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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2010, 11:19:10 PM »
Barack "HUssein" obama is fooling you yankee, like our french politics are fucking the french.

fuck liberal, sooner or latter pork will be banned from public school, you'll see mosquee everywhere, like in France, and islam will enter in the brain of your children put this sissi out of the white house.
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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #51 on: August 12, 2010, 03:05:43 AM »
My original post stands--- Consistent stupidity; by all the liberals who participated in this thread.
I knew it wouldn't take long before there was an obtuse comparison to Christianity, absurd and totally misplaced hypotheticals about the Oklahoma City bombing and all kinds of justifications, rationalizations and typical liberal double speak.

How's this for comparisons? Suppose your mother and sister were raped and tortured (and later killed) by a radical sect of Jehovah's Witnesses that acted in the name of God.  The place where the attack occurred is an unoccupied building about 1000 feet from where you live. The coverage of your mother and sisters rape and murder made international news and the horrific nature of the crime sparked outrage across the city and state in which you live. Now, in the name of religious tolerance, a high ranking Jehovah's witness cleric that supports the same radical mindset as the individuals that raped and killed your mother and sister wants to build an enormous Jehovah's Witness house of worship in the same building that acted as their coffin. The cleric won't reveal who is financing the building, even though he is required to do so by law and his excuse for using the particular piece of vacant property in question (Of which there are hundreds of other identically vacant properties across the city and state) is that it will create an interfaith dialogue and understanding between people of all backgrounds. Oh yeah, and for good measure, the cleric wants to open this house of worship on the anniversary of when your mother and sister were tortured and killed. -- Forget about the legality of the construction (which is questionable), the fact that Con Edison owns half the property, the fact that the cleric who wants to open the Mosque has refused to reveal who is providing the funding and that the cleric supports Sharia law and the same warped ideology as those who carried out 911--- Do any of you liberals have even a shred of pride or decency as human beings"? Under the guise of religious tolerance you are supporting and encouraging the construction of a victory trophy for those who applauded and participated in the largest act of mass murder this city/ country has ever seen.





This Mosque represents a vile desecration of the memory of those who lost their lives on 911 and a slap in the face to their surviving family members and to all Americans that don't support Islamic terrorism. I realize that most libs do support Islamic terrorism (or think that it's a creation of Fox News or Sarah Palin), so maybe I am talking over your heads a little bit.

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #52 on: August 12, 2010, 04:20:13 AM »
You have to put the date into context of how Muslims function and live, the Muslim faith is one which places great importance on many dates and in the radical Muslim world 9/11 is considered a holy day of great celebration simply and only because of what they accomplished on that day.

There is no reason, none whatsoever for this mosque to be built where it is being built...see these bullet-points I placed in another thread below:


location, location, location.

Perhaps it is as developers say... that this cultural centre is meant as an outreach to the non-muslim community. That being the case, being located in a high traffic area is important no?

It doesn't matter whether the radical muslim world revers the date 9/11. There are many dates embraced by radicals and extremists around the world. Are we to cease all activities on a particular day in effect making it a sacred holiday? That would really have an opposite intended effect now wouldn't it?

The big question that needs to be answered? Are they somehow breaking the law. If not... leave them alone.

If poor taste and insensitivity was a crime, I dare say half your politicians wouldn't be in office.
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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #53 on: August 12, 2010, 05:09:07 AM »
It's astonishing the amount of excuses, blind support, etc... that liberals give to the muslim religion, a religion that if it had its ways would take away many of the freedoms these same dullards purport to be so important.....yet they are the very first ones to have a vapor lock over anything related to Christians, which were in the forefront of the civil rights movement, as an example.   :-\

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #54 on: August 12, 2010, 06:20:33 AM »
Like I said , muslims have no one else to blame but themselves for the fact that most people think of them slightly better than maggots when they try to pull crap like this. 

   

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #55 on: August 12, 2010, 07:59:45 AM »
Like I said , muslims have no one else to blame but themselves for the fact that most people think of them slightly better than maggots when they try to pull crap like this. 

