Dorian said "Ronnie would probably win, I don't know"

[Shockwave]

water balloon?

think again:

Yup Water balloon. Hahahahahaha.

[kiwiol]

water balloon?

think again:

All BS aside, I'm as big a fan of Ronnie as I'm of Dorian, Hulkster. But even at his driest, most conditioned look (the 98 Olympia), Ronnie never looked anywhere near as dry as Dorian did, which the latter did at just about every single contest he competed in.

Even in the 97 Olympia, Dorian looked like he was carved out of granite while weighing 270 lb, while Ronnie looked like a balloon filled with water in the 2003 and 2004 Olympia. You will most likely disagree, but that's how I see it.

[Shockwave]

All BS aside, I'm as big a fan of Ronnie as I'm of Dorian, Hulkster. But even at his driest, most conditioned look (the 98 Olympia), Ronnie never looked anywhere near as dry as Dorian did, which the latter did at just about every single contest he competed in.

Even in the 97 Olympia, Dorian looked like he was carved out of granite, while Ronnie looked like a balloon filled with water in the 2003 and 2004 Olympia. You will most likely disagree, but that's how I see it.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Full agreement. Hulkster mistakes separations and striations for dryness. 

[Hulkster]

if a less than perfect Flex gave him a handful of trouble , what do you think Dorian 1993/1995 would do?

nothing.

because the 98 olympia was close on paper only because of the political momentum flex had going in. not because of how he compared to ronnie physique wise.

onstage it was not close at all.

but the scorecards in the first two rounds (mainly round 1) where ronnie was overlooked intially skewed the overall score.

luckily, the judges realized how good ronnie was early and the rest is history.

but if anyone is stupid enough to think that THIS was close in term of physiques (not scores), well, they know  nothing about this sport. period:

[Hulkster]

^
anyone other and Flowerboy and Cockwave think that the 1998 olympia was super close in terms of flex vs ronnie?

not bloody likely. ronnie is far far far ahead of the soft and puffy Flex.

[Palpatine Q]

Or course you stopped reading there because your mind is already made up. you are exactly the guy I'm talking about in the above post. I'm glad you mentioned him being strong to that also appeals more people to Ronnie which means nothing because weights are simple a means to an end but people are fascinated with numbers " Ronnie can squat this and no one else can ever "  impressive none the less it adds to his mystic but doesn't mean much in the context of who is a better bodybuilder

funny thing about Coleman fans NO ONE was cheering for him until he won , then everyone jumped on the bandwagon lol

LOL.....like yours isn't ??

it's all opinion folks,  no one more "right" than the other

[Shockwave]

because the 98 olympia was close on paper only because of the political momentum flex had going in. not because of how he compared to ronnie physique wise.

Where the fuck do you come up with this shit?
I think there is actually a mental condition about this, where people just dream up shit and try and pass it off as reality. lol.

[Hulkster]

All BS aside, I'm as big a fan of Ronnie as I'm of Dorian, Hulkster. But even at his driest, most conditioned look (the 98 Olympia), Ronnie never looked anywhere near as dry as Dorian did, which the latter did at just about every single contest he competed in.

Even in the 97 Olympia, Dorian looked like he was carved out of granite while weighing 270 lb, while Ronnie looked like a balloon filled with water in the 2003 and 2004 Olympia. You will most likely disagree, but that's how I see it.

LOL oh were to begin with this one?

carved from granite? LMAO!


you really need to have a close look at how well conditioned ronnie was at his best.

you must have been reading ND's bullshit for so long you are starting to believe it LOL

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes my mind is made up, just like yours is. I don't see the point of you arguing over and over about how "complete" dorian was or how paper thin his skin was. Who cares? I said that Ronnie was better, I'm not going to post hundreds of pictures or god forbid dig into the archives of muscle magazines for sentences. I dont care about it that much. I like Ronnie better. The whole breakdown of criteria that a judge should consider when examining a mans body that you do is just silly and partially gay to me.

The difference is my point wasn't already predetermined and it's based on a set of criterion not on what appeals to me visually. and it's gay to you to consider what they judge contests by? LMAO

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL.....like yours isn't ??

it's all opinion folks,  no one more "right" than the other

Mines in made up but it ain't because I like they way he looks better or because he's stronger 

[kiwiol]

you really need to have a close look at how well conditioned ronnie was at his best.

I don't think I could ever look at Ronnie as "closely" as you do

[Hulkster]

Where the fuck do you come up with this shit?
I think there is actually a mental condition about this, where people just dream up shit and try and pass it off as reality. lol.

