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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2010, 03:22:21 PM »
Straw - I just finished dSouzas new book as well as Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.  I have read Creature from Jeklyll island, Hazlitts Econ in one lesson, and many others recently. 

I am 1000% convinced Obama is seeking to collapse the nation and achieve revolutionary "change'.  Straw - if you read alinsky's book, Obama parrots many of the ideas, themese, even actual phrases in there word for freaking word like. 

Obama is not dumb in the sense that he does not know the ffects of his policies, he does, and that's why he is pushing them.  He is smart in that he knows he cant be honest with the public since he knows that the public hates his goals and policies by an large.  This is why he does almost no public press conferences despite the need for them, reliance on the teleprompter, and speaks almost always in generalities and never specifics of his policies. 

If you look at the totalitiy of obama's agenda, obamacare, cap and trade, finreg, auto takeover, school loan takeover, etc etc, using the EPA to shut down domestic energy producers and impose mandates and regs impossible to meet, his goal is to collapse the existing system by making is unworkable, let it collapse, and then 'transform" it into a socialist/marxist model which is his true intention.  He even admitted as much on health care if you look it up. 

And its not only health care and cap & trade, its support for the mosque, civilian trials for terrorists in NYC, radicalizing the DOJ, suing Arizona,  the gates affair, etc etc - all of which are meant to undermine the existing fabric of the nation he knows is a center right politic.  His goal is to undermine, depress, and make the average american completely overwhelmed by a feeling of helplessness such that they beg for him and the govt to take over and run the economy, their lives, and literally everything. 

Obama has revealed all of this in a few different venues.  I posted a clip where he said his biggest gripe with the constitution is that it is one of "negative liberties" to where it only deals with what the government "cant do to you" and not "what it should do on yourbehalf"   Its essentially a complete repudiation of what this nation was founded upon and he believes the force of his charachter is enough to usher this transformation in because most of the public is uninformed, ignorant, apathetic, and somehwat trusting of him.  He also uses his race to his advantage in that he knows he can get away with a lot more, and suffer a lot less scrutiny from the msm, out of fear of the racial accusations, etc etc. 

I know all of this sounds outlandish, but when you read the actual history of this man, his statements, his past, his influences, the obvious outcomes of these crazy policies, the many times people have warned him not to pursue these things, one can only come to the conclusion that Obama is intending to collapse the existing structure and hope that the populace is willing and desirous of a socialist marxist state. 


BTW - if you think i am making this up on the economic stuff, go look through my thread on obama the job destroyer. 

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2010, 03:30:24 PM »
Again - i refer everyone to DSouzas book, my thread on Obama and the economy, his statements, and especially the below clips.  Who other than someone who hates the system says these things. 


 






BUMP  -  listen to these clips carefully morons. 

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2010, 04:58:27 PM »
still waiting for specifics straw...

i can rattle off a list of things that obama has done that has had a directly negative effect on the economy pls tell me what bush has done... ;)
still waiting for specifics straw...

obama passed health care, finreg, is letting tax cuts expire, talking about cap/trade all during a recession where stability is key to moving the economy forward...

what did bush do again?  :D :D :D

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2010, 05:34:37 PM »
Straw - I just finished dSouzas new book as well as Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.  I have read Creature from Jeklyll island, Hazlitts Econ in one lesson, and many others recently. 

I am 1000% convinced Obama is seeking to collapse the nation and achieve revolutionary "change'.  Straw - if you read alinsky's book, Obama parrots many of the ideas, themese, even actual phrases in there word for freaking word like. 

Obama is not dumb in the sense that he does not know the ffects of his policies, he does, and that's why he is pushing them.  He is smart in that he knows he cant be honest with the public since he knows that the public hates his goals and policies by an large.  This is why he does almost no public press conferences despite the need for them, reliance on the teleprompter, and speaks almost always in generalities and never specifics of his policies. 

