CT ok's Health Insurers' rate hikes of up to 47% due to ObamaCare

[James]

I had no idea Straw was this delusional.

I will refrain from making fun of the poor guy from now on.

[tonymctones]

you seem to be getting desparate now
If if make you feel any better I don't recall Bush making any such "promise" but Cheney said it was pretty much a certainty, and Powell made a huge argument that they existed (though again I don't recall him promising or guaranteeing) and British memo's say the Bush admin was fitting the intel to meet the objective.   We should have left after finding out there were no WMD's
That was the objective right?

now thats funny

well according to your logic "pretty much a certainty" is 100% so i guess he wasnt wrong right?

I mean obama based his whole argument for obama care around stopping the rising costs to families and how the bill would do that...but he isnt wrong right?

dumb ass   goodness youre an idiot

[tonymctones]

I had no idea Straw was this delusional.

I will refrain from making fun of the poor guy from now on.

ive known for some time now, like i always say when i get into a debate with him

its like he has a degenerative brain disorder tha is rapidly progressing 

he actually used to be a decent poster

[Soul Crusher]

Again Straw - people were told and promised over a 1 1/2 that their premiums and costs would go down.  This was all while Obama ignored the economy.  

And now costs are skyrocketing and Obama admits he knew costs would go up and you don't get why people are utterly pissed off?  

Geez dude - wake the hell up already.  

[Straw Man]

now thats funny

well according to your logic "pretty much a certainty" is 100% so i guess he wasnt wrong right?

I mean obama based his whole argument for obama care around stopping the rising costs to families and how the bill would do that...but he isnt wrong right?

dumb ass   goodness youre an idiot

you seem angry

you should try to relax

it's only a message board

[Soul Crusher]

you seem angry

you should try to relax

it's only a message board

Straw - how you don't see why the country is in near revolt over obamas' daily lie machine is realy beyond my comprehension. 

[tonymctones]

you seem angry

you should try to relax

it's only a message board

you seem ignorant

you should try to educate yourself

it makes you look like a dumb ass  

but hey dont let logic get in the way, right...

[Soul Crusher]

Straw  - seriously - why do you feel the need and compulsion to kneepad obama? 

[Straw Man]

Again Straw - people were told and promised over a 1 1/2 that their premiums and costs would go down.  This was all while Obama ignored the economy.  

And now costs are skyrocketing and Obama admits he knew costs would go up and you don't get why people are utterly pissed off?  

Geez dude - wake the hell up already.  

1.  statement made in 2007 and 2008 have to be tempered against the actual legislation that happened in 2009 and 2010.   Again, I know you hate having to deal with reality but other people don't have that same advantage.   I don't know how else to explain that to you and I doubt it would matter anyway

2. cost are not skyrockting.   costs went up faster (and without any restrictions) prior to the legislation

[James]

1. statement made in 2007 and 2008 have to be tempered against the actual legislation that happened in 2009 and 2010.   Again, I know you hate having to deal with reality but other people don't have that same advantage.   I don't know how else to explain that to you and I doubt it would matter anyway

2. cost are not skyrockting.   costs went up faster (and without any restrictions) prior to the legislation

for the 4th time:

from the White House website today, September 16, 2010  ( not 2007 to 2008):

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/buy-own-insurance

"What will health reform mean for you?"

Q: Will I pay more than I am paying today?

A: No.

"premiums are expected to drop by 14 to 20 percent."  

[dario73]

you seem to be getting desparate now

If if make you feel any better I don't recall Bush making any such "promise" but Cheney said it was pretty much a certainty, and Powell made a huge argument that they existed (though again I don't recall him promising or guaranteeing) and British memo's say the Bush admin was fitting the intel to meet the objective.   We should have left after finding out there were no WMD's
That was the objective right?

No. Actually, you are getting DESPERATE.  Those little words under your profile pic can be more aptly applied to you since you are so utterly stupid. According to your idiotic logic, a politician has to say "I promise" before mentioning what they are going to do for the citizens of this nation in order for it to be labeled a lie if they do the opposite.

So if I say the sky is black. Then that is not a lie because I didn't say "I promise". Do you understand how moronic that is?  I guess not, since you came up with it.  Tonymctones post makes an excellent point. Since Bush didn't promise there were WMDs I expect your moronic ass to stop calling him a liar and a traitor.

Never mind, that Obama was SUPPOSED to be DIFFERENT. You know that CHANGE stuff you dumb Libs talked about. A president that would finally DO WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO. Do you see the contradiction here, fool?

