THE NO WORRIES(KEITH) SUPPORT THREAD!!

[trustnoone]

Keith do you still smell fat?


I guessing since it's been 3 years since you started getting in shape, you must really have dropped sum weight.


Good for you!

[Vince B]

What is happening to Keith has happened to millions of fat people. It isn't fun and it is difficult to reverse or even stop. Guys living by themselves have to eat takeaway to get reasonable meals. When you are heavy even those large meals aren't filling and you need extras. When you are training you can eat almost anything and I swear when I was teaching and running my gym at night I had to force feed myself to make any gains. That lasted for 25 years or so. Now I stay the same but if I diet I lose muscle. The body seems to like being at certain weights and scientists refer to these as set points. Fat people battle with these as well. Sometimes you gain a lot and then stay at the heavier size. Don't ask me how the body regulates us because I am sure it is not completely known. Why should there be higher set points? That doesn't make sense but you will definitely find that your body tends to stay at certain weights no matter what you try to do.

What I am trying to say here is that the typical musclehead thinking and strategy isn't going to work for really obese people. Different things are going on in their bodies. If it were a matter of will power then it would be fairly easy to control. But that is only half of the battle.

My advice to Keith is to read up on fat people and learn what they have found out about obesity and dieting. The Dimensions magazine website has some resources there but they aren't dedicated to making people thinner. Read the research about obesity and then try to understand it and see if any of that can help. The musclemen are advising to diet, diet, diet. They mean well but they don't know what they are dealing with.

[io856]

Basile is correct... dieting is like holding your head underwater... you can do it for a while but eventually your body will do everything in it's power to reach the surface for air... perhaps  these set points the obese create are the bodyweight/s their bodies consider as normal... losing such a magnitude of weight e.g. 150lbs, 200lbs, 250lbs + to reverse obesity is a massive undertaking and involves going far far beyond the set points... where is the mental drive in that case?

you are literally fighting your body's process of homeostasis... now the morbidly obese population is not often characterised by their fighting spirit, courage, resiliency, mental and physical fortitude... this is not just the 20-30lbs people lose to get in shape etc. and even that is difficult.

[Lurker79]

Keith, are you able to do any kind of exercise at all? Like getting in the pool or something...

On a side note...ever thought of getting back into arm wrestling?

[newmom]

new mom, stop being a enabler,

we are trying to save a mans life,

i dont give a fuck how you "feel" when you eat certain things

so get back in the kitchen and do something crazy for a change, and clean it!!


now keith you can do this man.

remember,

water just water

Are you kidding me. Listen numbnuts, I know what he is going through, nothing more nothing less

[Vince B]

Keith writes that he has been around 300 healthy pounds for much of his adult life. Habits develop and so do likes and dislikes. Sounds like the guy enjoyed life and ate what he pleased and to the full. Meals with friends and family are part of enjoying life. Can anyone here go shopping in a supermarket and not buy a treat or two? Especially in the supermarkets in America where plenty of snacks and treats are there to choose. You can go to the deli and buy cooked food. Soda drinks, lollies and cookies are often on special and they are tasty. The list goes on and on.

I think Keith is too old to overhaul his life and change habits he acquired over decades of living the good life. Why not have a whopper plus onion rings once in a while?

Newmom knows about all this stuff because she has battled it herself. Having one day a week to really treat oneself is a good idea. I used to do that with my kids and made Saturday lolly day. They weren't allowed to have sweets and candy except on Saturday when they could have as much as they liked.

Keith needs a good woman to live with him and prepare meals and look after him.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

What is happening to Keith has happened to millions of fat people. It isn't fun and it is difficult to reverse or even stop. Guys living by themselves have to eat takeaway to get reasonable meals. When you are heavy even those large meals aren't filling and you need extras. When you are training you can eat almost anything and I swear when I was teaching and running my gym at night I had to force feed myself to make any gains. That lasted for 25 years or so. Now I stay the same but if I diet I lose muscle. The body seems to like being at certain weights and scientists refer to these as set points. Fat people battle with these as well. Sometimes you gain a lot and then stay at the heavier size. Don't ask me how the body regulates us because I am sure it is not completely known. Why should there be higher set points? That doesn't make sense but you will definitely find that your body tends to stay at certain weights no matter what you try to do.