If you look at the totalitiy of obama's agenda, obamacare, cap and trade, finreg, auto takeover, school loan takeover, etc etc, using the EPA to shut down domestic energy producers and impose mandates and regs impossible to meet, his goal is to collapse the existing system by making is unworkable, let it collapse, and then 'transform" it into a socialist/marxist model which is his true intention.  He even admitted as much on health care if you look it up. 

And its not only health care and cap & trade, its support for the mosque, civilian trials for terrorists in NYC, radicalizing the DOJ, suing Arizona,  the gates affair, etc etc - all of which are meant to undermine the existing fabric of the nation he knows is a center right politic.  His goal is to undermine, depress, and make the average american completely overwhelmed by a feeling of helplessness such that they beg for him and the govt to take over and run the economy, their lives, and literally everything. 

Obama has revealed all of this in a few different venues.  I posted a clip where he said his biggest gripe with the constitution is that it is one of "negative liberties" to where it only deals with what the government "cant do to you" and not "what it should do on yourbehalf"   Its essentially a complete repudiation of what this nation was founded upon and he believes the force of his charachter is enough to usher this transformation in because most of the public is uninformed, ignorant, apathetic, and somehwat trusting of him.  He also uses his race to his advantage in that he knows he can get away with a lot more, and suffer a lot less scrutiny from the msm, out of fear of the racial accusations, etc etc. 

I know all of this sounds outlandish, but when you read the actual history of this man, his statements, his past, his influences, the obvious outcomes of these crazy policies, the many times people have warned him not to pursue these things, one can only come to the conclusion that Obama is intending to collapse the existing structure and hope that the populace is willing and desirous of a socialist marxist state. 


BTW - if you think i am making this up on the economic stuff, go look through my thread on obama the job destroyer. 

it doesn't sound outlandish, it sounds stupid at best and crazy at worst

Dems (and even some Repubs) have been pushing for health care reform for 50+ years and what we have so far hasn't even been implemented yet so no one has even felt the benefits

There was no "take over" of the auto industry and the student loan reforms just got rid of sweet heart/no lose deals for banks.  Nothing is stopping banks from makeing student loans

Just because other far right nut jobs write books about this nonsense doesn't make it true

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2010, 05:39:44 PM »
I don't think it's just "Right Wingers" that have a problem with all of this. Obama is continually losing support from independents and several who typically identify themselves as left-leaning.
The idea of all this is to take away responsibility from the individual and rest the responsibility on the shoulders of the government. The idea is to create what Obama views as "fair" in the realm of personal liberty. The idea is for others to decide how much you are allowed to have. The basic idea is to create a nanny state because the idea is "They know better than you."

The health care bill was the first big step towards all of this because you can put anything on this earth under "health care" that's why there are so many random things in that bill that really have nothing to do with health care. It's also going to destroy insurance companies, this has already started, it is slowly but surly making being in the business of selling health insurance completely unprofitable and guess what, as much as it pains some people to think insurance companies should earn a profit, the truth is they have to or they can't remain in business and provide insurance. Yes, there needs to be regulation but not at the expense of the industry altogether.

Obama is losing support from Independents and Democrats for not being more liberal and doing more of what he promised on the campaign trail

Private insurance compnaies will still exist, just like they still exist in England and just like the FedEX, DHL, etcc.. still exist in spite of the fact that we have a public postal system

the FinReg bill sucks and I've said so since the beginning but mostly because it did nothing to regularate credit defualt swaps or the bond rating agencies which were at the crux of the financial meltdown

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2010, 05:43:28 PM »
Raise the taxes but give them an incentive, something they can do to not pay those taxes like reduce their carbon footprint, or hire more full time employees.  


Do people really not understand what employees are for?  

You start a business because you believe you have the ability to produce some kind of "good" that people "need."   You believe you can produce the goods cheaper than you will sell them for and hope that there is enough of a "market" of buyers to allow you to earn a profit.

Employees are hired when demand is high enough to require more production than you can do alone.  
THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE FOR.  
Employees aren't hired because of tax incentives.