   

Good point, people claim that only 10% are terrorist/extremeist. So 150000000 are running around, so 10% of 1.5 billion isn't so small a number after all. As far as I can see the other 90% are doing a whole lot to put and end to this BS. Where the fuck are the other 90% now? Seems to me they are sitting on their asses letting someone else ( the USA ) do their fighting for them.
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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #56 on: August 12, 2010, 08:05:42 AM »
Offer Rejected to Move Mosque Away From Ground Zero to 'State Property'
FOX News ^ | 8/11/2010 | FOX News


The developers of the so-called Ground Zero mosque rejected New York Gov. David Paterson’s offer to provide state property if the project is moved farther away from where the twin towers once stood.

“I think they would like to stay where they are, and I certainly respect that and I certainly respect them,” Paterson said. “Having said that, how much more foresighted would it have been if the imam who is the developer of the project had been willing to hear what we are actually talking about?”


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This is exactly what i am talking about.  where is the tolerance and sensitivity of this supposed Imam to the families of the dead? 

Screw these vermin, pigs blood spilled on the premises it will be. 

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #57 on: August 12, 2010, 10:58:12 AM »
Nope, ...but I know a few people, myself included who would be willing to murder evangelicals if I had to, in order to preserve my life and sanity. I don't consider it hypocritical in the least. One is free to choose to not enter the mosque. In the case of the evangelicals I referred, I was not free to walk away, as they followed and harassed me, and refused to stop to the point, where the confrontation almost became physical. Would I kick the crap out of one of them if I had to? ABSOLUTELY! Would I kill one if I had to? ABSOLUTELY! You can hide behind your bible, and your labels of Christian, conservative etc, all you want, but your willful twisting of my words demonstrates the quality of your character or lack thereof.

you weren't free to walk away and felt you may have had the need to become physical or even kill them to protect yourself?  so it was an unlawful restraint or kidnapping situation then.  did you call the police? 

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #58 on: August 12, 2010, 11:25:03 AM »
you weren't free to walk away and felt you may have had the need to become physical or even kill them to protect yourself?  so it was an unlawful restraint or kidnapping situation then.  did you call the police? 

With quotes like that, it's hilarious how hypocritical this Muslim c*nt is. Oh wait, she's a Muslim so she can preach murder and intolerance and then chastise and criticize others for disagreeing with simple things like a shrine to Islamic supremacism being placed at Ground Zero.  ::)

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #59 on: August 13, 2010, 03:12:35 AM »
With quotes like that, it's hilarious how hypocritical this Muslim c*nt is. Oh wait, she's a Muslim so she can preach murder and intolerance and then chastise and criticize others for disagreeing with simple things like a shrine to Islamic supremacism being placed at Ground Zero.  ::)

Is anyone & everyone who in any way disagrees with you a Muslim?
Or is that simply your insult of choice? You might want to find something else.
Even though I'm not Muslim, I don't consider being called a Muslim to be an insult.
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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #60 on: August 13, 2010, 03:33:58 AM »
You're a Muslim that was forcefully converted when Islamic fundamentalists sacked the Toronto Zoo and took over the Llama and Orangutan habitats. I can see how the Muslim part of your background is probably the least offensive to your sensibilities.

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #61 on: August 13, 2010, 06:00:04 AM »
Sacrilege at Ground Zero

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, August 13, 2010

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A place is made sacred by a widespread belief that it was visited by the miraculous or the transcendent (Lourdes, the Temple Mount), by the presence there once of great nobility and sacrifice (Gettysburg), or by the blood of martyrs and the indescribable suffering of the innocent (Auschwitz).

When we speak of Ground Zero as hallowed ground, what we mean is that it belongs to those who suffered and died there -- and that such ownership obliges us, the living, to preserve the dignity and memory of the place, never allowing it to be forgotten, trivialized or misappropriated.

That's why Disney's 1993 proposal to build an American history theme park near Manassas Battlefield was defeated by a broad coalition that feared vulgarization of the Civil War (and that was wiser than me; at the time I obtusely saw little harm in the venture). It's why the commercial viewing tower built right on the border of Gettysburg was taken down by the Park Service. It's why, while no one objects to Japanese cultural centers, the idea of putting one up at Pearl Harbor would be offensive.

And why Pope John Paul II ordered the Carmelite nuns to leave the convent they had established at Auschwitz. He was in no way devaluing their heartfelt mission to pray for the souls of the dead. He was teaching them a lesson in respect: This is not your place; it belongs to others. However pure your voice, better to let silence reign.

