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A Record Number Deported Under Obama
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A record number of illegal immigrants were deported during the 2009 fiscal year, The Washington Post reported today. The deportations were up 10 percent from 2008 and 25 percent from 2007 — the final two fiscal years under President Bush's term.

A total of 400,000 people are expected to be deported this year. And that's only because 400,000 is the maximum number that "the overburdened processing, detention and immigration court system can handle," The Post says, citing an interview with Immigration and Customs Enforcement director John T. Morton.

The Post says that the deportations are part of a "difficult and politically perilous" strategy to convince Republicans to support the president's comprehensive immigration reform agenda.

Deportations under Obama have focused more on identifying undocumented felons in the criminal justice system and sifting through employer audits than on sweeps of work sites.

The Post has been closely following the administration's immigration policy for months. Here's another good read from March on Latinos' disillusionment with Obama.

An NPR blog points out that political reality often interrupts presidents' agendas: "When he pushed an immigration overhaul in 2006 and 2007 that would have included a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, Bush was rebuffed by an anti-amnesty backlash in Congress and the public."

It'll be interesting to see if Obama has enough political capital left to tackle immigration — and soon — with many political observers expecting bills similar to Arizona's to crop up in a number of Western states in time for the 2012 election.

[tonymctones]

http://www.baycitizen.org/blogs/pulse-of-the-bay/record-number-deported-under-obama/


A Record Number Deported Under Obama
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A record number of illegal immigrants were deported during the 2009 fiscal year, The Washington Post reported today. The deportations were up 10 percent from 2008 and 25 percent from 2007 — the final two fiscal years under President Bush's term.

A total of 400,000 people are expected to be deported this year. And that's only because 400,000 is the maximum number that "the overburdened processing, detention and immigration court system can handle," The Post says, citing an interview with Immigration and Customs Enforcement director John T. Morton.

The Post says that the deportations are part of a "difficult and politically perilous" strategy to convince Republicans to support the president's comprehensive immigration reform agenda.

Deportations under Obama have focused more on identifying undocumented felons in the criminal justice system and sifting through employer audits than on sweeps of work sites.

The Post has been closely following the administration's immigration policy for months. Here's another good read from March on Latinos' disillusionment with Obama.

An NPR blog points out that political reality often interrupts presidents' agendas: "When he pushed an immigration overhaul in 2006 and 2007 that would have included a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, Bush was rebuffed by an anti-amnesty backlash in Congress and the public."

It'll be interesting to see if Obama has enough political capital left to tackle immigration — and soon — with many political observers expecting bills similar to Arizona's to crop up in a number of Western states in time for the 2012 election.

LOL brosky 400,000 of at a minimum 10 million maximum 20 million illegals in this country is only 4% of the illegal population at best...anybody who thinks that is a good job needs to come see me b/c im giving away free slaps to the side of the head

and the 2010 forcast is supposedly going to be much less than 2009 going off the number already deported so far in this year...ill try and dig up the link i posted for 240

[tonymctones]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/dhs-corrects-report-that-overs.html

"Months after reporting that the number of illegal immigrants removed by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement increased 47 percent during President Obama's first year in office, the Department of Homeland Security on Monday corrected the record, saying the actual increase in those deported and "voluntary departures" was 5 percent."[/i]

"ICE removed 387,790 in illegal immigrants in the year ending Sept. 30, 2009, compared with 369,221 in 2008 -- a 5 percent increase."

[tonymctones]

from the same link

"Separately, ICE reported that as of Feb. 1, four months into fiscal 2010, total removals are running at a rate 20 percent below last year, or 17 percent lower counting only deportations"

[loco]

LOCO ive shown many many times why simply going after employers will not work and made many points to this that you never countered and still refuse to acknowledge in future debates on this subject...

youve also again misstated what the arizona law will do which many ppl have corrected you on that you never countered and again still refuse to acknowledge in future debates....

the problem is that many ppl are misinformed on the subject and while some may have never been exposed to certain realities, you have so get your facts straight brosky...

tonymctones,

You created a thread just for me to discuss this, but you suddenly abandoned the thread and the discussion.  So don't come here now saying that you've shown me anything.  You have not.  Find your thread.  I'm still waiting there for you to address my points.