Maybe I didn't pay attention before, but the garbage I've heard about "jobs" in the past year has me completely dumbfounded.
People really seem to have no idea what an employee actually is.  
You don't create jobs by "creative policies."  
     Who the fuck thinks that businesses are going to hire an UNNEEDED employee $30k (or possibly much more..) a year in order to get a $5,000 tax      
     break?  The businesses aren't hiring because they don't need the employees.  There isn't enough WORK for them.  People aren't buying shit.  


I'm literally astounded by the job "plans" I see being discussed by the elected officials.  
Why the fuck am I going to hire someone I don't need...someone I don't have work for...someone I have to pay a shit ton of money every week to just sit there.....so that I can get a minor tax incentive?  



You want me to hire employees? 
Get rid of the uncertainty about my future taxes. 
Give me a reason to think the economy is going to rebound. 
Give me a reason to think that people will return to buying goods at a higher rate.
Quit loading me with restrictions and growth smothering regulations so that I can try to grow my business (i.e. have a need for more workers) without being punished for it.

Business don't hire employees because "people need jobs." 
They hire employees because people are buying their products, they take the risk of expanding their production.....and NEED employees to fuel that expansion. 

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2010, 08:08:27 PM »

Do people really not understand what employees are for?  

You start a business because you believe you have the ability to produce some kind of "good" that people "need."   You believe you can produce the goods cheaper than you will sell them for and hope that there is enough of a "market" of buyers to allow you to earn a profit.

Employees are hired when demand is high enough to require more production than you can do alone.  
THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE FOR.  
Employees aren't hired because of tax incentives.

Maybe I didn't pay attention before, but the garbage I've heard about "jobs" in the past year has me completely dumbfounded.
People really seem to have no idea what an employee actually is.  
You don't create jobs by "creative policies."  
     Who the fuck thinks that businesses are going to hire an UNNEEDED employee $30k (or possibly much more..) a year in order to get a $5,000 tax      
     break?  The businesses aren't hiring because they don't need the employees.  There isn't enough WORK for them.  People aren't buying shit.  


I'm literally astounded by the job "plans" I see being discussed by the elected officials.  
Why the fuck am I going to hire someone I don't need...someone I don't have work for...someone I have to pay a shit ton of money every week to just sit there.....so that I can get a minor tax incentive?  



You want me to hire employees? 
Get rid of the uncertainty about my future taxes. 
Give me a reason to think the economy is going to rebound. 
Give me a reason to think that people will return to buying goods at a higher rate.
Quit loading me with restrictions and growth smothering regulations so that I can try to grow my business (i.e. have a need for more workers) without being punished for it.

Business don't hire employees because "people need jobs." 
They hire employees because people are buying their products, they take the risk of expanding their production.....and NEED employees to fuel that expansion. 




^^^^^^^What he said!!!

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2010, 09:33:19 PM »
There are some similarities with Bush2 and Obama but there are also drastic differences. Bush has some big government progressive tendencies, no one is denying that. He made some poor decisions, the federal government grew far too large under Bush, no one's denying that.

Obama, he doesn't have progressive tendencies, he is a progressive through and through, a true anti-colonialist, a true fabian socialist.

Bush loved the system America is built on, but he did make decisions that were damaging to it. Obama hates the system America was built on, he finds it evil and unfair and makes no bones about it.

Bush based all his decisions on what he felt was for the good of the country, what he thought was for the good of the economy and free-market. Obama makes his decisions on what he believes is fair globally and puts the U.S in the back seat when making his decisions.

Bush, made mistakes but his biggest concern was the U.S.. Obama's last concern is the U.S. global fairness, social utopia is his only concern.

i find it hilarious that you and 3333386 have done research yet you believe "bush" and obama are responsible for these fucked up decisions.... these two figure heads aint running the show trust me
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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2010, 10:55:21 PM »
still waiting for specifics straw...

obama passed health care, finreg, is letting tax cuts expire, talking about cap/trade all during a recession where stability is key to moving the economy forward...

what did bush do again?  :D :D :D
Ill take your silence as "I have nothing" straw...

