trait of aesthetics , you're limited knowledge of what aesthetics is what brings you to this dumb conclusions , it's true about the majority of your conclusions like Dorian lost in 1993 to Flex , now what was that about knowing something about the sport? yeah I thought so  ;)


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #177 on: April 19, 2010, 04:27:10 PM »
LOL ND a lawyer?

sorry too dumb.

no one who ever made it through law school could ever think dorian was better than ronnie 8)

Says the guy who claims Dorian lost in 1993 to Flex and Ronnie dominated in 2001 by losing the whole prejudging and Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian  ;)

sorry Hulkster here is you claiming that I'm smart and sorry I never could do the same for you because you're among the dumbest people on the internet and that's saying a LOT  ;)


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #178 on: April 19, 2010, 04:29:13 PM »
I use the word 'learnin,' so as not to sound high-falutin,' and all.   :D

I always wanted to be a learned man  ;D

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #179 on: April 19, 2010, 04:32:04 PM »
I always wanted to be a learned man  ;D
Ha! Reminds me of the Simpson's episode where Homer gets the 'little brother' and pronounces it 'learned' and not 'learn-ed.'   ;D

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #180 on: April 19, 2010, 04:37:27 PM »
Ha! Reminds me of the Simpson's episode where Homer gets the 'little brother' and pronounces it 'learned' and not 'learn-ed.'   ;D

hahahaha classic episode with Pepe? and Bart's Big Brother beats up the drunken gambler Homer?

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #181 on: April 19, 2010, 04:38:43 PM »
hahahaha classic episode with Peppy? and Bart's Big Brother beats up the drunken gambler Homer?
Yes! Back when it was funny. I think they were at Sea World, too.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #182 on: April 19, 2010, 04:43:29 PM »
Ha! Reminds me of the Simpson's episode where Homer gets the 'little brother' and pronounces it 'learned' and not 'learn-ed.'   ;D

I love you too, Pepsi.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #183 on: April 19, 2010, 04:45:26 PM »
I love you too, Pepsi.

lmao " it's pepe "

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #184 on: April 19, 2010, 05:13:37 PM »
Don't you two lovebirds have your own thread?   ;D

not anymore

ND pussied out of that long ago.

couldn't take the embarassment of losing so badly.
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #185 on: April 19, 2010, 05:32:45 PM »
not anymore

ND pussied out of that long ago.

couldn't take the embarassment of losing so badly.

LOSING ::) ::) ::)

are there really any winners when two grown adult males devote large swaths of time debating the finer points of their beloved oiled up ebony mountains of muscle they lust after ::) ::)

lets face it, even if you win,,,,,,your still a fucking loser

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #186 on: April 19, 2010, 06:21:28 PM »
not anymore

ND pussied out of that long ago.

couldn't take the embarassment of losing so badly.

yeah losing by Ronnie saying he wouldn't beat Dorian for the third time  ;) I own you using your own hero and boo-hoo Hulkster in another Yates thread crying like a little bitch , you lost a long time ago which is exactly why you're here

and please Hulkster learn to spell embarrassment you're only missing one letter lol

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #187 on: April 19, 2010, 07:02:46 PM »
look at this back shot, perhaps the freakiest i have ever seen

unrivaled thickness and development


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #188 on: April 20, 2010, 03:08:24 AM »
look at this back shot, perhaps the freakiest i have ever seen

unrivaled thickness and development




Unrivalled thickness ????  Hahahha o...k
and while you're at it check out his "arm"
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #189 on: April 20, 2010, 04:41:35 AM »
look at this back shot, perhaps the freakiest i have ever seen

unrivaled thickness and development



Hardly unrivaled:




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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #190 on: April 20, 2010, 04:15:16 PM »
Hardly unrivaled:





I can't thank you enough for posting that comparison as Dorian Yates' granite like conditioning and muscle thickness is making Ronnie Coleman look like play-dogh. Thank you very much indeed.

Nice shot of RC at the 2001 Arnold Classic:


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #191 on: April 20, 2010, 04:51:54 PM »
I love how Hulkster throws a lot of the pro Dorian "talk" out of the window by just posting some great pictures.  :D

Some of these guys say so many things about Dorian being the best ever and the such, but then Hulkster takes their whole argument to the ground with those pics.

