Dorian Yates - overrated!

[NeoSeminole]

NOT quite true Neo and you know it

oh? I dare you to find me quotes that say Dorian had a better physique. Note: these quotes specifically talk about best physique

Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder

"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."

Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49

"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."

John Plummer – Flexonline 2003 Mr. Olympia Contest Review

"The long-awaited triple showdown between Coleman, Jay Cutler and Günter Schlierkamp failed to materialize as the defending champion destroyed all-comers with possibly the most awesome physique ever seen on a bodybuilding stage."

http://www.flexonline.com.au/216.html

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005

"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."

Tony Doherty - Heavy Muscle Radio (03-16-09)

"Ronnie is the best ever. No one even comes close."

Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer

"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"

Steve Blechman - MD, February 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable... Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"

Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004

"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0

Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official

"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

[NarcissisticDeity]

So the fact that he was a bit drier in 98 (which may be the reason why Ronnie said his 98 conditioning was his best) make his 99 conditioning off?
Just look at the pics and its a different story.

Now, did Ronnie say his 98 conditioning was his best or did he say his overall package was his best?

You're treading in Hulkster territory with the fuck what everyone else says

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh? I dare you to find me quotes that say Dorian had a better physique

Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder

"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."

Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49

"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."

John Plummer – Flexonline 2003 Mr. Olympia Contest Review

"The long-awaited triple showdown between Coleman, Jay Cutler and Günter Schlierkamp failed to materialize as the defending champion destroyed all-comers with possibly the most awesome physique ever seen on a bodybuilding stage."

http://www.flexonline.com.au/216.html

Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005

"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."

Tony Doherty - Heavy Muscle Radio (03-16-09)

"Ronnie is the best ever. No one even comes close."

Tony Doherty - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270388.msg3803035#msg3803035

Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer

"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"

Steve Blechman - MD, February 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable... Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"

Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004

"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0

Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official

"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

The quotes have already been posted and you know it

[NeoSeminole]

The quotes have already been posted and you know it

stop lying. All the quotes you've posted either came from before Ronnie's prime or only compare specific body parts - not best physique

[NarcissisticDeity]

stop lying. All the quotes you've posted either came from before Ronnie's prime or only compare specific body parts - not best physique

What happened the last time you called me a liar kid? 

I can post the three Ronnie quotes and embarrass you if you'd like? that silences anything you can type 

[NeoSeminole]

Hahahahaha guest posing Ronnie with his collection of parts just thrown together doesn't stand a chance

funny you say that when Kevin Horton said there are unseen pics of 02 pre-contest Ronnie that rival the 95 pre-contest lat spread pic of Dorian you like to post

[JP_RC]

ND and you love quotes.....here's one for you from Neo's quotes:

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

Is a recognized bodybuilding personality (pro bodybuilder) saying that Ronnie Coleman at his best would beat Dorian Yates? Yes he is.

You see people's opinions on the subject can vary and it shows that there are A LOT of people out there that think like this.
What makes your opinion the undisputable correct one?
Could Dorian beat Ronnie? I don't think so and at least I can support my opinion with pics:

[NarcissisticDeity]

funny you say that when Kevin Horton said there are unseen pics of 02 pre-contest Ronnie that rival the 95 pre-contest lat spread pic of Dorian you like to post

true he also said Yates conditioning at 280-285 hasn't been equaled either and we all know Dorian has better balance & proportion and he's more complete  so you still lose 

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND and you love quotes.....here's one for you from Neo's quotes:

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

Is a recognized bodybuilding personality (pro bodybuilder) saying that Ronnie Coleman at his best would beat Dorian Yates? Yes he is.

You see people's opinions on the subject can vary and it shows that there are A LOT of people out there that think like this.
What makes your opinion the undisputable correct one?
Could Dorian beat Ronnie? I don't think so and at least I can support my opinion with pics:

I never once claimed my opinion was ' undisputable' ( sic ) you're reduced to making up lies now , when you find that quote from me feel free to share and I'll apologize 


Flex Magazine Jan 1999

Ernie Taylor

" When I saw Ronnie Coleman backstage before the prejudging , it was looking at ' three-D ' again. He looked fantastic. But I think if Dorian ( Yates ) were competing he would have won the show . "

works both ways 

[JP_RC]

You're treading in Hulkster territory with the fuck what everyone else says

Nope, its not fuck what everyone else says. I just see it a bit differently.
 