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2010, 12:24:31 AM »
i find it hilarious that you and 3333386 have done research yet you believe "bush" and obama are responsible for these fucked up decisions.... these two figure heads aint running the show trust me

I find it annoying and beyond frustrating when someone such as yourself makes a statement like "Trust Me" with no facts behind it. OK, fine, I'll trust you when you present an argument, build a case for your argument, provide some evidence, show that you've done some research, etc.

For example, the next presidential election, you tell me to vote for guy number one because guy number two is bad. I ask, "why is guy number two bad?" and then you say, "He just is, trust me." Come on, can you see how ridiculous that is?

1. Lay out your argument
2. Build a case around your argument
3. Present evidence that supports your argument
4. Present an opinion based on that evidence
5. Close your argument

Anyone can do this, it's not hard. The only time it can't be done is if the argument is false.

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2010, 06:20:09 AM »
I challenge every single one of you to go read Rules for Radicals by Alinsky with an open mind and report back.  Things obama has written, said, represented, and proclaimed are literally WORD FOR WORD out of there. 

And people who say :  "they are all the same" - please go the fuck away.  If you have nothing else to add to the discussion, why do you even bother posting in these threads? 

The fact of the matter is that we are dealing with an administration fundamentally at war with the fabric of the nation, the constitution, its history, its laws, its assumptions, its social contract, and ultimately, its people. 

And please anyone:  WHAT ARE THE CUMULATIVE EFFECTS OF THESE POLICIES:

$860 Billion Stim Bill, ObamaCare, cap & trade, finreg, the out of control EPA, support for civilian terrorist trials in NYC to give them platform to spew their hate for america, support for the mosque, the world apology tour, card check, suing Arizona, shutting down domestic oil producers while loaning money to petrobas to do the same, prolifigate spending on everything, hyper partsian politics like we have never seen, etc etc. 


TELL ME:  WHAT IS THE NET EFFECT OF ALL THIS CRAZINESS? 

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2010, 09:04:47 AM »
Ill take your silence as "I have nothing" straw...

it's pathetic how you're dying for my attention


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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2010, 09:17:33 AM »
it's pathetic how you're dying for my attention


LOL what im dying for is you to back up any of the bull shit you spew on this board... ;)

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2010, 10:57:43 AM »
LOL what im dying for is you to back up any of the bull shit you spew on this board... ;)

you should have been able to figure out by now that I don't think Bush or Obama was/is trying to "collapse the nation"

the whole fucking premise is moronic


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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2010, 12:19:15 PM »
you should have been able to figure out by now that I don't think Bush or Obama was/is trying to "collapse the nation"

the whole fucking premise is moronic



You keep saying that yet you've done nothing to support your claim. Nothing, only repeatedly called it stupid...re-read 333's post above and then re-read mine above that. After that, hopefully you'll have the ability to put together a coherent sentence based on a reasonable assertion.

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2010, 12:28:09 PM »
You keep saying that yet you've done nothing to support your claim. Nothing, only repeatedly called it stupid...re-read 333's post above and then re-read mine above that. After that, hopefully you'll have the ability to put together a coherent sentence based on a reasonable assertion.


I read it

what's the proof?

he calls the auto execs coming to DC with hat in hand begging to be bailed out as a "takeover"

he calls getting rid of the sweet heart/ no lose deal that we gave banks for years in the student loan biz a "takeover" even though there is nothing stopping banks from making students loans if they choose to do so

He calls health care legistalation a "takeover" even though the legeslation does nothing more than reform some of the most abusive practices in the health insurance (not actual heahlth lcare) business.

And yes, I think it's abusrrd to suggest that any POTUS (even Bush) was intentionally trying to harm this country.  Your or I may not agree on their choices but I think even Bush thought he was doing what was right for the country

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2010, 12:51:01 PM »

I read it

what's the proof?

he calls the auto execs coming to DC with hat in hand begging to be bailed out as a "takeover"

he calls getting rid of the sweet heart/ no lose deal that we gave banks for years in the student loan biz a "takeover" even though there is nothing stopping banks from making students loans if they choose to do so

He calls health care legistalation a "takeover" even though the legeslation does nothing more than reform some of the most abusive practices in the health insurance (not actual heahlth lcare) business.