Even New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who denounced opponents of the proposed 15-story mosque and Islamic center near Ground Zero as tramplers on religious freedom, asked the mosque organizers "to show some special sensitivity to the situation." Yet, as columnist Rich Lowry pointedly noted, the government has no business telling churches how to conduct their business, shape their message or show "special sensitivity" to anyone about anything. Bloomberg was thereby inadvertently conceding the claim of those he excoriates for opposing the mosque, namely that Ground Zero is indeed unlike any other place and therefore unique criteria govern what can be done there.

Bloomberg's implication is clear: If the proposed mosque were controlled by "insensitive" Islamist radicals either excusing or celebrating 9/11, he would not support its construction.

But then, why not? By the mayor's own expansive view of religious freedom, by what right do we dictate the message of any mosque? Moreover, as a practical matter, there's no guarantee that this couldn't happen in the future. Religious institutions in this country are autonomous. Who is to say that the mosque won't one day hire an Anwar al-Aulaqi -- spiritual mentor to the Fort Hood shooter and the Christmas Day bomber, and onetime imam at the Virginia mosque attended by two of the 9/11 terrorists?

An Aulaqi preaching in Virginia is a security problem. An Aulaqi preaching at Ground Zero is a sacrilege. Or would the mayor then step in -- violating the same First Amendment he grandiosely pretends to protect from mosque opponents -- and exercise a veto over the mosque's clergy?


Location matters. Especially this location. Ground Zero is the site of the greatest mass murder in American history -- perpetrated by Muslims of a particular Islamist orthodoxy in whose cause they died and in whose name they killed.

Of course that strain represents only a minority of Muslims. Islam is no more intrinsically Islamist than present-day Germany is Nazi -- yet despite contemporary Germany's innocence, no German of goodwill would even think of proposing a German cultural center at, say, Treblinka.

Which makes you wonder about the goodwill behind Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf's proposal. This is a man who has called U.S. policy "an accessory to the crime" of 9/11 and, when recently asked whether Hamas is a terrorist organization, replied, "I'm not a politician. . . . The issue of terrorism is a very complex question."

America is a free country where you can build whatever you want -- but not anywhere. That's why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn't meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all.

These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz -- and no mosque at Ground Zero.

Build it anywhere but there.

The governor of New York offered to help find land to build the mosque elsewhere. A mosque really seeking to build bridges, Rauf's ostensible hope for the structure, would accept the offer.

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #62 on: August 13, 2010, 06:13:27 AM »
People get so emotional over religion.

Can't we just say some group of a-holes wishes to put up a religious building?

Why do we get so dramatic over their 'intent'?  If I buy a mcgriddle in the morning, the kid at McD doesn't care if I'm eating because I'm hungry, or eating because I hate my father, or eating because I am a perma-bulker... he just cares that I'm spending $2.79 on a ggreasy ass sandwich.

Why all the drama/complaining about how people seeking a building location "feel" or what they "want"?  Either give them the permit (and allow all places of worship), or don't.... but all this drama about "anywhere but here" because it makes you 'feel' something... come on, keep emotion and religion out of govt municipal affairs.

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #63 on: August 13, 2010, 06:16:31 AM »
People get so emotional over religion.

Can't we just say some group of a-holes wishes to put up a religious building?

Why do we get so dramatic over their 'intent'?  If I buy a mcgriddle in the morning, the kid at McD doesn't care if I'm eating because I'm hungry, or eating because I hate my father, or eating because I am a perma-bulker... he just cares that I'm spending $2.79 on a ggreasy ass sandwich.

Why all the drama/complaining about how people seeking a building location "feel" or what they "want"?  Either give them the permit (and allow all places of worship), or don't.... but all this drama about "anywhere but here" because it makes you 'feel' something... come on, keep emotion and religion out of govt municipal affairs.

You really have your head up your ass 240.

Again - would you support a floating Shinto Shrine dedicated tot he empoer of Japan in Pearl Harbor?   

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #64 on: August 13, 2010, 07:25:10 AM »
I still don't understand why anyone would trust a muslim? Do a little research on Al-Taqiyya, if you are an "infidel" you can't believe a fucking word comes out of their pie hole.
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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #65 on: August 13, 2010, 07:35:59 AM »
They had a large segement on the radio last night about the Mosque in rome that the idiot Pope consented to as a condition of more tolerance in the ME. 

Guess what happened?  The mosque is bigger than was originally envisioned and the filthy vermin cracked down even more on christians in the ME as a sign of spitting ni the face of the Pope. 

