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those of you with kids.. re physical discipline?
« on: April 29, 2010, 10:13:07 PM »
what is your opinion of physical discipline?

i dont have kids yet but can see myself giving a good brain duster when they do something really stupid, although im not fond of the epic beatdowns some of the parents apply when ive caught their kids stealing candy and drink in my stores.  thoughts on this?  i really cant stand the idea that kids dont need a wake up call every once in a while.  i can say with complete honesty that i prolly deserved a few ass whoopings when i was a kid.. would have kept me out of a doing a lot of dumb shit.

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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2010, 03:07:53 AM »
what is your opinion of physical discipline?

i dont have kids yet but can see myself giving a good brain duster when they do something really stupid, although im not fond of the epic beatdowns some of the parents apply when ive caught their kids stealing candy and drink in my stores.  thoughts on this?  i really cant stand the idea that kids dont need a wake up call every once in a while.  i can say with complete honesty that i prolly deserved a few ass whoopings when i was a kid.. would have kept me out of a doing a lot of dumb shit.

now this is my opinion,
No noone should beat down their kid. A smack on the ass, HELL YES. If I caught my little one stealing (she knows you have to pay for everything) I'd grab her arm very hard. Explain why it is wrong and we got home, a spanking and NO TOYS or anything for a few days. Yes kids need a wake up call. IMO parents are to soft on their kids. I help in my daughters pre-k class room once a month. Some of the kids are fucking awful. 2 had to be taken out of the school because nothing worked (no they didn't have ADD or any other disorder) One of those kids used to bite teachers and hit other kids. The parent never believed the teachers saying she never acts like that at home. One day she caught me in the parking lot and asked me. I said Ill be honest with you. She does bite and hit. Teachers tried to explain to her why it was not okay and to use words (the kid was 5).
My father would beat my ass if I acted up, I was afraid of him if I did something stupid, hence I learned quickly. Before I did alot of dumb things, I thought what are gonna be my consequences when I get home, pretty much stopped me from doing the stupid shit.


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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2010, 03:29:32 AM »
I am a classic excample of how early child life can effect your adult life, my original parents were extremly bad parents, bad to the point that I had to be taken of them since they left me alone in the apartment for 2 weeks and I was only 3 years old, now this may sound cruel but a child does not die if it has only crackers and water to drink for 2 weeks time.
But the damage is done very early, I will never trust anybody apart from people I know very long and the once I have tested numberous times, the trust issue is heavy and always on my mind and is something that I will have until I die and I talked with specialists about this and their believe is that trust is build at a very early stage, when you are baby and you cry and somebody comes and looks after you, you start learning trust as in I have something and somebody comes to help me or somebody comes to give me attention.
Obviously there was nobody for me hence the trust issue.

So I would be extremly careful how to discipline my children since it could have a dramatic effect in later years.

There is a huge difference between corporal punishment and a small smack on the back of the head or a clip around the ears.
Have a look what wolf packs are doing, they have a very complex set of rules, do's and dont's - and also a very complex leader structure.
If you missbehave you can be sure that the pack and especially the leading alpha female will make sure you understand not to do it again.

To the untrained eye it looks like they are just dishing out pain, but I have seen this many times in the zoo I worked they never just go out to kick another lesser pack members ass, its all about rules, you break them you get bitten, not hard but hard enough so you understand - its like setting a line in the sand, if you cross this you can expect concequenses.

I think there is still value in teaching kids physical boundries, as in if you do this you can get hurt - I am completly agains the hippie rules that you cannot touch your kids in any way or form, I think parents should be able to use physical force as the last resourt.

One thing I HATE with a passion is these hippie liberal asshole parents that say: I am my childs best friend... BULLSHIT!! you are not his/her best friend you are taking on the role as a teacher, your child HAS to rescpect you as a higher member of the family, at NO time should the child feel it is running the family.

But the line is very very thin and any parent is walking on thin ice, since I am becoming a father soon this part how to discipline your child has been heavy on my mind.

most people don't understand the psycology of a child, they don't think of me and other people and I have to fit in, childrens world revolves around them they always think they are the middle point of this world, they learn much later that this is not the case.
So it is near impossible to explain to a child that it isn't their fault that mother and father are breaking up - they always feel they have some sort of guilt in that part.
Children take anything said by adults 100% - so for excample if you tell a child its ugly or stupid it will believe it and take these believes with them way into their adult life.



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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2010, 03:32:54 AM »
 I don't think it does any good to beat kids. It's a lazy, crude and uncivilized way to discipline them.

 It's better to just use punishments and rewards. Beating them really fucks up their head and puts a lot of unhealthy fear into them.

 Beating kids is for trashy parents and assholes.