Of course, most of the pro Dorian people will say those are "selective" pics. ::)





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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #192 on: April 20, 2010, 04:56:35 PM »
Spoken like a ignorant fan-boy

did Ronnie take density & dryness to the next level? NO
did Ronnie take balance & proportion to the next level? NO
did Ronnie take posing & presentation to the next level? NO

he wasn't better than Dorian in ANY of these areas , the only thing he took to the next level was competing at a heavier bodyweight , which Dorian could have done eons earlier he was 269 pounds in 1993 , it took Ronnie 7 years to compete at that weight and he wasn't nearly as hard or dry as Dorian was at that weight , Dorian was 282 pounds in 1995 ( pre-contest ) and in better condition than Ronnie when he competed at 287 7 years later , Ronnie took what to the next level? competing at the Olympia at heavier body weights with less than perfect conditioning?

Dorian been there done that

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did Ronnie take density & dryness to the next level? NO
did Ronnie take balance & proportion to the next level? NO
did Ronnie take posing & presentation to the next level? NO

Dorian's balance & proportion wasn't that great after 1993 anyway in my eyes.
His posing was nothing special aswell.

I was talking about the mass monster trend Dorian started and many followed (Nasser, Fux, Ronnie, Cutler, etc.)
In this case, Ronnie took it to a next level. He was massive, but at the same time, at his best, had great shape, taper, aesthetics, conditioning that resembled him to an anatomy chart, etc. His tie-ins were insane too.
A lot of things that the previous mass monsters weren't able to do.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #193 on: April 20, 2010, 04:59:19 PM »
I love how Hulkster throws a lot of the pro Dorian "talk" out of the window by just posting some great pictures.  :D

Some of these guys say so many things about Dorian being the best ever and the such, but then Hulkster takes their whole argument to the ground with those pics.

Of course, most of the pro Dorian people will say those are "selective" pics. ::)






Yeah I also like when Hulkster posts pics of Ronnie's calves and claim how they're more detailed than Dorians ever were , I also love when Hulkster posts pics of the 1993 Mr Olympia and then says Dorian lost to Flex Wheeler and I also love when he posts pics of 2001 where Ronnie lost the whole prejudging and claims Ronnie dominated the contests !! LMFAO yeah he really knows what he's talking about  ;D

and you mean the pics of Hulkster posts of Dorian 1997 fully relaxed to photoshopped pics of Ronnie 1999 fully flexed those pics?  ;)


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #194 on: April 20, 2010, 05:07:13 PM »
I never claimed YOU claimed he should have beaten Dorian in 1995 , however YOU did claim Shawn wins the ab-thigh which is ignorant and delusional . You did claim Dorian's win wasn't as dominant as some make it out to be and it's in line with how little you know , and you keep proving it with the comment Nasser was closer to Dorian in 1995 lmfao sure he was

I'm glad you admit you're basing things off of your preference instead of how contests are judged , because it's obvious you don't even know how they are judged and it's not what YOU think looks better that wins contests , you're another guy who likes pretty physiques

I'm assuming you meant ' Because you think so? ' not only because I think so but because the facts show this , again , does Shawn beat Dorian in muscular bulk in this pose? NO those be beat him in density & dryness in this pose? NO does he beat him in balance & proportion? NO doesn't he beat him in posing & presentation in this pose? NO

Does Shawn has some advantages in this pose? YES , does he beat Dorian in this pose overall when all of the criteria is assessed? NO just because YOU like the way Shawn's physique looks in this pose ( and others ) doesn't mean he wins them , he wins them in your eyes but then again we've already established contests aren't judged on your preferences

stupid? someone is getting sensitive  ;D kinda of ironic you're calling someone stupid when you don't even know how contests are judged. again contests are NOT judged on what looks good for you in a particular pose.

says you and we've already established a few things , you're ignorant on how contests are judged , base things on what you prefer , but I do agree Nasser come closer in the ab-thigh to Dorian than Shawn ever did , but at this particular contest close in one pose means very little in the grand scheme of things

NOPE I give a detailed explanation on the judging criteria and how Dorian meets it better than his contemporaries , I don't just say it's so. Shawn could have very well had better quads it doesn't mean much in the context of the entire criteria that is applicable

says you , Dorian destroyed everyone just like he did in 1993 to deny this is to deny his superiority in 1993 , you opinion contradicts reality & bodybuilding history , you're in good company with the other Ronnie fans  ;)

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Does Shawn has some advantages in this pose? YES , does he beat Dorian in this pose overall when all of the criteria is assessed? NO just because YOU like the way Shawn's physique looks in this pose ( and others ) doesn't mean he wins them , he wins them in your eyes but then again we've already established contests aren't judged on your preferences

When Shawn had some advantages in that pose just shows that he wasn't crushed, in my opinion. The same with the rest of the top competitors in that O.

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stupid? someone is getting sensitive  ;D kinda of ironic you're calling someone stupid when you don't even know how contests are judged. again contests are NOT judged on what looks good for you in a particular pose.

lol, you can't read ND. I was making fun of you calling me stupid, I was surprised of your arrogant and "know it all" mentality.
I wasn't calling you stupid at all.