I will post something about this later. 

And 240 - really dude - whats freaking wrong with you? 

Muslims are seeking to impose themselves on everyone else and we should all just open our necks for the dull knife so as not to offend their sensitivities?  Fuck that. 

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #66 on: August 13, 2010, 08:25:42 AM »
Is anyone & everyone who in any way disagrees with you a Muslim?
Or is that simply your insult of choice? You might want to find something else.
Even though I'm not Muslim, I don't consider being called a Muslim to be an insult.

Serious, not sarcastic at all, you strike me as someone who would consider it an insult to be called a Christian> Wrong?

People get so emotional over religion.

Can't we just say some group of a-holes wishes to put up a religious building?

Why do we get so dramatic over their 'intent'?  If I buy a mcgriddle in the morning, the kid at McD doesn't care if I'm eating because I'm hungry, or eating because I hate my father, or eating because I am a perma-bulker... he just cares that I'm spending $2.79 on a ggreasy ass sandwich.

Why all the drama/complaining about how people seeking a building location "feel" or what they "want"?  Either give them the permit (and allow all places of worship), or don't.... but all this drama about "anywhere but here" because it makes you 'feel' something... come on, keep emotion and religion out of govt municipal affairs.

Because this has nothing to do with religion, that's why people are upset...religion in this case is the cloth being used to hide the truth...unfortunately for them, the cloth is clear and everyone can see right through it.

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #67 on: August 13, 2010, 08:36:09 AM »
Check this out - he was on the radio last night describing the Rome Mosque. 

You fools supporting this are being played for patsies.

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 TOLERANCE AT GROUND ZERO; DAN HENNINGER

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704901104575423463411360770.html


By DANIEL HENNINGER

TOLERANCE AT GROUND ZERO

If there is a silver lining in the fight over Manhattan’s “Ground Zero Mosque,”
it is to see that the events of September 11, 2001 remain strong in the public
mind.

Thus it is affirming, in an ironic way, to see partisans on the left and right
joining to defend the legal and Constitutional right of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf
to build an Islamic center and mosque at 45 Park Place, two blocks from the
perimeter of the former World Trade Center towers.

It will be an irony of a different sort if the $100 million Islamic center rises
13 stories while the new the World Trade Center site, nine years after, remains
a pit of dust-covered construction struggling to rejoin the life of New York
City. For the most extreme elements of Islam, this must seem a crude, enduring
victory.

Recall the ringing cries that rebuilding the annihilated 108 stories would be
the “best answer” to the terrorists. Absent that, the next-best answer New York
City gave recently was to reassert its belief in freedom of religion and legal
title. In an August 3 speech on the Islamic center’s building approvals, New
York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg summarized those freedoms as “tolerance.”

One must agree. This is tolerance.

Along the way, Mr. Bloomberg noted that denying someone the right to build a
house of worship “may happen in other countries” but shouldn’t here. There is a
school of thought in this controversy that bringing up the denial of religious
practice in “other countries” is irrelevant to discussing the appropriateness of
the Ground Zero mosque. I disagree.

Indeed in the wake of much praise for Mayor Bloomberg’s defense of civil and
religious liberty, let me modestly suggest that he next go to Rome in October
and deliver a sequel at Pope Benedict XVI’s synod on what the pope recently
called the “urgent” plight of Christian minorities in the Middle East. Here, Mr.
Bloomberg was preaching to the choir. Try it over there, where it really
matters.

We didn’t discover tolerance. Islam coexisted for centuries with Christianity
and Judaism. No more. Minorities such as Coptic Christians in Egypt or the
Chaldeans and Yazidi in Iraq are being punished or driven out. Churches are
destroyed, not built. In April, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams,
described the disappearance of Christians from the Middle East as “a possibility
that appalls me.” Iran this week sentenced seven Bahái leaders, merely for being
Baháis.

These are national policies, not merely “extremist” Islam. This is directly
linked to why the West, including lower Manhattan, is being attacked.

It’s always stirring to see the American Constitution prevail on behalf of
unpopular groups, whether neo-Nazis marching in Skokie or Imam Rauf’s Cordoba
House in New York. But here’s what’s galling about the Cordoba House affair.
There is a sense in which these unpopular causes and people always free-ride on
the rest of us who defend freedom. It would be good to see them in return doing
their part to keep these principles alive, and that includes Imam Rauf’s
unambiguous public support for the embattled Christian minorities in the Middle
East.

