BP's "Oil Dome" solution fails... TX braces for oil's arrival to coastline

[240 is Back]

A ‘new level’ of disaster: BP’s 70-ton oil containment dome floats, no ‘plan B’

Concern grew Sunday that the US Gulf coast is facing a whole new level of environmental disaster after the best short-term fix for a massive oil spill ran into serious trouble.

BP's giant containment box lay idle on the seabed as engineers furiously tried to figure out how to stop it clogging with ice crystals.

The British energy giant, which owns the lion's share of the leaking oil and has accepted responsibility for the clean-up, has tried to banish the notion that the dome is a "silver bullet" to end the crisis.

But should efforts fail to make the giant funnel system effective, there is no solid plan B to prevent potentially tens of millions of gallons of crude from causing one of the worst ever environmental catastrophes

U.S. Gulf oil spill spreads west toward Texas

[Bindare_Dundat]

What a nightmare. So now what, call Superman?

[Soul Crusher]

I'm going to blame obama. 

Bush got blamed for katrina and we are fast approaching the time time for equal treatment.

[Hugo Chavez]

I'm going to blame obama. 

Bush got blamed for katrina and we are fast approaching the time time for equal treatment.

hahahaha... how shocking ...   3333, we all knew you would blame obama from day 1.

[Soul Crusher]

Why not right?  Bush got treated the same way too.

[Hugo Chavez]

Why not right?  Bush got treated the same way too.

oh we both know you wouldn't need to justify it with Bush   We all knew you would blame him from day 1. 

Not sure but is your point to defend Bush now?

[Soul Crusher]

In alls eriousness, I dont blame obama for the oil thing and though the lefts' blaming Bush for Katrina was one of the lowest things I ever saw. 

Real dirtbag shit. 

[Hugo Chavez]

In alls eriousness, I dont blame obama for the oil thing and though the lefts' blaming Bush for Katrina was one of the lowest things I ever saw.  

Real dirtbag shit.  

are you talking about some of the CT's around Katrina?  Like that Katrina was manipulated by the government?  There are actually the same level of CT stuff going on from the right over this oil rig catastrophe.  Even saw a Fox News clip where they were dabbling in conspiracy around the rig explosion.  I might be wrong but I thought you made a post with insinuations too.

[Soul Crusher]

There is a big difference between saying there is a CT befrehand and saying someone will try to capitilize off a tradgedy after the fact. 

As for Katrina - blaming Bush was the height of liberal kookery. 

Natual disasters happen, accidents happen, that's life.   

[Hugo Chavez]

There is a big difference between saying there is a CT befrehand and saying someone will try to capitilize off a tradgedy after the fact. 

As for Katrina - blaming Bush was the height of liberal kookery. 

Natual disasters happen, accidents happen, that's life.   

I don't know what part you're talking about around Katrina?  Blaming him for his response or blaming him for being behind it?  Both accusations happened. 

Also if you're blaming the conspiracy theorists for suggesting the government had a hand in the actual hurricane, then I have to say you really can't blame it all on liberals. "Conspiracy theorists" don't really have a political affiliation.  They really do come from all sides.  Seriously, CTr's come from all walks, they're not just libs.  Coasttocoastam even dabbled in this a bit and they're almost entirely marketed on rightwing radio stations.

[Soul Crusher]

Everything around Katrina was what it was:

1.  A massive natural disaster the likes of which had not been seen in decades.

2.  an incompetent Mayor and Governor.

3.  Parasites on the N.O. pd who could and would not do their jobs and also looted the joint.  

4.  A population of lazy, unprepared, free-loading, bums looking to loot the joint.

5.  Old infrastructure.

6.  Terrible terrain and landscape for that type of hurricane.

7.  Incompetent Federal Govt.    

 

[Hugo Chavez]

Everything around Katrina was what it was:

1.  A massive natural disaster the likes of which had not been seen in decades.

2.  an incompetent Mayor and Governor.