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says you , Dorian destroyed everyone just like he did in 1993 to deny this is to deny his superiority in 1993 , you opinion contradicts reality & bodybuilding history , you're in good company with the other Ronnie fans  ;)

Dorian in 1995 was not similar to Dorian in 1993. His back, calves and overall torso were bigger, but his arms, delts and upper legs didn't match up. This, in my eyes, affected his proportions and balance negatively. He also had the bicep tear, Dorian in 95 was not equall to Dorian in 1993.

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Shawn could have very well had better quads it doesn't mean much in the context of the entire criteria that is applicable

Dorian best met the entire criteria in this contest, which shows why he won fairly. Shawn had better quads and other advantages against Dorian too, which shows he wasn't crushed.


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #195 on: April 20, 2010, 05:11:34 PM »
Dorian's balance & proportion wasn't that great after 1993 anyway in my eyes.
His posing was nothing special aswell.

I was talking about the mass monster trend Dorian started and many followed (Nasser, Fux, Ronnie, Cutler, etc.)
In this case, Ronnie took it to a next level. He was massive, but at the same time, at his best, had great shape, taper, aesthetics, conditioning that resembled him to an anatomy chart, etc. His tie-ins were insane too.
A lot of things that the previous mass monsters weren't able to do.

okay so the entire balance & proportion of his physique was ruined by having one bicep shorter than the other , gotcha lol

and Ronnie in fact got worse the heavier he became which is exactly why his lightest weights are considered his best , 2001 he was 245 pounds , 1998 249 pounds . He got worse the heavier he became because his balance & proportion got worse ( more exaggerated ) and his conditioning suffered as well , two areas mind you Dorian's physique stayed the same the heavier he became AT HIS BEST mind you not at the 1997 Mr Olympia


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #196 on: April 20, 2010, 05:12:30 PM »
Yeah I also like when Hulkster posts pics of Ronnie's calves and claim how they're more detailed than Dorians ever were , I also love when Hulkster posts pics of the 1993 Mr Olympia and then says Dorian lost to Flex Wheeler and I also love when he posts pics of 2001 where Ronnie lost the whole prejudging and claims Ronnie dominated the contests !! LMFAO yeah he really knows what he's talking about  ;D

and you mean the pics of Hulkster posts of Dorian 1997 fully relaxed to photoshopped pics of Ronnie 1999 fully flexed those pics?  ;)

Hey, I was just having some fun.... ;D I knew one of you pro Dorian guys was going to respond to this.

You do get upset when someone mentions Hulkster though.
He is probably tired of trying to argue with you though and just puts everything to rest with some of his good comparison pics. (like the 1999 Ronnie vs 1995 Dorian FLS pose pic he posted some time ago)


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #197 on: April 20, 2010, 05:21:13 PM »
Hey, I was just having some fun.... ;D I knew one of you pro Dorian guys was going to respond to this.

You do get upset when someone mentions Hulkster though.
He is probably tired of trying to argue with you though and just puts everything to rest with some of his good comparison pics. (like the 1999 Ronnie vs 1995 Dorian FLS pose pic he posted some time ago)



The old fun ploy huh? never saw that before  ::)

who is upset? you're fond of making assumptions huh? projecting are we? Hulkster is a joke even to people who agree Ronnie is better ! you put that out there and I just exposed Hulkster's massive perception flaws and if you agree with him you're in good company

there is NO argument with Hulkster , he can't even get the basics right , what there is , is Hulkster trolling in a Yates thread getting his ignorance exposed and him melting down . nothing new

the ' argument ' ended when Ronnie said for the third time he couldn't beat Dorian and thus the meltdowns have ensued  ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #198 on: April 20, 2010, 05:25:26 PM »
You absolutely did NOT know all the criteria is assessed nonsense . and again how times did Shawn beat Dorian in any posing rounds? NONE ever wonder why? because all rounds are physique rounds , so you think Shawn is a better poser? that means Dorian didn't dominate? when Shawn losing both the posing rounds to Dorian and in fact is in fourth place that means Dorian dominated him in grand fashion it's not close under any circumstances

You're proving yourself just another ignorant guy who doesn't get Dorian's physique and prefers more pretty ones , and make assumptions based just on that . Dorian was an outstanding poser and if you ever actually watched him you'd know this , is he in the same breathe of a poser as Lee Labrada? NO however Dorian poses to his physiques strengths , posing to slow and sultry music and doing lots of twists and turns wouldn't ever work with his physique

Dorian was a great poser for that reason and the fact he mastered the mandatory poses , he never looked like he was stumbling that's more delusional on your behalf , he always posed to his physiques best advantage , he always held his poses for the right amount of time , he transitioned well from pose-to-pose and and always presented an air of confidence and professionalism

Shawn was a very good poser he always displayed his physique to it's best advantage however that doesn't mean shit in the context of the entire judging criteria , especially when you're down on the rest of the criteria , again Shawn never beat Dorian in ANY posing rounds , ever wonder why?

