True Adonis - If a calorie is a calorie

[Howard]

i think the whole problem with the calorie is a calorie debate is not if it works- a calorie deficit will produce weight loss- but what kind of 'physique' someone who grazes on junk food eating a total of say 1700 calories will have as compared to the physique of someone consuming an ideal macronutrient ratio of proteins/carbs/fat with enough protein to illicit an anabolic state conducive to hypertrophy eating the same amount of calories as the grazer.

does a calorie deficit produce weight loss? absolutely.

will you have abs, 14 inch arms and look like you spend more time doing pilates than lifting weight? absolutely.

wavelength and anyone else who subscribes to this 'theory'- show me one pic, just one pic of someone who is say a true sub 5- 6% and weighs over say 200 pounds and follows your principles- if it helps you he can be juiced out his ass on  2+g of test a week and GH too... you can't- do you know why- your diet has no anabolic environment. yeah, you'll be lean, and you'll look like a figure skater. congrats on that.

adonis- come on- show us all what the 'adonis principles has built.

You are correct, but for most folks, a lean, hard albiet smaller sized physique is the goal

[che]

Counting calories sucks.

[wavelength]

i think the whole problem with the calorie is a calorie debate is not if it works- a calorie deficit will produce weight loss- but what kind of 'physique' someone who grazes on junk food eating a total of say 1700 calories will have as compared to the physique of someone consuming an ideal macronutrient ratio of proteins/carbs/fat with enough protein to illicit an anabolic state conducive to hypertrophy eating the same amount of calories as the grazer.

does a calorie deficit produce weight loss? absolutely.

will you have abs, 14 inch arms and look like you spend more time doing pilates than lifting weight? absolutely.

wavelength and anyone else who subscribes to this 'theory'- show me one pic, just one pic of someone who is say a true sub 5- 6% and weighs over say 200 pounds and follows your principles- if it helps you he can be juiced out his ass on  2+g of test a week and GH too... you can't- do you know why- your diet has no anabolic environment. yeah, you'll be lean, and you'll look like a figure skater. congrats on that.

adonis- come on- show us all what the 'adonis principles has built.

This is a bodybuilding board, I'm always talking about (close to) optimal body composition. I gained muscle mass on my last cut. My total weight is low due to injuries.

The anabolic environment is created by total calories, adequate protein and heavy weight training.

[che]

This is a bodybuilding board, I'm always talking about (close to) optimal body composition. I gained muscle mass on my last cut. My total weight is low due to injuries.

The anabolic environment is created by total calories, adequate protein and heavy weight training.

Explain : ''I agree. I already had to give up a lot of muscle for that condition.''

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=230327.msg3243652#msg3243652

[wavelength]

Explain : ''I agree. I already had to give up a lot of muscle for that condition.''

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=230327.msg3243652#msg3243652

That was not my last diet. Like everyone, I did alot of things wrong in the past.

[che]

That was not my last diet. Like everyone, I did alot of things wrong in the past.

I like you Wave  but don't lie to me  man , you were following the Adonis principles and you were proud of it.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=222371.100

[affeman]

i think the whole problem with the calorie is a calorie debate is not if it works- a calorie deficit will produce weight loss- but what kind of 'physique' someone who grazes on junk food eating a total of say 1700 calories will have as compared to the physique of someone consuming an ideal macronutrient ratio of proteins/carbs/fat with enough protein to illicit an anabolic state conducive to hypertrophy eating the same amount of calories as the grazer.

does a calorie deficit produce weight loss? absolutely.

will you have abs, 14 inch arms and look like you spend more time doing pilates than lifting weight? absolutely.

wavelength and anyone else who subscribes to this 'theory'- show me one pic, just one pic of someone who is say a true sub 5- 6% and weighs over say 200 pounds and follows your principles- if it helps you he can be juiced out his ass on  2+g of test a week and GH too... you can't- do you know why- your diet has no anabolic environment. yeah, you'll be lean, and you'll look like a figure skater. congrats on that.

adonis- come on- show us all what the 'adonis principles has built.

Very good post!

[Coach is Back!]

Just wow what? It's the truth.

Yeah, it's the truth that you can lose weight on a calorie controlled diet, something people have known about since the stone age. But for bodybuilding it serves no purpose.

[tbombz]

This is a bodybuilding board, I'm always talking about (close to) optimal body composition. I gained muscle mass on my last cut. My total weight is low due to injuries.

The anabolic environment is created by total calories, adequate protein and heavy weight training.

i really wouldnt even bother any mmore... at least not with the people who who know arent going to change their minds..

id just say " basic physics" and leave it at that

[El Diablo Blanco]

If a calorie is a calorie, then couldn't you just drink 10 gallons of sugar laden gatorade a day and get ripped?

Wavelength.  I don't mean anorexic I haven't touched food in a year ripped, but solid pumped minimal muscle loss ripped.