Islam isn’t just another religion in America. It is bound up in the biggest
political struggle of our time. Notwithstanding Imam Rauf’s commitments to
“dialogue,” what has he or the rest done to promote and protect the traditions
of Western civil society, for which many here and in Europe have fought and
died? Maybe the Constitution doesn’t explicitly require it, but where is the
good faith on their part?

No institution has spent more time trying to bring Islam toward the modern
world’s tradition of civil liberties—that is, the world as we’ve known it for
about 250 years—than the Vatican. On behalf of tolerance in the Middle Eastern
countries, the Vatican has set up active directorates, sent envoys and held
endless symposia on behalf of “understanding” and “dialogue.”

In 1995, the Saudis and others, with the Vatican’s support, opened a large,
beautiful mosque in Rome. The expectation was that the Saudis would loosen their
restrictions on Christian practice. Despite some one million immigrant Christian
workers there, the Saudis have done nothing.

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Frustrated by the repeated failure of Islamic leaders to match promises with
practice, Pope Benedict added to the Vatican’s strategy of accommodation a
one-word policy, which the tolerance advocates here should adopt: “reciprocity.”

The idea: There will be support for fewer new mosques in the West until the home
countries stop hammering non-Islamic religions. Until they reciprocate good will
with good will.

Imam Rauf and his partners are getting more than they’ve earned. That’s nice.
But even in tolerant America, political life isn’t a one-way street. Islam is in
political tension with the world over Islamic terror. The next time one of them
tries to blow up New York, let’s hope the TV cameras’ first stop for a
denunciation won’t be the mayor, but the front steps of Cordoba House.

Write to henninger@wsj.com

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #68 on: August 13, 2010, 08:42:44 AM »
I'm referring to all the 'pundits' and GB members saying things like "10 blocks is too close!  We need it 30 blocks away or more!"


The minute you try to quantify mental pain and suffering via legislation... yikes.... slippery slope.  You repubs would be shitting bricks if Obama was stifling tea party rights the same way you wish to do with this particular religion.

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #69 on: August 13, 2010, 08:44:54 AM »
I'm referring to all the 'pundits' and GB members saying things like "10 blocks is too close!  We need it 30 blocks away or more!"


The minute you try to quantify mental pain and suffering via legislation... yikes.... slippery slope.  You repubs would be shitting bricks if Obama was stifling tea party rights the same way you wish to do with this particular religion.

What the fuck are you yapping about? I think you need to sit down and read the constitution and stop with all these "full retard" comparisons
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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #70 on: August 13, 2010, 08:47:59 AM »
I'm referring to all the 'pundits' and GB members saying things like "10 blocks is too close!  We need it 30 blocks away or more!"


The minute you try to quantify mental pain and suffering via legislation... yikes.... slippery slope.  You repubs would be shitting bricks if Obama was stifling tea party rights the same way you wish to do with this particular religion.

How about "not in a building where peoples' remains likely flew into"  ? ? ?

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #71 on: August 13, 2010, 08:50:57 AM »
See what most people fail to understand about Islam is, it is not just a "religion" it is a complete social/economic/governmental/theocratic system.
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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #72 on: August 13, 2010, 08:53:17 AM »
How about "not in a building where peoples' remains likely flew into"  ? ? ?

but see, the minute the lawmakers say "the wounds are too fresh" and "30 blocks, but not 29 or 28 or 10" and "a church is alright, but no mosques!"....

The minute emotion is allowed to work its way into lawmaking, we set a dangerous precedent - and one that Obama could use to his own advantage. 

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #73 on: August 13, 2010, 08:56:53 AM »
but see, the minute the lawmakers say "the wounds are too fresh" and "30 blocks, but not 29 or 28 or 10" and "a church is alright, but no mosques!"....

The minute emotion is allowed to work its way into lawmaking, we set a dangerous precedent - and one that Obama could use to his own advantage. 

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Re: 70% oppose Mosque at Ground Zero
« Reply #74 on: August 13, 2010, 08:57:48 AM »
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Are you ok with a Shinto Shrine anchored in Pearl Harbor?

I'm not okay with ANY floating shrines in pearl harbor.

In fact, floating shrines are gayer than a stack of strawberry pancakes and belong nowhere in this country.  That is all.