And way to ignore everything I've posted in this thread about American business knowingly hiring illegals in the US and some even hiring illegals in Mexico and then taking them to the US to work!

[Fury]

tonymctones,

You created a thread just for me to discuss this, but you suddenly abandoned the thread and the discussion.  So don't come here now saying that you've shown me anything.  You have not.  Find your thread.  I'm still waiting there for you to address my points.

And way to ignore everything I've posted in this thread about American business knowingly hiring illegals in the US and some even hiring illegals in Mexico and then taking them to the US to work!

It doesn't fucking matter. You keep hammering this point as if it means we should give a free pass to illegal immigrants. Sorry esse, they are not the victims here.

There's a fascinating concept that involves fixing the illegal immigration problem on multiple fronts. Believe it or not, the govt. could punish businesses who hire them while simultaneously doing other things to fix the problem!

[Hereford]

Like what BF, cutting off public assistance?

None of these illegals are making it on field worker and maid wages. People who would have you believe they re here to work are fooling you. Illegals are here to take any an all public handouts they can get their hands on.

[Fury]

Like what BF, cutting off public assistance?

None of these illegals are making it on field worker and maid wages. People who would have you believe they re here to work are fooling you. Illegals are here to take any an all public handouts they can get their hands on.

Oh, no doubt. I said the same thing in another thread. They're here to suck the system dry. Having a job is just a nice consolation prize.

[Agnostic007]

Since we are doing away with Political Correctness in this thread, here's what I'm thinking. I would like to swap out some illegal aliens for some of our citizens. Living in Austin, we have a large illegal alien population. I've arrested my fair share of them over the years for various things but have come across a lot of them that had great work ethics, took care of their families and didn't cause any trouble. I would love to exchange those illegal aliens for some of our natural born citizens who themselves are a blight on the tax dole, are career criminals, the only work they do is breaking into cars at night, and can't seem to keep their hands off other peoples things. I'll swap a hard working illegal, trying to survive who is this country illegally for a "legal" piece of crap any day..

   How's that for political incorrectness?

[loco]

It doesn't fucking matter. You keep hammering this point as if it means we should give a free pass to illegal immigrants. Sorry esse, they are not the victims here.

There's a fascinating concept that involves fixing the illegal immigration problem on multiple fronts. Believe it or not, the govt. could punish businesses who hire them while simultaneously doing other things to fix the problem!

Yes, it does matters.  That is the root of your problem.

No, it does not mean we should give a free pass to illegal immigrants.  I never said that.  You did.  You keep putting words in my mouth which shows the weakness in your arguments.  Cut the BS already.  That's like me saying that you and tonymctones keep hammering your point as if it means you should give a free pass to American companies and individuals who knowingly hire illegal immigrants.

Everybody keeps talking about passing laws to go after the illegals, but nobody is talking about passing laws to go after the companies and the individuals who hire them.

You go ahead and keep hammering your point and I'll keep hammering my point.

[loco]

Since we are doing away with Political Correctness in this thread, here's what I'm thinking. I would like to swap out some illegal aliens for some of our citizens. Living in Austin, we have a large illegal alien population. I've arrested my fair share of them over the years for various things but have come across a lot of them that had great work ethics, took care of their families and didn't cause any trouble. I would love to exchange those illegal aliens for some of our natural born citizens who themselves are a blight on the tax dole, are career criminals, the only work they do is breaking into cars at night, and can't seem to keep their hands off other peoples things. I'll swap a hard working illegal, trying to survive who is this country illegally for a "legal" piece of crap any day..

   How's that for political incorrectness?

Agnostic007,

You can't say anything nice about illegal immigrants on this board.  It's forbidden!

[Fury]

Yes, it does matters.  That is the root of your problem.

