Crime in Arizona has declined even as illegal immigration has increased

[tonymctones]

You, BerzerkFury, and the Arizona government made the accusation.  The burden of proof is on you.

LOL no no no, bud I said I dont know, I said we need more info...YOU HAVE MADE MULTIPLE ASSERTIONS IN THIS THREAD THAT ARE INNACCURATE AND UNFOUNDED...

[loco]

Doesn't look like there are reliable statistics one way or the other.  Here is an excerpt from an article that says eleven percent of the prison population in Arizona consists of illegals.  That's pretty significant and huge drain on taxpayer resources.  


In 2004, the year when the data was most recently available, 12.4 percent of California prisoners were illegal immigrants, as compared with an estimated 6.9 percent of the state population. In Arizona, 11.1 percent of the prison population was undocumented, compared with 7 percent of the overall state population. In Texas, the percentage was also slightly higher in the prisons than it was statewide.

A Government Accountability Office study from 2005 also found that most illegal immigrant arrests were happening in California, Texas and Arizona. The study sampled a prison population of more than 55,000 illegal immigrants, and found that 80 percent of all the arrests were in those three states.

But overall, it's hard to say that illegal immigrants have triggered a crime explosion in any of these states, though the recent killing of Arizona rancher Robert Krentz by a suspected illegal immigrant has served as a rallying cry for advocates of tougher enforcement.

FBI statistics show California and Texas had a violent crime average slightly higher than the national average 2008, while Arizona's average was slightly lower.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/29/border-states-dealing-illegal-immigrant-crime-data-suggests/

Beach Bum,

What are illegal immigrants doing in prison?  Why don't they get deported?

By the way, Arizona rancher Robert Krentz was killed by a Mexican drug cartel, not by Arizona illegal residents.

[loco]

LOL no no no, bud I said I dont know, I said we need more info...YOU HAVE MADE MULTIPLE ASSERTIONS IN THIS THREAD THAT ARE INNACCURATE AND UNFOUNDED...

So why even bring up the the stats only go up to 2008?

So according to you, I "HAVE MADE MULTIPLE ASSERTIONS IN THIS THREAD THAT ARE INNACCURATE AND UNFOUNDED"  yet you don't say which ones and why.  You have been doing this to me on every discussion having to do with this law.  You say I'm wrong, but don't say how.  You say I'm misleading, but you won't say how.  Can you be more specific?

[Dos Equis]

Beach Bum,

What are illegal immigrants doing in prison?  Why don't they get deported?

By the way, Arizona rancher Robert Krentz was killed by a Mexican drug cartel, not by Arizona illegal residents.

Good question lolo.    I think they do get deported after they complete their sentences.  I understand the rationale behind locking up illegals who commit other crimes in this country.

What we're doing is not unusual.  We have three American citizens who have been held by Iran for the last nine months.  

[tonymctones]

So why even bring up the the stats only go up to 2008?

So according to you, I "HAVE MADE MULTIPLE ASSERTIONS IN THIS THREAD THAT ARE INNACCURATE AND UNFOUNDED"  yet you don't say which ones and why.  You have been doing this to me on every discussion having to do with this law.  You say I'm wrong, but don't say how.  You say I'm misleading, but you won't say how.  Can you be more specific?

OMG DUDE youre like talking to a cracked out person with ADD for the love of shit...

you assert that crime has gone down actually 5 of the 8 categories in your link show crime going up over the last decade...

you assert that illegals arent responsible for violent crimes as much as arizona says...you have provided no proof of this....

[loco]

OMG DUDE youre like talking to a cracked out person with ADD for the love of shit...

you assert that crime has gone down actually 5 of the 8 categories in your link show crime going up over the last decade...

you assert that illegals arent responsible for violent crimes as much as arizona says...you have provided no proof of this....

First of all, there are 9 categories, not 8.  Which 5 of the 9 categories show crime going up over the last decade?  They all declined.  You are the one making inaccurate and unfounded assertions.