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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2010, 03:38:30 AM »
I don't agree hiting... but pulling sideburns or whiping on the ass don't hurt at all... there has to be consequenses, a kid has to know that parents are the ultimate authority, and that's it.

*waiting super liberal scum fucks to exaggarate my claims and totally miss the point  ::)*

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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2010, 04:57:10 AM »
Xerxes, words cannot discribe how sorry I am they did that to you. I just cant understand why on gods green earth a parent could just leave a child alone. Your story just breaks my heart on so many levels :'(

Beating kids nope not a great idea. Smack on the ass is okay in my book.

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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2010, 05:17:23 AM »
Xerxes, words cannot discribe how sorry I am they did that to you. I just cant understand why on gods green earth a parent could just leave a child alone. Your story just breaks my heart on so many levels :'(

Beating kids nope not a great idea. Smack on the ass is okay in my book.


wait WOOot, what did I miss  :o

i feel sory for the man allready  :-\

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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2010, 05:18:25 AM »
wait WOOot, what did I miss  :o

i feel sory for the man allready  :-\

ooops meant Stark...see what happens when you do cardio in the early am without food..ugh

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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2010, 05:24:43 AM »
ooops meant Stark...see what happens when you do cardio in the early am without food..ugh

had some wet dreams of the man... haha, I have to tell xerxes about this  :P

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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2010, 05:27:01 AM »
Xerxes, words cannot discribe how sorry I am they did that to you. I just cant understand why on gods green earth a parent could just leave a child alone. Your story just breaks my heart on so many levels :'(

Beating kids nope not a great idea. Smack on the ass is okay in my book.


did you mean me?

If so I have to be honest and I dont want to give my parents too much credit, yes I am fully aware that they did very very wrong but they had to battle huge demons themself and I am not going into detail what these were.

What was interesting was that when I was 25 or so I made an attempt to track down my mother, I mainly used the internet to get a set of phone numbers and just spend all day to call them and finally I get to part of my family who could remember me, they gave me other phone numbers and things went on from there.

When I finally had the number of my mother I was shaking, I tend to have a great interest in how I react to certain things and try to observe myself, so I called her and she picked up the phone.

The weird thing was, it was like talking to an old friend which you haven't heard for ages, the voice was very familar and despite the fact that she went straight away into the defensive mode without me accusing here in any way it was interesting to chat with her.
I gave her my phone number and my details but she never called back.

I later found out that (these are the things that you don't know unless you have kids) an unborn baby accociates the voice it can here when it is still in the belly that is usually the first thing can hear.
My father died while he gave me up for adoption I still have letters from him and it broke his heart that I wasn't calling him daddy anymore at that stage, was probably the hardest thing he had to do in his life.

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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2010, 05:29:52 AM »
Smacking is not bad for the kids.

I got smacked as a kid with hands/belts/slippers/sticks etc as it was the only thing that worked.

I was only hit around the back of legs or the butt. There is a total difference between getting smacked as a punishment and an adult physically beating up a child.

Also for very young kids who do dangerous things a short sharp slap will get the message through faster than trying to explain to a 2 year olf why they should not play with knives/fire/dogshit etc

Once I was smacked and punished it was all forgotten about in my house.

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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2010, 05:34:18 AM »
but to get back at the topic (which I naturaly find very intersting) what ever you do with your child will have a huge impact in the later life of that child, I can accept that I will never be a person that trust others or trust anything and that is not something you can learn - and I will always be happiest when I am alone or with somebody I truly love.
Speaking of love, I also have my doubts If I really am capable of love - I adore my wife and I tend to set myself reminders where I daydream and rollplay in my head what I would feel if something would happen to her, but at times I am scared that I am actually not capable of fully 100% love.
Whenever we are talking about my past with my wife she starts crying which was puzzling to me at first because for me this is something that has not happend to me since I cannot remember anything apart from very vague flashes.

I will have to be very careful with my child which is the part that scares me the most I don;t want to pass on old problems, its too later for me and I can life with that.

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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2010, 06:11:33 AM »
I don't think it does any good to beat kids. It's a lazy, crude and uncivilized way to discipline them.

 It's better to just use punishments and rewards. Beating them really fucks up their head and puts a lot of unhealthy fear into them.

 Beating kids is for trashy parents and assholes.

 Do you have kids? There is nothing wrong at all with a smack on the ass..it is not a beating. Timeout and taking shit away doesn't work with everyone; however, the threat of a paddle to the ass straightens them up instantly.

 As a parent, there is a line you dare not cross when physically disciplining your child and you know what it is. Our parents, grandparent and further back got their asses whipped and they turned out fine. It is good for kids to have a little fear of their parent's punishing them WHEN THEY STEP OUT OF LINE and do not listen after being told once. My boys love me to death, but they know when its time to straighten up as well.