All I'm saying is: Ronnie was drier in 98, but is that enough to top his 99 physique?
Let's suppose it is, would that make his 99 conditioning off? I don't see looking at the pics.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nope, its not fuck what everyone else says. I just see it a bit differently.
 
All I'm saying is: Ronnie was drier in 98, but is that enough to top his 99 physique?
Let's suppose it is, would that make his 99 conditioning off? I don't see looking at the pics.

drier and HARDER stop omitting that part as well and yes it is enough to top it especially considering the general consensus among the experts is his lightest showings are considered his best

[NarcissisticDeity]

stop lying. All the quotes you've posted either came from before Ronnie's prime or only compare specific body parts - not best physique

Neo is a LIAR this my friend I believe is from 2009 

Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?

Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.


Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so.  Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block.  He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.  He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.




PRIME-TIME Neo these were from after he started winning Sandows , please.... you make yourself look like a fool when you are reduced to making things up

[JP_RC]

I never once claimed my opinion was ' undisputable' ( sic ) you're reduced to making up lies now , when you find that quote from me feel free to share and I'll apologize 


Flex Magazine Jan 1999

Ernie Taylor

" When I saw Ronnie Coleman backstage before the prejudging , it was looking at ' three-D ' again. He looked fantastic. But I think if Dorian ( Yates ) were competing he would have won the show . "

works both ways 

I never once claimed my opinion was ' undisputable' ( sic ) you're reduced to making up lies now , when you find that quote from me feel free to share and I'll apologize 

You never claimed you opinion was undisputable, but that is the impression you put off. I wasn't trying to say you claimed it.

Flex Magazine Jan 1999

Ernie Taylor

" When I saw Ronnie Coleman backstage before the prejudging , it was looking at ' three-D ' again. He looked fantastic. But I think if Dorian ( Yates ) were competing he would have won the show . "[/b]

works both ways 

Exactly, it can work both ways. That is what I was trying to show you, but let's play your game here:

Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder

"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."

Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49

"Many experts", does this include all the experts and judges you claim know and apply the criteria that would supposedly have Dorian beat Ronnie?
According to them a top Ronnie beats Dorian.

John Plummer – Flexonline 2003 Mr. Olympia Contest Review

"The long-awaited triple showdown between Coleman, Jay Cutler and Günter Schlierkamp failed to materialize as the defending champion destroyed all-comers with possibly the most awesome physique ever seen on a bodybuilding stage."

http://www.flexonline.com.au/216.html

Wait a minute, I thought every expert on the bb scene said Ronnie's best was either 98 or 2001 according to you?
As you see opinions can vary.

Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005

"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."


Tony Doherty - Heavy Muscle Radio (03-16-09)

"Ronnie is the best ever. No one even comes close."


More "experts" saying Ronnie would beat Dorian.

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."


I guess the whole "Dorian always had better conditioning with bigger size than Ronnie" idea you claim is not really so to some other people.

Oh yes ND, it can work both ways........

 

[NeoSeminole]

Flex Magazine Jan 1999

Ernie Taylor

" When I saw Ronnie Coleman backstage before the prejudging , it was looking at ' three-D ' again. He looked fantastic. But I think if Dorian ( Yates ) were competing he would have won the show . "

quote is from the 98 Mr Olympia, before the 01 ASC and 03 Mr Olympia which many claim are Ronnie's peak

[NarcissisticDeity]

You never claimed you opinion was undisputable, but that is the impression you put off. I wasn't trying to say you claimed it.

Exactly, it can work both ways. That is what I was trying to show you, but let's play your game here:

Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder

"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."

Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49

"Many experts", does this include all the experts and judges you claim know and apply the criteria that would supposedly have Dorian beat Ronnie?
According to them a top Ronnie beats Dorian.

