Lee Haney, Dorian Yates, Ronnie Coleman...Jay Cutler?

[Nirvana]

Goddamn both ronnie and dorian say the other would win (or some shit like that) quit using that facking argument

[Parker]

Seriously?  Haney, Yates, Coleman.....Pakulsi?  There's about 5 top bodybuilders right now and Jay is a little better than the others.  The idea that each generation of bodybuilders is better than the previous one is a fallacy.  We may never see Dorian's graininess, Platz's thigh development, or Munzer's conditioning again in our lifetime.  

Pakulski to me, looks better than Jay, give him time and he will be mind blowing, he has the shape, the size, freaky bodyparts (calves), photogenic...I say he will be one to watch.

[Hulkster]

Goddamn both ronnie and dorian say the other would win (or some shit like that) quit using that facking argument

ND has to use that argument because the visuals fail him.

they show ronnie to be clearly better and he needs any angle he can get to stay afloat.

been going on for years now. thats why he posts so many quotes and so few visuals..

[Lion666]

Okay, we've all seen them at their peaks, and the three former Mr. O's are all very dominant during their respective eras. Can Jay Cutler be uttered in the same breath in terms of quality, dominance of field, and changine the game? Lee Haney forced others to change up, Dorian forced others to change up, namely everybody had to have not just a great back, but a outstanding one, plus mass and superior conditioning. And Ronnie Coleman built upon that, and took it to a other level. What has Cutler brought? How has Cutlee changed the game, if at all?

sure he continued with the big n cut ala haney, yates, coleman...
still outmuscles anybody he stands onstage with, his condi is up there, big cut quads etc..

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND has to use that argument because the visuals fail him.

they show ronnie to be clearly better and he needs any angle he can get to stay afloat.

been going on for years now. thats why he posts so many quotes and so few visuals..

hahahahahaha the photoshopped pictures you tried to pass off as proof? the ones Kevin Horton busted you using? and a professional graphic artist 

give it up Hulkster you lost get over it , move on stop trolling in every thread that you see Yates name , more to this board than you spamming your bullshit , Ronnie ended anything you can type on the subject. 

[epic_alien]

Dude, you contributed nothing to the thread, nor the topic. Read what I wrote, digest it, then comment. The topic is whether or not he should be mention in the same sentence as the others, is he as dominant. A yes or a no...

160 pounds? I've seen dudes like in the video, regularly, and some of them on PCP, roughly 160-170, so don't diss 160, like it ain't nothing. Go4It weighs 170, and the women throw him their panties...

home skillet, you dont look like those treemonkey vids you posted, your 5 foot 5 and chubby 160lbs

yet you  are a bodybuilding critic

go figure

[Parker]

home skillet, you dont look like those treemonkey vids you posted, your 5 foot 5 and chubby 160lbs

yet you  are a bodybuilding critic

go figure

Hahaha, damn...first I was a skinny 160 pound twink, and now I'm a chubby 160 pounds. Make up your mind.

Hey, I might not be able to draw like Je Madereira, but I can still be a drawing/comc critic.
Your deductive fallacy doesn't fly here..

Just like a 10 yr old pic doesn't either...but your wit and comedic act is welcome.

[MCWAY]

How's it a coincidence? Are you saying they alternate the multi Olympia winners based solely on the colour of their skin? That would be a pretty hard trick to pull off in the last forty years of pro bodybuilding!

All it goes to show is that one can be a multi-O winner irrespective of their skin colour. Unlike other sports where skin colour does seem to matter, where the winner is always white (swimming), or black (100m running).

I think he skipped a few guys. There are 12 Mr. Olympia winners. All but three have won the title at least twice.

[JP_RC]

I remember reading the interview that ND is referring to. Ronnie said he felt Dorian could not be beaten.



I also recall Flex Wheeler, Paul Dillett, and Kevin Levrone having tremendous respect for Dorian. They at one point or another said Dorian was untouchable (who knows, they may have changed there minds down the road)


So if Flex, Ronnie, Dillett, and Levrone respected Yates, why do guys around here show Dorian so little respect?

I simply don't like his physique, that's it.

Saying I don't like his physique is not equal to showing little respect is it? Saying Ronnie is better is not showing little respect is it?