Arizona Crime Index Rates Per 100,000 Inhabitants   
       
Year    Population    Index Violent Property Murder Forcible-Rape Robbery Aggravated-assault Burglary Larceny-Theft Vehicle-Theft

2001     5,306,966   6,077.8      540.3      5,537.5      7.5      28.6     167.1    337.1      1,033.0      3,520.8      983.7
2002     5,441,125     6,575.0     554.5     5,849.8     7.1     29.6     147.0     370.8     1,085.9     3,704.0     1,059.9
2003     5,579,222     5,858.3     513.3     5,345.0     7.9     33.3   136.6     335.6     1,050.6     3,561.9     1,023.6
2004     5,739,879     5,577.7     504.4     5,073.3     7.2     33.0     134.5     329.6     991.0     3,118.7     963.5
2005     5,953,007     5,351.2     512.0     4,838.0     7.5     33.7    144.1     326.7     946.2     2,958.4     922.3
2006     6,166,318    5,128.3     501.4     4,627.9     7.5     31.5     149.6     312.7     925.3     2,813.1     889.5
2007     6,338,755    4,896.7    482.7     4,414.0     7.4     29.3     151.7     294.3     912.2     2,738.4     763.4
2008     6,500,180    4,738.0    447.0     4,291.0     6.3     25.7     149.2     265.9     868.9     2,849.5     572.6

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/azcrime.htm

[tonymctones]

LOL again loco the table only goes to 2008 so go back to 1998 and then compare...

[loco]

LOL again loco the table only goes to 2008 so go back to 1998 and then compare...

No, you asserted that 5 out of 8 categories show crime had increased in Arizona over the last decade according to the link above.  Then you accused me of making inaccurate and unfounded assertions.    

[Dos Equis]

I think a more appropriate question/inquiry is whether crimes committed by illegals has increased. 

[tonymctones]

I think a more appropriate question/inquiry is whether crimes committed by illegals has increased. 

EXACTLY i point i and others have made but loco has refused to acknowledge...

[loco]

EXACTLY i point i and others have made but loco has refused to acknowledge...

You asserted that 5 out of 8 categories show crime had increased in Arizona over the last decade according to the link above.  Then you accused me of making inaccurate and unfounded assertions.

[tonymctones]

No, you asserted that 5 out of 8 categories show crime had increased in Arizona over the last decade according to the link above.  Then you accused me of making inaccurate and unfounded assertions.    

a decade is 10 yrs brosky since your link ends at 2008 take 10yrs prior...sorry I wasnt more clear

i didnt count the index sorry again

[loco]

a decade is 10 yrs brosky since your link ends at 2008 take 10yrs prior...sorry I wasnt more clear

i didnt count the index sorry again

No problem!  

Arizona Crime Index Rates Per 100,000 Inhabitants

Year    Population    Index Violent Property Murder Forcible-Rape Robbery Aggravated-assault Burglary Larceny-Theft Vehicle-Theft

1998     4,669,000   6,575.0     577.9     5,997.0     8.1     31.1     165.2     373.6     1,209.5     3,922.4     865.1
1999     4,778,332   5,896.1     551.1     5,345.0     8.0     28.9     152.5     361.6     1,034.3     3,510.2     800.4
2000     5,130,632   5,829.5     531.7     5,297.8     7.0     30.7     146.3     347.7     1,011.6     3,444.1     842.1
2001     5,306,966   6,077.8     540.3     5,537.5     7.5     28.6     167.1     337.1     1,033.0     3,520.8     983.7
2002     5,441,125   6,575.0     554.5     5,849.8     7.1     29.6     147.0     370.8     1,085.9     3,704.0     1,059.9
2003     5,579,222   5,858.3     513.3     5,345.0     7.9     33.3     136.6     335.6     1,050.6     3,561.9     1,023.6
2004     5,739,879   5,577.7     504.4     5,073.3     7.2     33.0     134.5     329.6     991.0       3,118.7     963.5
2005     5,953,007   5,351.2     512.0     4,838.0     7.5     33.7     144.1     326.7     946.2       2,958.4     922.3
2006     6,166,318   5,128.3     501.4     4,627.9     7.5     31.5     149.6     312.7     925.3       2,813.1     889.5
2007     6,338,755   4,896.7     482.7     4,414.0     7.4     29.3     151.7     294.3     912.2       2,738.4     763.4
2008     6,500,180   4,738.0     447.0     4,291.0     6.3     25.7     149.2     265.9     868.9       2,849.5     572.6

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/azcrime.htm

[tonymctones]

sighhhhhhhh

thats going off the per 100000 inhabitants....the numbers for the total have gone up...goodness gracious...

the first set of numbers on there post those for 1998 to 2008