John Plummer – Flexonline 2003 Mr. Olympia Contest Review

"The long-awaited triple showdown between Coleman, Jay Cutler and Günter Schlierkamp failed to materialize as the defending champion destroyed all-comers with possibly the most awesome physique ever seen on a bodybuilding stage."

http://www.flexonline.com.au/216.html

Wait a minute, I thought every expert on the bb scene said Ronnie's best was either 98 or 2001 according to you?
As you see opinions can vary.

Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005

"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."


Tony Doherty - Heavy Muscle Radio (03-16-09)

"Ronnie is the best ever. No one even comes close."


More "experts" saying Ronnie would beat Dorian.

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."


I guess the whole "Dorian always had better conditioning with bigger size than Ronnie" idea you claim is not really so to some other people.

Oh yes ND, it can work both ways........

 

You never claimed you opinion was undisputable, but that is the impression you put off. I wasn't trying to say you claimed it.

you NEVER typed that was the impression you got , I can only go by what you type it's not my fault you can't type what you mean

Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder

"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."

Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49

hahahaha this hurts you because.............wher e is 1999?  old quote NOTHING new , nothing original , been addressed already

"Many experts", does this include all the experts and judges you claim know and apply the criteria that would supposedly have Dorian beat Ronnie?
According to them a top Ronnie beats Dorian.

Again it works both ways , it's a subjective opinion you think this trumps what Ronnie typed? I beg to differ

John Plummer – Flexonline 2003 Mr. Olympia Contest Review

"The long-awaited triple showdown between Coleman, Jay Cutler and Günter Schlierkamp failed to materialize as the defending champion destroyed all-comers with possibly the most awesome physique ever seen on a bodybuilding stage."

who the fuck is John  Plummer?    it was an awesome physique has nothing to do with the topic at hand , and go learn what the word possibly means

Wait a minute, I thought every expert on the bb scene said Ronnie's best was either 98 or 2001 according to you?
As you see opinions can vary.

NEVER said every expert you're lying again and don't blame me for your faults .

b]Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005

"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
[/b]

Tony Doherty - Heavy Muscle Radio (03-16-09)

"Ronnie is the best ever. No one even comes close."


More "experts" saying Ronnie would beat Dorian.

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Due you're really reaching with these quotes where does it say 1998/2001 isn't his best? where?

go learn what subjective means when you're looking up the word possibly  and I've never denied it's popular opinion that people think Ronnie would beat Dorian or he's the best , it doesn't make it a fact

I guess the whole "Dorian always had better conditioning with bigger size than Ronnie" idea you claim is not really so to some other people.

Oh yes ND, it can work both ways........

who said it in specific relation to Dorian? who?

[NeoSeminole]

Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?

Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.

means nothing. Ronnie is not a bodybuilding expert, and he was being humble which everybody knows.

I'm still waiting for these quotes from bodybuilding experts that compare them at their best and say Dorian would have won

[NarcissisticDeity]

quote is from the 98 Mr Olympia, before the 01 ASC and 03 Mr Olympia which many claim are Ronnie's peak

I don't care when they're from you just got caught in another lie by claiming they were all before he hit his peak or prime or any other semantic game you wanna play , and they're NOT

Weider thinks 98 was his best , as does Shawn Ray , as does Phil Heath as does Troy Alves , as does Shawn Perine , the quotes were from 2009 where Ronnie says 98 was his best Olympia , which if I'm not mistaken ( and I rarely am  ) is past 2003 , 2001 , 1999 , 1998 

once again Neo when you step to me bring your A-game or go back to the minor leagues kid 

Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best. psssstttttt post 1998 in fact 2000 

[NarcissisticDeity]

means nothing. Ronnie is not a bodybuilding expert, and he was being humble which everybody knows.

I'm still waiting for these quotes from bodybuilding experts that compare them at their best and say Dorian would have won

The greatest bodybuilder of all-time , the guy with the most Olympia and most pro wins is NOT a bodybuilding expert LMMFAO I've heard it all now 

and everyone knows he was being humble? ( ad populum anyone? ) no we all know he was being honest

[Hulkotron]

..