I know and admit he dominated back in his competitive days and was unbeatable as far as judging criteria, but his physique was awful, horrible arms, not so great quads, etc. Then he got the injuries and bloated gut which made things worse. The guy basically had the muscular size advantage, outstanding conditioning and good balance; that's why he dominated.
 

[MB]

The guys basically had the muscular size advantage, outstanding conditioning and good balance; that's why he dominated.

Sounds like a complete bodybuilder.  His legend will grow as we continue on with the Jay era and beyond. 

[JP_RC]

Sounds like a complete bodybuilder.  His legend will grow as we continue on with the Jay era and beyond. 

I agree, complete bodybuilder as far as judging criteria.

Complete bodybuilder for me? No.

[Danimal77]

This is pure drivel. How do you know what "they" want or didn't want, whoever "they" are?

Ronnie was / is way more popular than Haney ever was, not to mention he'd been looking worse and worse since 2003, which wasn't his best shape, but set a new standard in muscularity. He had too many injuries in 2006 and Jay looked better, which is why the latter won.

Ronnie is more popular because of the internet....

[kiwiol]

Ronnie is more popular because of the internet....

True, although his training videos and muscularity also play(ed) a part. Lee was a great bodybuilder, but was never in Ronnie's league - I'm talking in the context of muscularity.

I know Lee retired when he was still young and far from what he could have been, if he'd stayed around and taken Ronnie's stack, but that's beside the point. Ronnie is probably the most popular bodybuilder (among the fans and in the industry) since Arnold.

[Hulkster]

Ronnie is more popular because of the internet....

and his catchphrases..

but ronnie is popular because he raised the bar.

people were sick of bloated torn up mess that was dorian.

ronnie was like a breath of fresh air.

finally, a Mr. O. with a tiny waist and great arms again.

Jay lowered the bar though LOL

[mass 04]

He beat a one lat, one armed, Ronnie in 2006. Should have lost 07 and 08. Dominated 2009 and beat Phil this year, pretty clearly. His back is far from "weak."

*fulfilling my one bb related post per month.

[kiwiol]

but ronnie is popular because he raised the bar.

I'm sure he raises your "bar" every time you think of him

[NarcissisticDeity]

and his catchphrases..

but ronnie is popular because he raised the bar.

people were sick of bloated torn up mess that was dorian.

ronnie was like a breath of fresh air.

finally, a Mr. O. with a tiny waist and great arms again.

Jay lowered the bar though LOL

hahahahahaha tiny waist don't forget the bitch tits and 16" calves 

Ronnie is more popular because Daminal said the internet , he appeals to a lot of fanboy who don't know the first thing about how contests are judged and think all that matters is big biceps and a narrow waist 

Ronnie was a great champion and established himself as one of the best ever if not the best just based on his contests and Olympia titles but he never faced anyone like Dorian and he knows if he did he would have lost to the most dominant IFBB pro ever 

[epic_alien]

Hahaha, damn...first I was a skinny 160 pound twink, and now I'm a chubby 160 pounds. Make up your mind.

Hey, I might not be able to draw like Je Madereira, but I can still be a drawing/comc critic.
Your deductive fallacy doesn't fly here..

Just like a 10 yr old pic doesn't either...but your wit and comedic act is welcome.

brutal calling me out as a has been

comming from a never been,

new pics comming soon,  cuntflap

[Parker]

brutal calling me out as a has been

commiong from a never been,

new pics omming soon,  cuntflap

Glad I can oblige you...

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian on Ronnie

Flex Magazine April 09

 "He was a tremendous champion. It wasn't just winning contests that separated him from the rest, because what you see onstage is just the end result. It was the way he trained that really made him a legend."

his videos really did make him a legend his training is still unmatched to this day

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm sure he raises your "bar" every time you think of him

Hulkster with his hero 

[Palpatine Q]

No he won't be mentioned in the same way
to date I think jay deserved one of his titles
and that was 2009

x2

[Lundgren]

Jaw got the look down I think that can't be underestimated. I mean he's huge blond square(growing) jaw. He looks hude in photo's if you ignore him being 5 8. People in twenty years won't remember who he competed against they'll remember that him by his photos. As much as I think he looks like a blocky video game character he's the best "face" of the sport. 

[Nirvana]

I believe ARNIE1947 is to thank for these

[NarcissisticDeity]

I believe ARNIE1947 is to thank for these

No one is claiming Dorian had a tiny waist  

and this is one area Ronnie beats Dorian hands down