3.  Parasites on the N.O. pd who could and would not do their jobs and also looted the joint. 

4.  A population of lazy, unprepared, free-loading, bums looking to loot the joint.

5.  Old infrastructure.

6.  Terrible terrain and landscape for that type of hurricane.

7.  Incompetent Federal Govt.     

so you're talking about the people who blamed Bush for his response to Katrina.... got it...

So if that's it, then the equivalent would be that you are disappointed with Obama's response?  That you wanted Obama to do more?

[Soul Crusher]

I realize and understand that the Federal Govt is an incompetent expensive mess of fools and thieves.  I really dont expect Obama to be able to do anything but screw up an already bad situation.  So I will give him a pass on this. 

I dont need to see him in a helicopter flying over the site as if that is doing anything. 

Same as Katrina - what did people expect Bush to do?  Seriously, did they want him flying in the military from Day 1? 

And where was the blame for that pofs mayor Nagin?

 

[Hugo Chavez]

I realize and understand that the Federal Govt is an incompetent expensive mess of fools and thieves.  I really dont expect Obama to be able to do anything but screw up an already bad situation.  So I will give him a pass on this.  

I dont need to see him in a helicopter flying over the site as if that is doing anything.  

Same as Katrina - what did people expect Bush to do?  Seriously, did they want him flying in the military from Day 1?  

And where was the blame for that pofs mayor Nagin?

  

why are you continuously avoiding my questions?  It seems like each response is a slight run around of what I asked?  I'm not even attacking you on this so I don't know why you would avoid direct answers?  maybe it's the lawyer in you

Yes, the gov is incompetent.  But on something like this would you like to see Obama order something done?  I mean you can't fuck this up worse than it already is.  As bad as the government is, I'm sure even they wouldn't manage on increasing the oil flow lol...

Again, the only reason I'm asking is that you equated this to what the left did which suggests placing the same blame on Obama.  So it's either you're happy with Obama for not doing enough like Bush did or you're blaming Obama for the same reasons the left blamed Bush.  I'm just trying to get it.






Lets also not to forget the all famous "National Security."  The government, and mostly republicans, have done some massive shit in the name of national security.  One could easily argue losing a major American city falls under National Security.  One could also argue the same about all the industry threatened by this oil spill.  Now I'm with you, I don't usually want the federal government fucking with our shit, but when it comes to shit that threatens to destroy vast sections of the country and or industry over multiple states, well fucking a man...  I'd rather see them spend the money on that than 80 percent of what they waste our tax dollars on.  major epic shit that threatens multiple states, yea, National fucking Interest bigtime.  That's way more in the national interest than saving American banana companies from a socialist country lol....

[Soul Crusher]

Hugo - what I am saying is that i am not a child and have some belief that all Obama, Bush, or anyone has to do is press a magic buttor or wave a wand to fix these things in a matter of hours.   

I am not blaming him or praising him on this. 

As far as Katrina goes, if I remember correctly, didnt the mayor and gov down there said they had it under control for the evacuation before the hurricane hit? 

Also, people were warned to leave and did not and I am supposed to be psised off at Bush for not rescuing them fast enough?  I dont think so. 

[phreak]

Hugo - what I am saying is that i am not a child and have some belief that all Obama, Bush, or anyone has to do is press a magic buttor or wave a wand to fix these things in a matter of hours.    

I am not blaming him or praising him on this.  

I agree.

Also, people were warned to leave and did not and I am supposed to be psised off at Bush for not rescuing them fast enough?  I dont think so.  

Agreed as well. If people wanted to stay: fine. But then they are responsible for everything that follows from that decision.

[phreak]

Let's see the free market handle this: BP should pay for all the clean-up, and all damage to all people and industries affected. Even if that means that BP goes bankrupt. Are they too big to fail?

[Hugo Chavez]

Hugo - what I am saying is that i am not a child and have some belief that all Obama, Bush, or anyone has to do is press a magic buttor or wave a wand to fix these things in a matter of hours.   

I am not blaming him or praising him on this. 

As far as Katrina goes, if I remember correctly, didnt the mayor and gov down there said they had it under control for the evacuation before the hurricane hit? 