[NeoSeminole]

I don't care when they're from you just got caught in another lie by claiming they were all before he hit his peak or prime or any other semantic game you wanna play , and they're NOT

where did I lie? Nowhere did you show me quotes saying a prime Dorian would beat a prime Ronnie. All you did was post quotes comparing a peak Dorian in mid-stride to a Ronnie who just started winning the big one. It would be like me comparing 03 Ronnie to 92 Dorian and defending my comparison by saying "hey, Dorian was already Mr. Olympia. So it's fair game."

Weider thinks 98 was his best , as does Shawn Ray , as does Phil Heath as does Troy Alves , as does Shawn Perine , the quotes were from 2009 where Ronnie says 98 was his best Olympia , which if I'm not mistaken ( and I rarely am) is past 2003 , 2001 , 1999 , 1998

epic leaving out facts. Phil Heath says the 03 Mr Olympia was Ronnie's best and Shawn Perine mentions the 01 ASC

Phil Heath - Dexter Jackson Classic Superstar Seminar

"98, yeah, was incredible but I remember sitting there buying [the 03 Mr. Olympia] PPV and watching that with my college friends and, literally, on the top of the damn chair, talking about "man, did you see that?" Did you just see what happened?"

"For me, 98 and 03, but 03 was retarded. Ask Jay. He'll tell you. Dude just came off a damn spaceship."

Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004

“As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.”

Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.[/b] psssstttttt post 1998 in fact 2000

lol, so you admit this quote came before the 01 ASC and 03 Mr Olympia?

[NeoSeminole]

The greatest bodybuilder of all-time , the guy with the most Olympia and most pro wins is NOT a bodybuilding expert LMMFAO I've heard it all now

and everyone knows he was being humble? ( ad populum anyone? ) no we all know he was being honest

brah, that's not argument ad populum. It's the mutual consensus reached by any rational adult who follows this sport. Ronnie has always been humble in his interviews and acceptance speeches, and attributes all his wins to God. If Dorian is the defending champ, then of course Ronnie is gonna say Dorian would win b/c it's the will of God

[NarcissisticDeity]

where did I lie? Nowhere did you show me quotes saying a prime Dorian would beat a prime Ronnie. All you did was post quotes comparing a peak Dorian in mid-stride to a Ronnie who just started winning the big one. It would be like me comparing 03 Ronnie to 92 Dorian and defending my comparison by saying "hey, Dorian was already Mr. Olympia. So it's fair game."

epic leaving out facts. Phil Heath says the 03 Mr Olympia was Ronnie's best and Shawn Perine mentions the 01 ASC

Phil Heath - Dexter Jackson Classic Superstar Seminar

"98, yeah, was incredible but I remember sitting there buying [the 03 Mr. Olympia] PPV and watching that with my college friends and, literally, on the top of the damn chair, talking about "man, did you see that?" Did you just see what happened?"

"For me, 98 and 03, but 03 was retarded. Ask Jay. He'll tell you. Dude just came off a damn spaceship."

Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004

“As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.”

lol, so you admit this quote came before the 01 ASC and 03 Mr Olympia?

where did I lie? Nowhere did you show me quotes saying a prime Dorian would beat a prime Ronnie. All you did was post quotes comparing a peak Dorian in mid-stride to a Ronnie who just started winning the big one. It would be like me comparing 03 Ronnie to 92 Dorian and defending my comparison by saying "hey, Dorian was already Mr. Olympia. So it's fair game."

Right here stop lying. All the quotes you've posted either came from before Ronnie's prime or only compare specific body parts - not best physique

I will correct you again NO not all the quotes I posted came from either before his prime or compared parts , you're a liar and proven so once again.