AGAIN I never claimed YOU claimed Shawn should the whole contest , however YOU did claim Shawn wins the pose and you're be dead wrong again. please pay attention , Shawn doesn't beat Dorian in ANY pose in 1995 when all things are considered

Dorian dwarfed Shawn NO contest it's not open for discussion and anything to the contrary wont be entertained just laughed at , and Nasser was compared to Dorian and he was heavier than Yates and yet you'd never know it , Nasser didn't dwarf Yates despite this fact and when all things are considered he dominated the entire contest , again to deny his dominance in 1995 is to deny it in 1993 , there was no contest and anyone who disagree has an ignorant agenda.


Shawn has short legs compared to his contemporaries and Dorian was one of them and his legs are short for his torso ( which is long ) , same with Nasser and Levrone , however I digress because if everyone has short legs than it's not a flaw , but he was directly compared to someone who doesn't ( Dorian ) so it's a flaw in the judges eyes. incomplete quads? 1995 his quad was torn but not incomplete , and his legs were absolutely more balanced than Shawns , no question about it ! is Yates' perfect? NO better than Shawns? absolutely

Lets entertain Shawn has a clear advantage in quads over Dorian , this means what? he wins the pose? is Shawn carrying more muscular bulk than Dorian in this pose? NO does he have better conditioning? for the sake of argument lets say it's equal ,  does he have better density? NO , density and muscular bulk are highly desirable to the judges , one thing to be 205lbs and dense and a whole other to be 260lbs and hard as nails , does he beat Dorian in balance & proportion? NO does he beat Dorian in posing & presentation? NO ( recall all rounds are physique rounds ) he doesn't beat Dorian in this pose , he isn't even close to Dorian in this pose , he's way behind in fact

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You absolutely did NOT know all the criteria is assessed nonsense . and again how times did Shawn beat Dorian in any posing rounds? NONE ever wonder why? because all rounds are physique rounds , so you think Shawn is a better poser? that means Dorian didn't dominate? when Shawn losing both the posing rounds to Dorian and in fact is in fourth place that means Dorian dominated him in grand fashion it's not close under any circumstances

I knew..........
It means Shawn had some advantages over Dorian, which shows he wasn't dominated. He still lost in the overall picture no doubt about it.

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You're proving yourself just another ignorant guy who doesn't get Dorian's physique and prefers more pretty ones , and make assumptions based just on that . Dorian was an outstanding poser and if you ever actually watched him you'd know this , is he in the same breathe of a poser as Lee Labrada? NO however Dorian poses to his physiques strengths , posing to slow and sultry music and doing lots of twists and turns wouldn't ever work with his physique

I definitively prefer Shawn's physique over Dorian's.
I exaggerated a bit with the stumbling thing, but Shawn was better poser.

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AGAIN I never claimed YOU claimed Shawn should the whole contest , however YOU did claim Shawn wins the pose and you're be dead wrong again. please pay attention , Shawn doesn't beat Dorian in ANY pose in 1995 when all things are considered

For you and the judges for sure. For me he wins that pose.

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Shawn has short legs compared to his contemporaries and Dorian was one of them and his legs are short for his torso ( which is long ) , same with Nasser and Levrone , however I digress because if everyone has short legs than it's not a flaw , but he was directly compared to someone who doesn't ( Dorian ) so it's a flaw in the judges eyes. incomplete quads? 1995 his quad was torn but not incomplete , and his legs were absolutely more balanced than Shawns , no question about it ! is Yates' perfect? NO better than Shawns? absolutely


For his height his legs are not short, you're not looking at the bigger picture. If someone is taller, like Dorian, of course he is going to have longer legs.
When I can't see a nicely developed vastus lateralis muscle, I see incomplete quad development in Dorian. I see Shawn having better leg development than Dorian and better leg proportion too.
I know, Dorian met more of the criteria better than Shawn, which is why he won. There is no need for you to repeat that, I'm just saying Shawn wasn't too far behind.







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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #199 on: April 20, 2010, 05:26:37 PM »
That's just about it....

 His body is ugly as fuck. He is overrated. Big and ripped, but that's all. No symettry, no aestetics, just a big pile of shit.

You should not be commenting negatively on anyone's physique after posting your tiny tit pic from your mom's basement.