What I am trying to say here is that the typical musclehead thinking and strategy isn't going to work for really obese people. Different things are going on in their bodies. If it were a matter of will power then it would be fairly easy to control. But that is only half of the battle.

My advice to Keith is to read up on fat people and learn what they have found out about obesity and dieting. The Dimensions magazine website has some resources there but they aren't dedicated to making people thinner. Read the research about obesity and then try to understand it and see if any of that can help. The musclemen are advising to diet, diet, diet. They mean well but they don't know what they are dealing with.

Keith doesn't need to read or research anything.  He just needs to just DO IT.  Just get out of bed, go to the gym or to his workout area and hit the weights and the cardio.  He needs to take a trash bag and throw out all of the junk food that he has and replace it with healthy food.  Most importantly, he needs to do it on a consistant basis.

Keith needs to make a complete lifestyle change, period, and stop screwing around and making excuses.  He knows what he needs to do and he needs to just do it.  He's smart enough to know this so there's no reason to suggest that he needs to research or etc.  Ultimately, he needs to take control of his life and change it.

[newmom]

Vince being an emotional eater, such as I was, everyday is a battle at times. But I snap to reality, and know I would never go back to that. I dont think anyone is ever to old. If you want it bad enough, then its mind over matter. That is just my opinion

[EL Mariachi]

keith will be ripped in no time, he is a survivor. i dont understand how financially wealthy guys fall for food, if i wass rich i wouldnt even have a appetite, would be too happy

[WillGrant]

Keith doesn't need to read or research anything.  He just needs to just DO IT.  Just get out of bed, go to the gym or to his workout area and hit the weights and the cardio.  He needs to take a trash bag and throw out all of the junk food that he has and replace it with healthy food.  Most importantly, he needs to do it on a consistant basis.

Keith needs to make a complete lifestyle change, period, and stop screwing around and making excuses.  He knows what he needs to do and he needs to just do it.  He's smart enough to know this so there's no reason to suggest that he needs to research or etc.  Ultimately, he needs to take control of his life and change it.

Good post by vince , good to see him not attacking keith..well done  

[newmom]

Good post by vince , good to see him not attacking keith..well done  

I agree..Great post Goodrum

[Vince B]

Goodrum does a couple of internet courses and thinks he is an expert. He doesn't know the obese population and the special problems they have. All the advice here Keith knows. However, he just doesn't accept that he is fat and might remain that way. My point is he has to accept the reality and find ways to deal with what has taken his fitness away from him. It isn't easy and it helps to know what the fat people know about obesity. There is a lot of research about obesity. It pays to read it and know the language and results. Musclemen think they can go from offseason to competition by dieting and doing aerobics. That works when you are young but not so good when you get much older and have limited mobility. All the advice in the world is not going to change reality.

[io856]

Musclemen think they can go from offseason to competition by dieting and doing aerobics. That works when you are young but not so good when you get much older and have limited mobility. All the advice in the world is not going to change reality.

They probably can... but most stay in close range to their competition weights... 30-50lbs and a full awareness of the temporary condition of the dieting 

Also plenty get in top shape without aerobics

[epic_alien]

basile, get the fuck out of this thread,  you fat twink

[pellius]

new mom, stop being a enabler,

we are trying to save a mans life,

i dont give a fuck how you "feel" when you eat certain things

so get back in the kitchen and do something crazy for a change, and clean it!!

now keith you can do this man.

remember,

water just water

LMAO! X10!

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Goodrum does a couple of internet courses and thinks he is an expert. He doesn't know the obese population and the special problems they have. All the advice here Keith knows. However, he just doesn't accept that he is fat and might remain that way. My point is he has to accept the reality and find ways to deal with what has taken his fitness away from him. It isn't easy and it helps to know what the fat people know about obesity. There is a lot of research about obesity. It pays to read it and know the language and results. Musclemen think they can go from offseason to competition by dieting and doing aerobics. That works when you are young but not so good when you get much older and have limited mobility. All the advice in the world is not going to change reality.

I deal with them on a regular basis.  That's the bulk of clients for most personal trainers. 

Fact is that the only way someone obese is going to get in shape is if he or she really wants to get in shape and has the willpower to start a training and diet regimen and stick with it.  If they can't do that, then they will never succeed.

And while age is a factor, it should not stop you.  Look at Frank Zane and Larry Scott from their recent pictures.  They are both your age and they are doing just fine.  What's your excuse???

