Dorian Yates - overrated!

[Hulkster]

even though the judges made it clear in 2004 that you can have shitty abs and still beat someone with great abs, dorian would still win the ab shot IMO.

even with his shitty quads.

he would win the side tri shot and ab shot, and lose everything else.

[NarcissisticDeity]

 

Dorian wins from the sides , the front , the back and why? because ALL rounds are physique rounds

[Royal Lion]

Great shot!  He was one thick, dense MOFO.

[JP_RC]

Ray was fantastic in 94.  He has always been one of my favorites; in fact, his physique is more appealing (no homo) than both Ronnie's of Dorian's imo, but we all know the IFBB rewards size size size.  As such, 94 Dorian just had too much size with good conditioning (even when Dorian is "off" his condition is great), and therefore won.

This is one of the most impressive MM shots ever imo...

I understand your point of view here and have to agree.

I always prefered this version of his MM though:

[James28]

Shawn Ray is the reason I started training. I favour his classical lines about those of Yates and Coleman. However, does not make me blind to his shortcomings.

[JP_RC]

It is subjective and it doesn't make it a fact , and it's quite the contrary it's not a popular opinion Dorian would beat Ronnie

Really? Because he supposedly meets the criteria better? When about 90% of the criteria is subjective?

[JP_RC]

I can't believe some of you all spend so much time and energy on this Dorian vs. Ronnie thing.

 When I started this thread I thought it would be dead within 1 day! But I opened up the gates of hell with this topic.

Its another truce thread in the making......

I hope not.

[James28]

Really? Because he supposedly meets the criteria better? When about 90% of the criteria is subjective?

Hope about Coleman admitting the subjective criteria favours Yates above him ?

[Royal Lion]

Speaking of Shawn Ray, I think 1999 was arguably his best showing.  Not only is physique outstanding, but his presentation is second to none.

[JP_RC]

Hope about Coleman admitting the subjective criteria favours Yates above him ?

Its ok, its what he may think of it. I still think Ronnie's best beats Dorian.

[James28]

Its ok, its what he may think of it. I still think Ronnie's best beats Dorian.

Hey, you know an 8 time Mr Olympia better than himself then that's your opinion.

[JP_RC]

Speaking of Shawn Ray, I think 1999 was arguably his best showing.  Not only is physique outstanding, but his presentation is second to none.

I personally think 94 was his best ever, but 1999 was pretty close to it. Its a matter of opinion.

I couldn't help to notice one thing here though, you guys claim Dorian is better than Ronnie because his top competitors were at their best in the years they competed against him (1992-1997) as opposed when they competed against Ronnie's best years (1998-2001), but now you say Shawn Ray's best ever was 1999. 1999 being a year he got beat by Ronnie Coleman by a large margin, not to mention Flex, Levrone and Nasser beat this 1999 version of Shawn and still got killed bt Ronnie.

Where does this leave the whole Dorian faced better competition argument?

[JP_RC]

Hey, you know an 8 time Mr Olympia better than himself then that's your opinion.

Do you really want to put all your argument on who said what?

Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder

"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."

Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49

Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004

"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."


Let me ask you know: Do you know better than "experts" and an Arnold Classic winner?

Those are ALL opinions. Some I agree, but some I don't.

[JP_RC]

 

[JP_RC]

lol he is not hitting the shot in that freeze frame.

however, even if he WAS, dorian would still obviously have way better abs, but ronnie's quads destroy dorian's any year.

because ronnie can't hit an ab shot to save his life.

all he does is alternate which set of intercostals and serratus to flex...

he barely even crunches his abs..

however, the judges have made it clear that abs are only one part of the shot they look at.

ronnie 2004 beat dex in the shot despite having shitty abs in comparison

ronnie 99 might beat dorian in the shot too for the same reason.

great abs but shitty everything else isn't enough..as the judges made quite clear in 2004..

if dorina 95 and ronnie 99 stepped onstage, the same thing might happen..

Good point.

[Hulkster]

Good point.

as always

[Hulkster]

Dorian > Ronnie. More conditioned.  Yes, Ronnie looks "fuller", but in 1999 he did not achieve the dryness or hardness of a 92, 93, 95, or 96 Dorian.

don't be so sure.

ronnie was so ripped in 99 it wasn't even funny.

dorian never looked this dry in a side chest shot. ever.

the contrast between super ripped and dry ronnie and Exonn Valdez Flex here is astonishing.

[Shockwave]

don't be so sure.

ronnie was so ripped in 99 it wasn't even funny.

dorian never looked this dry in a side chest shot. ever.

the contrast between super ripped and dry ronnie and Exonn Valdez Flex here is astonishing.

Oh yeah?
Using the super contrast pics eh again eh?
Lol. Wheres Kevin Horton when you need him.

[Hulkster]

Oh yeah?
Using the super contrast pics eh again eh?
Lol. Wheres Kevin Horton when you need him.

caught as usual .

thats not one of Bizzy's screens that you all claim are faked.

like I said, nuthuggers love to claim ALL 99 stuff is faked, just because they can't deal with the fact that it is so much better than dorian.

 

[Shockwave]

caught as usual .

thats not one of Bizzy's screens that you all claim are faked.

like I said, nuthuggers love to claim ALL 99 stuff is faked, just because they can't deal with the fact that it is so much better than dorian.

 

I dont give a shit who's it is, you fuckhead, the colors are so far off you can barely see the competitors. yeah, compare it to the any of the 99 vids, definatley legit, you tard.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Really? Because he supposedly meets the criteria better? When about 90% of the criteria is subjective?

90% is subjective  first of all you don't even know the criteria second you're wrong once again. either one guy has high calves or he doesn't , either one guy had oddly shaped abdominals or he doesn't , either a guy is holding a film of water or he's not , either a guy can effectively hold a mandatory pose or he can't , either a guy has small hips and joints or he don't , go learn how contests are judged then come back and I'll entertain your point of view

[NarcissisticDeity]

don't be so sure.

ronnie was so ripped in 99 it wasn't even funny.

dorian never looked this dry in a side chest shot. ever.

the contrast between super ripped and dry ronnie and Exonn Valdez Flex here is astonishing.

Side chest is all Yates the epitome of conditioned mass

[IceCold]

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sorry Ronnie

[Hulkster]

sorry dorian.