[Coach is Back!]

i really wouldnt even bother any mmore... at least not with the people who who know arent going to change their minds..

id just say " basic physics" and leave it at that

No because most of us have tried it all, studied it before you were even a thought in your daddy's pants and have learned from the best.

I thought this quote is very fitting for you know-it-all lunk heads......

"Remember, you can't believe everything you read and you shouldn't read only what you believe" - Mike Boyle

[wavelength]

I like you Wave  but don't lie to me  man , you were following the Adonis principles and you were proud of it.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=222371.100

LOL, what exactly am I lying about?
I was talking about my last diet, which was 2009, where I gained muscle mass on the cut.

The diet before (in 2008) was the first where I tried the simple approach and I was still experimenting. Before that I tried just about any method out there.

[Devon97]

"IF A CALORIE IS A CALORIE"

a Calorie may be a calorie but All Calories are NOT created equal!

[tbombz]

If a calorie is a calorie, then couldn't you just drink 10 gallons of sugar laden gatorade a day and get ripped?

Wavelength.  I don't mean anorexic I haven't touched food in a year ripped, but solid pumped minimal muscle loss ripped.

would an all gatorade diet meet basic essential amino acid and essential fatty acid requirements? no. does wavelength's/ta's diet require you to meet those needs? yes.

sorry buddy...

[wavelength]

Yeah, it's the truth that you can lose weight on a calorie controlled diet, something people have known about since the stone age. But for bodybuilding it serves no purpose.

The post you quoted "just wow" doesn't talk about losing weight.

[El Diablo Blanco]

would an all gatorade diet meet basic essential amino acid and essential fatty acid requirements? no. does wavelength's/ta's diet require you to meet those needs? yes.

sorry buddy...

So they eat some form of protein but aren't sure what the form is.  I guess they figure if they eat partial proteins at different times throughout the day that by the time they go to sleep that they would magically for complete proteins for digestion.

By the way eating a low amount of calories doesn't mean you'd get ripped.  Just look at starving africans with the bloated bellies.

[tbombz]

So they eat some form of protein but aren't sure what the form is.  I guess they figure if they eat partial proteins at different times throughout the day that by the time they go to sleep that they would magically for complete proteins for digestion.

By the way eating a low amount of calories doesn't mean you'd get ripped.  Just look at starving africans with the bloated bellies.

sounds like your confused as to what wavelength's diet is all about. why dont you look it up. he set up requirements that all ESSENTIAL amino acids and fatty acid requirements owuld be met.

that leaves zero room for error. 

[Howard]

"IF A CALORIE IS A CALORIE"

a Calorie may be a calorie but All Calories are NOT created equal!

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, the it is a duck...sooooo if you see waddling calorie quacking,,,,

[tbombz]

How to lose fat, and not muscle
the fool proof guide


-eat enough essential amino acids to sustain lean body mass, and have a caloric defecit.

  a)it doesnt matter where the calories come from (besides those that must come from protein in order to meet the essential needs.

  b)health and body composition are two different things.

[che]

LOL, what exactly am I lying about?
I was talking about my last diet, which was 2009, where I gained muscle mass on the cut.

The diet before (in 2008) was the first where I tried the simple approach and I was still experimenting. Before that I tried just about any method out there.

So in 2008 you were following the Adonis principles ,counting calories, eating burgers ,icecream ,wine, cookies ..................and you lost a lot of muscles.
What did you do different in 2009 ?

[che]

How to lose fat, and not muscle
the fool proof guide


-eat enough essential amino acids to sustain lean body mass, and have a caloric defecit.

  a)it doesnt matter where the calories come from (besides those that must come from protein in order to meet the essential needs.

  b)health and body composition are two different things.

Wrong

[tbombz]

Wrong

its absolutely undeniably 100% accurate, completely proven by science and infallible assuming the universe is closed under physics.      

[che]

its absolutely undeniably 100% accurate, completely proven by science and infallible assuming the universe is closed under physics.      

Can I just drink whey protein as the only source of aminoacids .

[tbombz]

Can I just drink whey protein as the only source of aminoacids .

sure you can! you could diet on whey protein only. just a few scoops per day is all you would need. oud get ripped in no time!!! id just advise you to eat some vegetables along with it, and also take some fish oil...   the vegetables will help keep your body healthy and balance the PH of the whey... the fish oil to meet essential fatty acid requirements.

[wavelength]

So in 2008 you were following the Adonis principles ,counting calories, eating burgers ,icecream ,wine, cookies ..................and you lost a lot of muscles.
What did you do different in 2009 ?

I can't remember anymore why I lost (or thought I lost) muscle mass in 2008. I have to admit that I don't remember that post at all. Maybe my rate of weight loss was too high in the beginning.

But I know I gained strength on my last cut which was very slow. I don't claim that the principles work better than any other BB diet, since any other BB diet follows them anyway.