[Mr Nobody]

Keith doesn't need to read or research anything.  He just needs to just DO IT.  Just get out of bed, go to the gym or to his workout area and hit the weights and the cardio.  He needs to take a trash bag and throw out all of the junk food that he has and replace it with healthy food.  Most importantly, he needs to do it on a consistant basis.

Keith needs to make a complete lifestyle change, period, and stop screwing around and making excuses.  He knows what he needs to do and he needs to just do it.  He's smart enough to know this so there's no reason to suggest that he needs to research or etc.  Ultimately, he needs to take control of his life and change it.

Good post man I can see you are actually trying to help Keith here.

[polychronopolous]

Keith and gene are such badass names, i cant remember the last time i referred to them by their actual handles.

[danielson]

With all due respect, Keith was a world class athlete. He has also been posting on here for a decade or so, it would be impossible for him not to learn about nutrition. He knows how to lose weight, he simply doesn't want to.

[pellius]

Are you kidding me. Listen numbnuts, I know what he is going through, nothing more nothing less

No you don't. Get off your high horse, missy.

[James Blunt]

It's perfectly fine as long as the deficit is there.

NO it isn't. Don't encourage a fat person to eat fat shit. What the hell is wrong with you?

[noworries]

With all due respect, Keith was a world class athlete. He has also been posting on here for a decade or so, it would be impossible for him not to learn about nutrition. He knows how to lose weight, he simply doesn't want to.

you know you are partly right.  When the weight gain first started I thought I could just train and it would come off.  As it got down to where I couldn't train at all and barley walk I started to just stay home and lie in bed or stand in my pool all day.  I went nowhere.  i gotta tell you I think it was depression.  I just felt like no matter what I did it ended up I would get hurt and leg would get so big I couldn't do shit.  Then it got down to where I didn't care anymore what people thought.  anyone and everyone who knows me knows I went almost every night.  If I went somewhere I never been it would be minutes before I had many people around me offering to buy me drinks or whatever.  I would go to a club with friends I never been to and go to the front door and stand for just a few minutes and the bouncer would asked me how many I had with me and then let us all in.  If I was looking shitty I wouldn't go out.  I cared what I looked like.  I liked it when people would say how good I looked and big muscles.  Now I go out and I see a totally different look and for some reason I don't give a shit anymore.  I want to get back into shape more than anything but mentally I need to get back.,  I know the haters will just say "come on you fat fuck and quit with the excuses".  It is those guys who have no idea what is happening.  It is NOT as easy as just saying it.  I was in shape, I was strong and I drew positive attention.  I know how to train and I know how to get back into shape.  Do you honestly think if it was as easy as you say I wouldn't do it.  You have no idea what I have waiting for me if I get back into shape.  I have a huge amount of incentive but I am having a harder time doing it as I thought it would be.  For people to say shit like that just shows me you have no idea.  In all honesty, the only person who can relate is Newmom and maybe Tbombz.  But Tbomz was young.  I think if I was younger it would be a little different too.  My body takes a little longer in the morning to get going.  I also found out if I don't take 5 Aleve it is a little harder to get around for the day.

Anyway, my goal is to be in good enough shape by the Olympia to go to the expo.  I won't be back to where I want to be but I will be alot better.  I'd also like to have some strength so I can train with a few of you while you are here.  So I guess we will see.  I have alot to gain from the weight loss and I know that.  I just need to do it slowly so it becomes a natural part of my day.

And as much as Goodrum is an ass, he was actually nice earlier, but don't think once that we are going to go out.

[newmom]

Keith, you have to reach your breaking point. When obese, of course depression sets in. You'll get there just on your own terms.

[wavelength]

NO it isn't. Don't encourage a fat person to eat fat shit. What the hell is wrong with you?

I wasn't, I was just commenting in general. It depends on the person what the most convenient way is to lose fat. Many obese people fail time after time because they are told to eat things they hate. I agree that for others, the best way is to completely change their nutrition. Not the same for everyone.

[Disgusted]

Hey what happened to the a calorie is a calorie.  That isn't more than 2500 to 3000 calories is it.  I substituted the fries for onion rings.  And by the way I do that maybe once every two weeks or so.  I do not eat fast food very much. 

Remember Keith, a calorie is a calorie and a grain of sand is a grain of sand.