And yes, I think it's abusrrd to suggest that any POTUS (even Bush) was intentionally trying to harm this country.  Your or I may not agree on their choices but I think even Bush thought he was doing what was right for the country

You're right, Bush did what he thought was best for the country.

Mistakes and victories and everything in between, Bush did the things he thought were right based on the idea of free-market U.S., based on the basic principles of U.S. beliefs.

Obama, you're right, he's also doing what he thinks is best for the country but he basis what he thinks is best on another model of thinking, one that is anti-free-market and anti-U.S. principled beliefs. His repeated words, "Fundamental Transformation" are not words to be taken lightly.

No, he doesn't want to see America completely destroyed. He doesn't want it to fall into the ocean or into oblivion. But he does want the Republic to fall, he wants the free-market republic to fail and in it's place enter a socialized-democracy. Sure, it's still America but a very, very different one. 

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2010, 04:22:01 PM »
You're right, Bush did what he thought was best for the country.

Mistakes and victories and everything in between, Bush did the things he thought were right based on the idea of free-market U.S., based on the basic principles of U.S. beliefs.

Obama, you're right, he's also doing what he thinks is best for the country but he basis what he thinks is best on another model of thinking, one that is anti-free-market and anti-U.S. principled beliefs. His repeated words, "Fundamental Transformation" are not words to be taken lightly.

No, he doesn't want to see America completely destroyed. He doesn't want it to fall into the ocean or into oblivion. But he does want the Republic to fall, he wants the free-market republic to fail and in it's place enter a socialized-democracy. Sure, it's still America but a very, very different one. 

you may believe this but I don't share that belief and nothing that I have read or heard has convinced me that premise is even remotely true

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2010, 05:17:56 PM »
you may believe this but I don't share that belief and nothing that I have read or heard has convinced me that premise is even remotely true
how about the fact the he intentionally put his agenda in front of the well being of the ppl of the US?

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2010, 05:20:41 PM »
I find it annoying and beyond frustrating when someone such as yourself makes a statement like "Trust Me" with no facts behind it. OK, fine, I'll trust you when you present an argument, build a case for your argument, provide some evidence, show that you've done some research, etc.

For example, the next presidential election, you tell me to vote for guy number one because guy number two is bad. I ask, "why is guy number two bad?" and then you say, "He just is, trust me." Come on, can you see how ridiculous that is?

1. Lay out your argument
2. Build a case around your argument
3. Present evidence that supports your argument
4. Present an opinion based on that evidence
5. Close your argument

Anyone can do this, it's not hard. The only time it can't be done is if the argument is false.

I like it.   :)

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2010, 05:19:24 AM »
you may believe this but I don't share that belief and nothing that I have read or heard has convinced me that premise is even remotely true

Straw - let me put this in terms you will grasp.  

Let's say you are laying in bed with your new boyfriend (Obama) who you met while drunk in the bar (Hope & Change Campaign).  You met him on the rebound (Nation in recession) after your last boyfriend (Bush) broke up with you and screwed up the relationship.  You are still in that phase where you don't see his flaws, faults, history, etc., (Hope & Change), however, you do know he bang you in the ass real good (Soaring speeches).  

Now, lets say you have been with this guy for a few months and you decide to go get married to him (Election 2008).  5 days before your marriage to this guy you have only known a few months, but who you know does right by you in bed, he says this to you:  

"Straw - I am five days away from fundamentally transforming you"  




Now - Straw - don't you ask yourself before going forward with your nuptuals tot his guy you have only know a few months:

1.  What does he mean "fundamentally transform"?
 
2.  What needs to be transformed and into what?  

3.  Before getting married tot his guy, shouldnt I at least find out what he is talking about with this change and transformation stuff?