No, it does not mean we should give a free pass to illegal immigrants.  I never said that.  You did.  You keep putting words in my mouth which shows the weakness in your arguments.  Cut the BS already.  That's like me saying that you and tonymctones keep hammering your point as if it means you should give a free pass to American companies and individuals who knowingly hire illegal immigrants.

You go ahead and keep hammering your point and I'll keep hammering my point.

Weak argument? You were actually arguing that illegals are good because they apparently pay into social security. It doesn't get any weaker than that.

You've also placed their rights ahead of American citizens and you've even argued against the fact that Phoenix and other parts of Arizona are kidnapping havens. When shown that legal American citizens have fallen victim to cases of mistaken identity that have resulted in illegals committing crimes against them (among the other numerous crimes they commit), you brushed it aside and couldn't care less about the citizens whose lives were ruined by people who have no business being here.

But you keep trying to hammer your idiotic point home. It's clear that you have no clue what you're talking about and are among the minority of Americans that place the perceived rights of illegal criminals above those of American citizens.  

Illegals are the victims, esse! 

[loco]

Weak argument? You were actually arguing that illegals are good because they apparently pay into social security. It doesn't get any weaker than that.

You've also placed their rights ahead of American citizens and you've even argued against the fact that Phoenix and other parts of Arizona are kidnapping havens. When shown that legal American citizens have fallen victim to cases of mistaken identity that have resulted in illegals committing crimes against them (among the other numerous crimes they commit), you brushed it aside and couldn't care less about the citizens whose lives were ruined by people who have no business being here.

But you keep trying to hammer your idiotic point home. It's clear that you have no clue what you're talking about and are among the minority of Americans that place the perceived rights of illegal criminals above those of American citizens.  

Illegals are the victims, esse! 

BerzerkFury,

I've said not one of those things.  You can't quote me on any of it, but try if you want to. 

[loco]

As an employer, I cannot ask to see a 'green card' for the purposes of ascertaining whether or not a potential employee has the legal right to be in this country, and thus hold a job here.

Employment Eligibility Verification

Purpose of Form :
    
All U.S. employers must complete and retain a Form I-9 for each individual they hire for employment in the United States. This includes citizens and noncitizens. On the form, the employer must examine the employment eligibility and identity document(s) an employee presents to determine whether the document(s) reasonably appear to be genuine and relate to the individual and record the document information on the Form I-9. The list of acceptable documents can be found on the last page of the form.

Number of Pages :
    5
Edition Date :
    Rev. 08/07/09. The revision date can be found on the lower right hand corner of the form. The 02/02/09 edition is also accepted.
Where to File :

    Do not file Form I-9 with U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) or USCIS. Form I-9 must be kept by the employer either for three years after the date of hire or for one year after employment is terminated, whichever is later. The form must be available for inspection by authorized U.S. Government officials (e.g., Department of Homeland Security, Department of Labor, Department of Justice).
Filing Fee :
    $0
Special Instructions :

    You should have the latest version of the free Adobe Reader to download and use Form I-9. Note: The Spanish version of Form I-9, available below on this page, may be filled out by employers and employees in Puerto Rico ONLY. Spanish-speaking employers and employees in the 50 states and other U.S. territories may print this for their reference, but may only complete the form in English to meet employment eligibility verification requirements.

    * Download I-9 (Rev. 08/07/09) (English) (447KB PDF)
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf

    * Download I-9 (Spanish) (443KB PDF)
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9_spanish.pdf

    * Download Handbook for Employers, M-274 (NaNKB PDF)
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/m-274.pdf


   This page can be found at http://www.uscis.gov/i-9

[OzmO]

I don't know, it would seem to me that employers hiring illegals can't be helping to solve the problem.

I don't think i can legally go to work in most countries without sponsorship or permission

[Fury]

I don't know, it would seem to me that employers hiring illegals can't be helping to solve the problem.

I don't think i can legally go to work in most countries without sponsorship or permission

Of course they're not helping. Is that the only reason that illegals continue to break the law to come here illegally? Of course not. While people like Loco will try to hammer home the point that the businesses are the bad guys in this situation, acting like they're the sole cause of the problem we have today is a joke.