Also, people were warned to leave and did not and I am supposed to be psised off at Bush for not rescuing them fast enough?  I dont think so. 

this is another run around.  3333, just answer my questions, they are not hard or pressing questions and I'm not setting you up. 

You say you're not blaming him, but that's what you did in trying to make a point.  Now as far as I see, you have two viable options here.  One is blaming him for not doing enough like Bush was blamed for.  If you do not blame him for this, then you must be siding with Obama and should praise him for having a low profile response just like Bush did.  Yet I have not heard you praise Obama for this and yet that is the description of Obama in this case.  His response is every bit as exciting as Bush's... pretty much nothing.  So fucking A, are you happy about that or are you against that?  Just fucking say it, because from what you're saying, you should be praising Obama on his nothing response.

[Soul Crusher]

People were told:

1.  Leave  - they were warned almost a week in advance.  

2.  If you were going to stay - have at least 72 hours or 5 days worth of provisions on hand.  If you look at the response from the Feds, had the people who stayed followed that, they would have been ok.  


But thats' not what happened.  Instead, we had this crap:

[Soul Crusher]

this is another run around.  3333, just answer my questions, they are not hard or pressing questions and I'm not setting you up. 

You say you're not blaming him, but that's what you did in trying to make a point.  Now as far as I see, you have two viable options here.  One is blaming him for not doing enough like Bush was blamed for.  If you do not blame him for this, then you must be siding with Obama and should praise him for having a low profile response just like Bush did.  Yet I have not heard you praise Obama for this and yet that is the description of Obama in this case.  His response is every bit as exciting as Bush's... pretty much nothing.  So fucking A, are you happy about that or are you against that?  Just fucking say it, because from what you're saying, you should be praising Obama on his nothing response.

I am neutral.  On balance I would say at least he is not in a copter doing 360's over the place. 

[Hugo Chavez]

Let's see the free market handle this: BP should pay for all the clean-up, and all damage to all people and industries affected. Even if that means that BP goes bankrupt. Are they too big to fail?

well one thing is for sure, BP IS big enough to pay for all the industry lost and the people effected and still be back on their feet making billions per quarter in a few years.  But most likely they will not have to do that.  Most likely people will be fucked with no recourse to act against BP.  Vast amounts of wildlife will die and they will keep on doing what they do...  While 400 year old sea turtles wash up on shore dead, BP will go on...

[phreak]

well one thing is for sure, BP IS big enough to pay for all the industry lost and the people effected and still be back on their feet making billions per quarter in a few years.  But most likely they will not have to do that.  Most likely people will be fucked with no recourse to act against BP.  Vast amounts of wildlife will die and they will keep on doing what they do...  While 400 year old sea turtles wash up on shore dead, BP will go on...

Unfortunate, but true. A few donations here and there, and they will get immunity from having to pay for all of it. If they don't have a loophole in their current contract already.

[Hugo Chavez]

I am neutral.  On balance I would say at least he is not in a copter doing 360's over the place.  

NO NO homie...  You opened this can of worms.  I didn't open it, you did.  By what you opened up, you should be praising Obama for not doing anything.  Why in the hell would you agree with Bush's response and blame Obama for the same nothing?  And then when called out on it, say you're neutral?  LOL, your opinion has been everything but neutral so don't even pull that bs lol...  I love ya 3333, but gotta call you on this?


And I still have my national security question......

[Hugo Chavez]

Unfortunate, but true. A few donations here and there, and they will get immunity from having to pay for all of it. If they don't have a loophole in their current contract already.

currently they are limited to paying a very small fraction of what may quickly become the biggest man made disaster to hit America.  Some are already calling it that.  Under the current situation, CEO's of BP will probably still get their fat ass bonuses while American fisherman lose their asses.

[phreak]

currently they are limited to paying a very small fraction of what may quickly become the biggest man made disaster to hit America.  Some are already calling it that.  Under the current situation, CEO's of BP will probably still get their fat ass bonuses while American fisherman lose their asses.

Okay. Can't say I'm surprised.