4.  Has he ever done this before and with who?  

5.  What is wrong with me now that I need to be "transformed"?

6.  What am I going to be transformed in to?  


Ok Straw - so lets say  you don't ask yourself these questions and you get married (2008 Vote).  All of a sudden you realize that the guy you married is quickly changing into someone you did not know (Bailouts, Crony corporatism, Geithner, Summers, Goldman).   He starts doing things he never said he would (Mandate of health care, expanding patriot act, fails to close gitmo, etc etc) .  He starts hanging out at the bar again where he met you, he starts hanging out with women 9Bankers, insurance carriers, drug companies), he starts introducing crazy things to your relationship (Suining arizona, GZ mosque, communist czars, gates affair, etc etc) , he starts attacking you personally (calling out progressives, telling his base to shut up, calling them F'ing retards, etc etc), he starts going back on the promises he made while he was seducing you, etc etc.  

Don't you at any point say - is he intentionally trying to sabotage our marriage (The nation and social contract)?              

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2010, 07:37:22 AM »
1.  What does he mean "fundamentally transform"?         

the clip is 8 seconds long and I don't hear what he said before or after.

maybe he's talking about the fundamental difference that he hoped his adminstration would be as compared the the crime syndicate that had been running our country for the prior 8 years.  That would make a lot more sense than the absolutely bat shit crazy fears about a secret communist agenda that you've been blathering about non-stop for the past 20 months. 

Let's face reality here for a moment.  You're a nut.  You support ever nutbag candidate (Palin, ODonnel, Paladino), etc...  You're conspiracy theories are beyond nutty and your own stated beliefs about how YOU would like to transform this country (if you could do so) are not shared by the majority of the people in this country.    I predict you will be posting the same drivel about Obam for the next 6 years right up until the day he leaves office at the end of his second term

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2010, 07:50:24 AM »
the clip is 8 seconds long and I don't hear what he said before or after.

maybe he's talking about the fundamental difference that he hoped his adminstration would be as compared the the crime syndicate that had been running our country for the prior 8 years.  That would make a lot more sense than the absolutely bat shit crazy fears about a secret communist agenda that you've been blathering about non-stop for the past 20 months. 

Let's face reality here for a moment.  You're a nut.  You support ever nutbag candidate (Palin, ODonnel, Paladino), etc...  You're conspiracy theories are beyond nutty and your own stated beliefs about how YOU would like to transform this country (if you could do so) are not shared by the majority of the people in this country.    I predict you will be posting the same drivel about Obam for the next 6 years right up until the day he leaves office at the end of his second term


Let me ask it to you this way - what would it take to convince you that obama is intending to collapse the nation?   And is there anything anyone could ever present to you to convince you? 

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2010, 07:52:53 AM »
the clip is 8 seconds long and I don't hear what he said before or after.

maybe he's talking about the fundamental difference that he hoped his adminstration would be as compared the the crime syndicate that had been running our country for the prior 8 years.  That would make a lot more sense than the absolutely bat shit crazy fears about a secret communist agenda that you've been blathering about non-stop for the past 20 months. 

Let's face reality here for a moment.  You're a nut.  You support ever nutbag candidate (Palin, ODonnel, Paladino), etc...  You're conspiracy theories are beyond nutty and your own stated beliefs about how YOU would like to transform this country (if you could do so) are not shared by the majority of the people in this country.    I predict you will be posting the same drivel about Obam for the next 6 years right up until the day he leaves office at the end of his second term


Straw - to believe your statement - you need to ignore the statements he has made in the past about redistributive change, spreading the wealth, consitution bering fatally flawed, his daliances with Ayers, Alinsky, Dohrn, khalidi, Wright, etc.   

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Re: Proof: Obama is Trying to Collapse the Nation
« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2010, 08:21:44 AM »
Let me ask it to you this way - what would it take to convince you that obama is intending to collapse the nation?   And is there anything anyone could ever present to you to convince you? 

first you would have to define "collapse the nation"

to me that term means the collapse of our goverment

then you would actually have to show me some proof but keep in mind if you could actually do that then you would be testifying in front of congress or you would have an "accident" or something like that.   

what you actually do is read far right wing nutjobs and then swallow their bullshit hook, line and sinker and then come running over to GB.com to post the same thing day after day after day after day after day