LOL so you think ronnie and flex were really really close in terms of physiques in 98?

LOL oh yeah, you probably would. you're dumb enough to think dorian was better so you are probably dumb enough to think Flex and Ronnie were really close in 98:

LMAO: you think this is  truly only a 3 point difference? bwahahahaaha

its truly amazing how clueless some fans of this sport are. they think every score the judges have given is always 100% accurate LOL

[Shockwave]

LOL oh were to begin with this one?

carved from granite? LMAO!


you really need to have a close look at how well conditioned ronnie was at his best.

you must have been reading ND's bullshit for so long you are starting to believe it LOL

Hahahaha!!!!!! Owned. Contrary to what you believe Hulkster, there is a lot of people out there who understand that Ronnie was just never as dry or as hard as Dorian. FACT. No matter how hard you try and spin it. All your "visual proof"  does is show us how right we are. BWAHAHAHAHAHA. Have fun with your hero's water balloon musculature!

[NarcissisticDeity]

water balloon?

think again:

We can always count on you to be a loser , a crystal clear screencap of Ronnie and a shitty youtube sceengrab of Dorian and you think you accomplished anything by posting this? other than showing you rely on such weak strawmen?

99 is shit compared to 98 and 01 and both pale in comparison to Dorian 

[Mr. Magoo]

The difference is my point wasn't already predetermined and it's based on a set of criterion not on what appeals to me visually. and it's gay to you to consider what they judge contests by? LMAO

you're criterion is following other peoples guidelines in what to look for a contest. I go by what i personally think is more impressive.

it's gay to spend so much time of your life discussing each and every minor detail of dorian's body.

[Shockwave]

LOL so you think ronnie and flex were really really close in terms of physiques in 98?

LOL oh yeah, you probably would. you're dumb enough to think dorian was better so you are probably dumb enough to think Flex and Ronnie were really close in 98:

LMAO: you think this is  truly only a 3 point difference? bwahahahaaha

Yup I truely do. Youre trying to match Ronnies strengths up against Flex, thats not how it worked. Flex had a REAL aesthetic physique, and its a totally different kind than Ronnies, and thats why it was close.
You try and judge all the competitors with Ronnie being the standard to measure up to, and thats not how it works you moron.  

Flex's physique is a totally different animal, he didnt need to have Ronnies width or Ronnies arms to win, he did it with shape, flow, detail, etc. Yes I truely believe its only a 3 point difference, and so does everyone but you. Because guess what, you dont know shit about Bodybuilding. All you know is Ronnie-building. And until you come to grips with that, all youll ever be is a know nothing fanboy.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Absolutely. Ronnie's size and shape made him look freaky in a lot of poses, which makes most people overlook his flaws. Dorian was more complete and balanced, the torn arm not withstanding. At his best, Dorian had no weak points, while being well above everyone else with his dryness and conditioning. Ronnie was always missing calves and sporting a bad midsection, while having enough muscularity to dominate, with his conditioning being hit or miss / inconsistent.

I'm glad you brought this up , because it's the exact same thing that happened to me in 93 when Flex beat Dorian , I was dumbfounded no way Dorian should have beat Flex , Flex with his shape and cartoon proportions and amazing aesthetics I bitched & moaned about how the fix was on and I was amazed with Flex he looked like a much improved version of Haney to me , and then I learned how contests were judged , I learned more about the sport and then I cam to the conclusion of just how far Dorian really was and how wrong I was

these guys are in the same boat I was 17 years ago  I'm trying to teach them they just don't like the messenger

[Shockwave]

The best part Hulkster, is since you dont know shit and you cant back up anything you say, your answer to everything is "politics" lol.
BTW, where are all those quotes you used to tell us existed, you know, that werent actually in the magazines you claimed?
You have a mental condition Hulkster. You make shit up in your head and try to pass it off as reality. I dont know the name of it but I know its a legitimate condition. You might want to seek help for that. Im pretty sure they have a pill. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

nothing.

because the 98 olympia was close on paper only because of the political momentum flex had going in. not because of how he compared to ronnie physique wise.

onstage it was not close at all.

but the scorecards in the first two rounds (mainly round 1) where ronnie was overlooked intially skewed the overall score.

luckily, the judges realized how good ronnie was early and the rest is history.

but if anyone is stupid enough to think that THIS was close in term of physiques (not scores), well, they know  nothing about this sport. period:

the old excuse , 98 wasn't close LMFAO like I said you always contradict reality , just like 2001 Ronnie dominated by losing the entire prejudging and 99 is his best , you have your stories I have the facts , keep making excuses you're good at that.