It sure is true what is said. That if you live long enough you will see, read and hear everything. I think I have encountered the most stupidest person in the world in straw.

[tonymctones]

face it straw bush and cheney werent wrong either using your logic...

[Soul Crusher]

1.  statement made in 2007 and 2008 have to be tempered against the actual legislation that happened in 2009 and 2010.   Again, I know you hate having to deal with reality but other people don't have that same advantage.   I don't know how else to explain that to you and I doubt it would matter anyway

2. cost are not skyrockting.   costs went up faster (and without any restrictions) prior to the legislation

Oh please - what is wrong with you?  Do you even pay attention to the news?  Obama said time and time and time again DURING THE HEALTHCARE DEBATE that costs would come down. 

[Straw Man]

No. Actually, you are getting DESPERATE.  Those little words under your profile pic can be more aptly applied to you since you are so utterly stupid. According to your idiotic logic, a politician has to say "I promise" before mentioning what they are going to do for the citizens of this nation in order for it to be labeled a lie if they do the opposite.

So if I say the sky is black. Then that is not a lie because I didn't say "I promise". Do you understand how moronic that is?  I guess not, since you came up with it.  Tonymctones post makes an excellent point. Since Bush didn't promise there were WMDs I expect your moronic ass to stop calling him a liar and a traitor.

Never mind, that Obama was SUPPOSED to be DIFFERENT. You know that CHANGE stuff you dumb Libs talked about. A president that would finally DO WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO. Do you see the contradiction here, fool?

It sure is true what is said. That if you live long enough you will see, read and hear everything. I think I have encountered the most stupidest person in the world in straw.

I said and statemen of expectation is not a promise and I gave numerous examples where they talk about scenarios where premiums will go up

if you want me to agree with you about something then make a better case

[tonymctones]

I said and statemen of expectation is not a promise and I gave numerous examples where they talk about scenarios where premiums will go up

if you want me to agree with you about something then make a better case

so the statement of "almost certainty" means cheney wasnt wrong either then I guess right?

I mean if obama wasnt wrong about the health care bill bringing down premiums b/c he didnt specifically promise, right?

[Straw Man]

face it straw bush and cheney werent wrong either using your logic...

I already told you that neither promised there were WMD's

Cheney just said it was a certainty and Bush/Cheney just appeared (in hindsight) to be manufacturing the case

what more do you want

[Soul Crusher]

Straw - are you ready to admit ObamaCare is a failure in its stated promise of keeping premiums down? 

[James]

This is hysterical.

[tonymctones]

I already told you that neither promised there were WMD's

Cheney just said it was a certainty and Bush/Cheney just appeared (in hindsight) to be manufacturing the case

what more do you want

lol first it was an "almost certainty" now he said it was a "certainty"   LMAO

dude youre a grade A moron

[James]

Is Straw the idiot that he said would buy stock in the US Postal Service if it were possible ?

[Soul Crusher]

lol first it was an "almost certainty" now he said it was a "certainty"   LMAO

dude youre a grade A moron

Straw will do anything to spin a turd so long as it comes from Obama.  

[Soul Crusher]

Is Straw the idiot that he said would buy stock in the US Postal Service if it were possible ?

no, he is the person who said GW would be a modern day big govt lib. 

[tonymctones]

Is Straw the idiot that he said would buy stock in the US Postal Service if it were possible ?

LOL one in the same

he also said that the post office was doing fine...

wouldnt admit to being wrong about that either  

hahahahah man this thread is giving me some good laughs

[James]

LOL one in the same

he also said that the post office was doing fine...

wouldnt admit to being wrong about that either  

hahahahah man this thread is giving me some good laughs

Makes since now.

He definitely brings laughter to this Board 

[dario73]

I said and statemen of expectation is not a promise and I gave numerous examples where they talk about scenarios where premiums will go up

if you want me to agree with you about something then make a better case

It's impossible to make you agree, because you are starting from a position that is so unreasonable and irrational that it is impossible for a sane person to comprehend. Besides, you are too proud to admit you are wrong.

Every person with common sense knows what a lie is. Except you. Every politician, including presidents, have been judged on what they claimed they were going to do before getting elected and what they actually DID when they were in office. Every President who did the opposite or passed legislation that did the opposite of what they TOLD the American people they were going to do before getting elected was considered a LIAR. Look up Bush's "read my lips no new taxes". He was labeled a liar. Why is it different for the current moron in the White House?