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2010, 06:17:51 AM »
It's lazy. Someone who isn't smart enough to explain things to kids (little people) without violence is probably too stupid to reproduce. A little swat is fine when they're little but beating doesn't make people smarter.

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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2010, 06:35:22 AM »
now this is my opinion,
No noone should beat down their kid. A smack on the ass, HELL YES. If I caught my little one stealing (she knows you have to pay for everything) I'd grab her arm very hard.

You should do a Randleplex on her when she misbehaves, she'll never forget that.
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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2010, 06:51:09 AM »
I got my ass beat quite frequently as a kid for no reason it effects your whole life I had a huge strong father so I started weight training to defend myself end of story.

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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2010, 06:55:24 AM »
I spank my daughter occasionally but nothing more than a pop on her rear end. When time out doesn't work, this does. She's spoiled alot by both sets of her grandparents and they let her get away with alot- me and my wife don't, so we keep her in check. I refuse to raise my young daughter to be a spoiled, ill-mannered, disrespectful child like I see often in society. I grew up being taught respecting my parents and elders and my children will too.

I wasn't a bad kid but I got spankings growing up and I needed them. I deserved all of them and after I received the spankings I knew not to do the negative action again.

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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2010, 07:02:47 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2010, 08:07:54 AM »
roundhouse to the face.
lol! 
I really believe most of the physical interventions (spanking, hitting, etc) tends to be because we are impatient and don't want to take the time to explain to them what is they are doing is wrong, etc.  I myself have noticed this with my children.  Being patient with them (most of the time  ;D) works better than physical discipline.
I also think it depends on the age.  We tend to think of kids as little adults, yet their minds work in a completely different manner than ours.  Sometimes a stern voice of NO, followed by distractions works best.

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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2010, 08:13:20 AM »
Smacking is not bad for the kids.

I got smacked as a kid with hands/belts/slippers/sticks etc as it was the only thing that worked.

I was only hit around the back of legs or the butt. There is a total difference between getting smacked as a punishment and an adult physically beating up a child.

Also for very young kids who do dangerous things a short sharp slap will get the message through faster than trying to explain to a 2 year olf why they should not play with knives/fire/dogshit etc

Once I was smacked and punished it was all forgotten about in my house.
Exactly. I got smacked when I missbehaved as a kid too and I knew that if I did it again I would get smacked again. Now these fucking kids tell their parents to fuck off and they threaten to call the cops / child services if you threaten to disapline them with a smack.

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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2010, 08:25:53 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2010, 08:29:55 AM »
a smack on the ass - you gotta do it from time to time.  once you establish yourself as the boss and the kid knows there is stability, boundaries, etc... you'll be able to get by with positive reinforcement 99% of the time.  They'll do the right thing becase they want the praise.

still, there are times when every kid will be in brat mode, where a smack on the butt will embarass and belittle them more than anything else - "Do you need a spanking in front of everyone here?" will usually pull them out of wild mode in a public place.

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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2010, 08:30:16 AM »
dont talk to parents about parenting, especially not mothers! boy are they deluded, confused, and delusional!!

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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2010, 09:15:37 AM »
I dont beleive in beating but when mine were small, I did whip thier butts a few times. After about 8 or so I never had to do it again so I am a firm beleiver in setting the pace at a early age so they respect you and you have an easier time later. All I have to do now is raise my voice and it works. Key is, explain what your doing it for and let them know what your about to do, and give about 2 hard pops to the butt. About 30 minutes later, they will be hugging your neck again.
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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2010, 12:17:17 PM »
lol! 
I really believe most of the physical interventions (spanking, hitting, etc) tends to be because we are impatient and don't want to take the time to explain to them what is they are doing is wrong, etc.  I myself have noticed this with my children.  Being patient with them (most of the time  ;D) works better than physical discipline.
I also think it depends on the age.  We tend to think of kids as little adults, yet their minds work in a completely different manner than ours.  Sometimes a stern voice of NO, followed by distractions works best.


"Distractions" LOL hilarious i see these parents sitting there arguing back and forth with a 3 YO and think WTF you have lost all authority now trying to reason shit out with a little spoiled 3 year old LOL.  Screw that let them know real early YOU make the decisions otherwise your life will be hell.  Unless you like a 3 YO running the house (which I see all the time) and you being thier bitch.


My Mom always told me "this is not a democracy and if I dont like it, dont let the door hit me on the ass on the way out"  truthfully kids need to know you are a strong leader to feel secure.  Let them do what they want, manipulate you, throw fits, demand stuff and its you thats the fool.  A decent beat down when necessary will not scar them for life LOL.