[OzmO]

Of course they're not helping. Is that the only reason that illegals continue to break the law to come here illegally? Of course not. While people like Loco will try to hammer home the point that the businesses are the bad guys in this situation, acting like they're the sole cause of the problem we have today is a joke.

Free services is certainly a reason.   

[loco]

Of course they're not helping. Is that the only reason that illegals continue to break the law to come here illegally? Of course not. While people like Loco will try to hammer home the point that the businesses are the bad guys in this situation, acting like they're the sole cause of the problem we have today is a joke.

I never said that they are the sole cause of the problem, but I do bring balance to the discussion.  Everybody else seems to talk about nothing but building a wall along the border and deporting everyone who looks illegal and isn't carrying papers.

[Dos Equis]

So instead of bitching and whining like the pussy you are why don't you man the fuck up and go join the border patrol.  I mean seriously..........you're a fucking "moderator" on a political forum on a bodybuilding website.  LMAO!  How much more fucking pathetic can you be dude?  Keyboard tough guy.  You wouldn't last 5 minutes manning the border with some mexican drug cartel donkey taking pot shots at you.  You'd piss your pants and come crawling back to getbig.  I love guys like you that talk tough.....but it's always just talk. 

Don't you wipe the butts of grown men and women for a living?  See any irony here? 

[OzmO]

So instead of bitching and whining like the pussy you are why don't you man the fuck up and go join the border patrol.  I mean seriously..........you're a fucking "moderator" on a political forum on a bodybuilding website.  LMAO!  How much more fucking pathetic can you be dude?  Keyboard tough guy.  You wouldn't last 5 minutes manning the border with some mexican drug cartel donkey taking pot shots at you.  You'd piss your pants and come crawling back to getbig.  I love guys like you that talk tough.....but it's always just talk. 

Wow you got serious issues dude.

Bye Bye.

[OzmO]

I wonder whose gimmick you are?

Well that will end soon.

[OzmO]

I never said that they are the sole cause of the problem, but I do bring balance to the discussion.  Everybody else seems to talk about nothing but building a wall along the border and deporting everyone who looks illegal and isn't carrying papers.

I would think that a wall or a effectively patrolled border along with penalties for business that employ illegals and a round up/deportation of present illegal aliens would solve this problem.  (And in turn create a whole new set of problems)

[Soul Crusher]

Another gem from Bob.

[tonymctones]

tonymctones,

You created a thread just for me to discuss this, but you suddenly abandoned the thread and the discussion.  So don't come here now saying that you've shown me anything.  You have not.  Find your thread.  I'm still waiting there for you to address my points.

And way to ignore everything I've posted in this thread about American business knowingly hiring illegals in the US and some even hiring illegals in Mexico and then taking them to the US to work!

Which thread are you referring to loco? i must have missed your comments...

I have always acknowledged that companies hire illegals and some even bus them across the border my point is that going after them alone will NOT fix the problem.

Ive also given you many ways that going after employers is going to be problematic b/c they will simply wiggle around the laws...you cant make one company responsible for another companies hiring practices and thats what will have to happen to fix the loop hole in your plan...

[JBGRAY]

Supply and Demand.  As long as there is a demand for cheap labor, Mexicans will provide it.  There are armies of them here in South Florida cutting grass, hanging out at Home Depot, etc....  Blame free trade agreements, employers, the economy, and laws written that allow them access to taxpayer funded services.  There is at this very moment an angry US citizen within his barricaded and secured gated community railing against illegal immigration while a Mexican yardworker is trimming his shrubs. 

Don't like the violence in the southwest?  Again, supply and demand.  If there weren't so many Americans using dope, the violence would be steeply curtailed, in the US and Mexico.  Once those free trade agreements went up, factories began dotting the Mexican landscape.  Making a scant $40 a week doing dangerous, filthy work in a hot warehouse, many young Mexicans simply joined the various drug gangs for a much more lucrative but deadly life.  All because Americans and other North Americans need to satiate their drug habits and pay high prices in order to do so.