1998 is still one of the closest Mr Olympia contest in the history of the contest.

[NarcissisticDeity]

^
anyone other and Flowerboy and Cockwave think that the 1998 olympia was super close in terms of flex vs ronnie?

not bloody likely. ronnie is far far far ahead of the soft and puffy Flex.

The old everyone agrees with me plea? who agrees with you? whoever does is wrong as well , go and collect an army of people who agree with you they'll all share in your stupidity.

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL oh were to begin with this one?

carved from granite? LMAO!


you really need to have a close look at how well conditioned ronnie was at his best.

you must have been reading ND's bullshit for so long you are starting to believe it LOL

more strawmen , 1997 his worse compared to Ronnie's best. you keep proving how scared you are of Dorian at his best ALL the time , and I don't blame you , there is a very good reason Ronnie admitted Dorian would continue to beat him

[NarcissisticDeity]

you're criterion is following other peoples guidelines in what to look for a contest. I go by what i personally think is more impressive.

it's gay to spend so much time of your life discussing each and every minor detail of dorian's body.

oh so the Mr Olympia should be judged on what you think wins a contest lol or who can move more weight hahahahaha I'm glad you at the least can admit this instead of trying to bend the rules to fit what you like , like these guys

yes you got me there it's gay explaining how Dorian's physique meets the criteria better , you seem obsessed with gay stop projecting your hang-ups on me

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yup I truely do. Youre trying to match Ronnies strengths up against Flex, thats not how it worked. Flex had a REAL aesthetic physique, and its a totally different kind than Ronnies, and thats why it was close.
You try and judge all the competitors with Ronnie being the standard to measure up to, and thats not how it works you moron.  

Flex's physique is a totally different animal, he didnt need to have Ronnies width or Ronnies arms to win, he did it with shape, flow, detail, etc. Yes I truely believe its only a 3 point difference, and so does everyone but you. Because guess what, you dont know shit about Bodybuilding. All you know is Ronnie-building. And until you come to grips with that, all youll ever be is a know nothing fanboy.

Hulkster has theories just like the rest of the Ronnie fan-boys and they often contradict reality. Hulkster takes the cake though he's among the dumbest people on the internet , I mean he absolutely gets EVERYTHING wrong

the best is his pathetic stawmen where he posts crystal-clear sceencaps of Ronnie to compressed youtube screencaps of the lowest quailty of Dorian , or Dorian 97 hehehehehehehe his nutt-hugging and pathetic ploys are legendary as are his enhanced screencaps and morphed pics and made up quotes  

oh the best was his two independent sources that was supposed  prove the guy who made his photoshopped screencaps for him was were the same videos and the two fucking sources were the exact same guy in question LMFAO he still hasn't recovered from that one. 

[Mr. Magoo]

oh so the Mr Olympia should be judged on what you think wins a contest lol or who can move more weight hahahahaha I'm glad you at the least can admit this instead of trying to bend the rules to fit what you like , like these guys

yes you got me there it's gay explaining how Dorian's physique meets the criteria better , you seem obsessed with gay stop projecting your hang-ups on me

What are you, 13? Im not saying what the Mr. Olympia should be judged on. I couldnt care less on what the mr. olympia is judged on. I dont think the weight that people move should be incorperated into the contest, thats just stupid, but to me in determining who is better, yes i do consider that, but thats me. For example I dont have much respect for Paul Dillet because of how lazy he was. I don't think you get it. Im saying that I think its stupid for you to invoke your idea of "criteria" in determining who people like better. It's not a math problem or some formula that everybody needs to understand. It's not that simple. It's just what each and every person thinks. I think that Ronnie is better.

[NarcissisticDeity]

What are you, 13? Im not saying what the Mr. Olympia should be judged on. I couldnt care less on what the mr. olympia is judged on. I dont think the weight that people move should be incorperated into the contest, thats just stupid, but to me in determining who is better, yes i do consider that, but thats me. For example I dont have much respect for Paul Dillet because of how lazy he was. I don't think you get it. Im saying that I think its stupid for you to invoke your idea of "criteria" in determining who people like better. It's not a math problem or some formula that everybody needs to understand. It's not that simple. It's just what each and every person thinks. I think that Ronnie is better.

There is a criteria to determine who is better , you don't wanna follow that and based your opinions solely on preference and strength NO problem but I deal with reality

you sound like Victor Richards BTW