like his small "smith machine squat" legs that lack seperation and striation, or his missing bicep that throws off so many poses
his chest that was no where near as big or defined as ronnies or his back which was just as good in width but lacked the upper back detail and thickness or maybe his sheer lack of size next to ronnie,
oh but wait "this is not how you judge a show" "striation, size, conditioning, balance, and symmetry don't matter" . as for your last post it was just senseless and didn't really make or prove a point, oh but wait "if you knew anything about bodybuilding you would know what it means"
like his small "smith machine squat" legs that lack seperation and striation, or his missing bicep that throws off so many poses
his small legs? legs include , quads , calves and hams so once again you're making a blanket statement that covers a large area of muscles. and Dorian's hamstrings ( part of the legs ) do not lack ' seperation ' ( sic ) they do in fact show great separation and thickness , although they show no striations , much like his quads which is an area where Ronnie had an advantage over Dorian ( depending on the year & the weight ) and we've already established Ronnie's quads don't exhibit striations like they did in 96 , and oppssss forgot the calves which BTW are part of the legs , which is NO contest because Dorian's are eons better which show clearly better classic diamond shape , better separation and proportion in relation to his quads than compared to Ronnie then your blanket statement doesn't look promising does it?
Ronnie has ' better ' quads Dorian has better calves , both have great hams now tie everything together in terms of balance & proportion , whose calves are more in proportion with their quads? Dorian , whose hams are more in proportion with their quads & calves ? Dorian who has better leg balance throughout? Dorian you think an advantage in separation of the rectus femoris and larger quads negates all of this? not how it works
And another point you can't seem to grasp is at his best Dorian's bicep wasn't torn and even if it were his one bicep shorter than the other does NOT effect as many poses as two very undersized , poor shaped unproportionate calves which effects every single pose , because they can't be posed around and are visible from every angle in every pose
his chest that was no where near as big or defined as ronnies or his back which was just as good in width but lacked the upper back detail and thickness or maybe his sheer lack of size next to ronnie,
Ronnie may have a bigger chest , and not as defined? what do you mean by this? Dorian's chest shows great development and is striated to hell , Ronnie has an advantage in delt-pec tie-ins but you're making overstatements again. And holy shit Dorian's back lacked upper back detail? moronic statement here , Dorian's back actually even compared to Ronnie lacks NOTHING , his traps are insanely huge and detailed ( yes he has striations in his traps I don't see them on Ronnies ) and thickness? man I mean dude wtf? you've been starring at those imaginary ' comparisons ' to long , a trend you have is to make blanket statements and you don't elaborate on anything , we're supposed to just take your word for it his back lacks detail and thickness compared to Ronnie
oh but wait "this is not how you judge a show" "striation, size, conditioning, balance, and symmetry don't matter" . as for your last post it was just senseless and didn't really make or prove a point, oh but wait "if you knew anything about bodybuilding you would know what it means"
I know how contests are judged do you? obviously not with some of your replies , everything matters in a contest and it ALL matters at once
muscular size , balanced development , density & dryness , proportion , posing , while Ronnie meets part(s) of this criteria better than Dorian he doesn't meet all of it better
you can try and accumulate all the better & bigger parts you want and think that makes the better whole it doesn't and that's not how it works. you're glossing over Ronnie flaws concentrating solely on his strengths and taking a lot of liberties with blanket statements.
On paper Ronnie should easily win the ab-thigh pose , because according to you he has better symmetry ( small waist , hips , joints etc ) bigger better legs ( you mean quads ) but when we break it down on how contests are judged things change a lot from on paper
Muscular bulk who is carrying more muscular bulk in this pose ? now this is a tricky question it depends on the year , Dorian at what I consider his best ( precontest 1993 ) and what a vast majority of people feel Ronnie's best is , 2001 ASC. does Ronnie at 247 carry more muscular bulk than Dorian at 269lbs? I think not , advantage Dorian , now size for the sake of size is much good if it's not back up by conditioning and in this case Dorian backs it up
Density & dryness , now I've have quotes from experts who say Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian so we can say Dorian has a clear advantage in this area but for the sake of argument lets say dryness is equal , density wouldn't be because Dorian is backing his up with 22 more pounds of dense hard muscle , it's relatively easy to be dry and dense when you're smaller and a whole other ball of wax to be that when you're bigger so Dorian has an advantage in density and we'll push dryness , so light edge for Dorian in the conditioning department and still the same advantage in muscular bulk
Balance & proportion , much to your dismay Ronnie doesn't have great balance or proportion to his physique , his calves aren't in proportion with his quads , his quads dominate his hams ( when viewed in profile , this is clearly more evident when he's heavier ) his forearms aren't in proportion with his massive biceps/triceps , his glutes are so over-sized they can actually be seen from the front , he has a short torso and long legs , and his arms are to long for his torso , Dorian isn't the greatest but he's better than Ronnie with much better proportion between muscles , and balance between upper/lower body , again not perfect but better than Ronnie , advantage Dorian
Posing & presentation , another clear advantage for Dorian , Ronnie sucks at posing , and as I've said before neither are Lee Labrada but Dorian can effectively do the mandatory poses and pose around his weaknesses , Ronnie walks out doing the ' raise the roof ' with his gut punching out and this is at the beginning of his routine , advantage Dorian
Now back to the ab-thigh , whole Ronnie has advantage in his pose he still loses and why? he has superior ' symmetry ' and bigger quads and arms , yet he loses this pose miserably why? his midsection which sucks , it does him absolutely nothing to have a smaller & narrower waist when his abdominals suck oddly shaped 4-pack that's asymmetrical , his abdomen sticks out , his obliques , intercostals and serratus lack razor sharp definition compared to Dorian , he has bigger maybe even better quads that sit ontop of atrocious calves , he's down in muscular bulk and density and this is exactly why your paper advantage don't always translate into reality and why Dorian crushes him in this pose .
now apply all that criteria to every pose and you will see how Dorian simply meets all of that criteria better than Ronnie.