And your analogy is weak and why? many consider Ronnie's first Olympia his best ( I provided numerous examples ) NO ONE considers 1992 Dorians. and Ronnie's quote from from 2009 Neo I mean get serious.

epic leaving out facts. Phil Heath says the 03 Mr Olympia was Ronnie's best and Shawn Perine mentions the 01 ASC

Phil Heath - Dexter Jackson Classic Superstar Seminar

"98, yeah, was incredible but I remember sitting there buying [the 03 Mr. Olympia] PPV and watching that with my college friends and, literally, on the top of the damn chair, talking about "man, did you see that?" Did you just see what happened?"

"For me, 98 and 03, but 03 was retarded. Ask Jay. He'll tell you. Dude just came off a damn spaceship."

No facts left out , Heath said 98 , as did Alves as did Ronnie , as did Weider , as did Ray as have others and I know Shawn mentions 01 as he does 1998 , Ronnie's peak in many eyes the Priest quote is from 2000 POST 1998/1999 , The Ernie Taylor quote is from 1999 , the Ronnie quote is 2009 , you're not being honest or accurate

[NarcissisticDeity]

brah, that's not argument ad populum. It's the mutual consensus reached by any rational adult who follows this sport. Ronnie has always been humble in his interviews and acceptance speeches, and attributes all his wins to God. If Dorian is the defending champ, then of course Ronnie is gonna say Dorian would win b/c it's the will of God

No it's an appeal to numbers just like your quotes and the best part is you're speaking for a LOT of people , you're taking liberties

and I really do enjoy correcting you 

Ronnie has always been humble in his interviews and acceptance speeches, and attributes all his wins to God.

THOUGHTS ON LOSING TO SCHLIERKAMP AT THE 2002 GNC SHOW OF STRENGTH:

It was nothing more than a way to create interest in the sport. No reigning Mr. Olympia had lost a show like this before. The goal was to shake things up, set the stage for a three-way battle [with Cutler and Schlierkamp] at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. There was no way in the world that I should have lost the GNC. Just look at the photos. I was victimized by the system

real humble ( and spare me he was just being honest that's besides the point , he didn't take the highroad or he wasn't be humble )

For Jay to get what I have [the Mr. Olympia title], I think he needs to be reborn and pray for better genetics."

Mr Humble?

Jay must be on crack to think he could ever beat me

where is this praise to God? 

Being white sure helped Jay win the Olympia

Do I really need to continue? should I embarrass you any further? don't presume to interpret what Ronnie was thinking , he's been pretty consistent with his feelings on Dorian , who after all beat him and everyone for eons

[NeoSeminole]

Right here stop lying. All the quotes you've posted either came from before Ronnie's prime or only compare specific body parts - not best physique

I will correct you again NO not all the quotes I posted came from either before his prime or compared parts , you're a liar and proven so once again.

where are the quotes comparing Dorian to an 01 ASC or 03 Mr Olympia Ronnie?

you can't compare Dorian and Ronnie at their peak if the quotes you use came BEFORE Ronnie's peak, lol

No facts left out , Heath said 98 , as did Alves as did Ronnie , as did Weider , as did Ray as have others and I know Shawn mentions 01 as he does 1998 , Ronnie's peak in many eyes the Priest quote is from 2000 POST 1998/1999 , The Ernie Taylor quote is from 1999 , the Ronnie quote is 2009 , you're not being honest or accurate

looks like somebody needs to go back to grade school and learn what grammatical conjunctions are.

but: indicates a contrast or exception

Heath said 98 was good but 03 was even better

and stop with this nonsense about using quotes from 98. Funny how most bodybuilding experts say Ronnie's peak was after 98 and Flex's poll for best back changed after 98, yet according to you Ronnie didn't improve

[NeoSeminole]

THOUGHTS ON LOSING TO SCHLIERKAMP AT THE 2002 GNC SHOW OF STRENGTH:

It was nothing more than a way to create interest in the sport. No reigning Mr. Olympia had lost a show like this before. The goal was to shake things up, set the stage for a three-way battle [with Cutler and Schlierkamp] at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. There was no way in the world that I should have lost the GNC. Just look at the photos. I was victimized by the system

way to go, brah! I said acceptance speeches and you post a quote after he lost