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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_democrats
House Dems stew over Obama's handling of tax deal



WASHINGTON – The struggle over tax cuts is seriously straining President Barack Obama's relationship with House Democrats, who have backed him on key issues even when it cost them politically.

Expressing hurt and bewilderment, Democratic lawmakers say Obama ignored them at crucial negotiating moments, misled them about his intentions and made needless concessions to Republicans.

The president has responded that he acted honorably and drove the best bargain he could. But even his explanations offended some longtime allies. Aides to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi passed around news accounts of a Dec. 7 news conference in which Obama claimed that some liberals would feel "sanctimonious about how pure our intentions are and how tough we are" by refusing to compromise, even if an impasse hurt the working class.

"Hardly anybody in the Democratic caucus here feels that the president tried hard enough to deliver on his campaign promises," said Rep. Alan Grayson of Florida, one of dozens of House Democrats defeated in last month's elections. Obama had House Democratic leaders "go through what turned out to be Potemkin meetings with his staff, when the real negotiations were being done elsewhere," he said.

Rep. Elijah Cummings, a Maryland Democrat who has strongly supported Obama and who won re-election last month, told MSNBC the chief House representative "wasn't even in the room, and we did feel left out" during the key tax-cut negotiations.

Hurt feelings can mend over time, of course, and it's not clear how much political damage Obama will suffer because of disenchantment among House members. His allies note that House Democrats will be in the minority in the new Congress, and it's essential for the president to negotiate with the newly ascendant Republicans to get things done.

Still, the estrangement is notable because House Democrats have been Obama's most dependable allies in his first two years in office. They passed a politically risky energy bill to cap greenhouse gasses, only to see the Senate ignore it. When the Senate refused to make further changes to this year's hard-fought health care overhaul bill, House Democrats swallowed their anger and pride, accepting big concessions to keep it alive.

Key liberal groups have attacked the tax plan, which would extend Bush-era tax cuts for two years for all Americans, poor and rich alike. It also would extend unemployment benefits and trim Social Security taxes for a year, steps most Democrats support. But the deal would tax large, multimillion-dollar inheritances at a rate lower than many had expected, and that infuriates many liberals.

Some of Obama's longtime allies have lashed out. Illinois Rep. Jesse L. Jackson Jr. — who publicly chastised his famous father for criticizing Obama in the 2008 presidential campaign — said of the tax deal, "If we recklessly cut taxes for the wealthiest 2 percent, then Obamanomics will look an awful lot like Reaganomics."

The Congressional Black Caucus said its members "are overwhelmingly opposed to the president's compromise with Republicans."

Obama says GOP lawmakers held middle-class Americans hostage by vowing to tie up Congress — and thereby allowing everyone's income tax rates to rise on Jan. 1 — unless he met their demands to extend tax cuts for the wealthy for another two years.

"I know there are some who would have preferred a protracted political fight, even if it had meant higher taxes for all Americans," the president said last week. "I'm not here to play games with the American people or the health of our economy," he added. "My job is to do whatever I can to get this economy moving."

House Democrats are especially upset about a Dec. 6 White House meeting involving their party's leaders, Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, the administration's chief tax negotiator. Participants said Pelosi and one of her lieutenants, Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, knew the White House was nearing an agreement with Republicans, and they specifically objected to the proposed inheritance tax provisions.

Van Hollen says Obama and Biden indicated that no final deal had been cut. But shortly after the meeting ended, Obama announced the compromise reached with Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

White House officials say some details were negotiated almost to the last minute. But accounts of the meeting angered many House Democrats, who voted two days later to reject the tax cut plan unless it is changed.

"We left that meeting with the White House indicating that they had not yet cut final details," Van Hollen said in an interview. Referring to the estate tax provisions, he said, "Republicans are gloating because they got a windfall of $25 billion for the wealthiest estates." That would be added to the deficit, he noted.

White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer told the Associated Press, "We have been talking to the Democratic leadership since prior to the announcement and will continue to work closely with them to ensure that this important package is passed into law so the middle class doesn't face a tax increase."

Van Hollen says more negotiations will occur when the tax measure reaches the House, assuming the Senate approves Obama's version this week. House Democrats "are determined to strip the most egregious provisions from the bill, especially the estate tax giveaway," he vowed.



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Ha ha ha ha - even Pelosi got rolled by this lying, thieving, piece of work. 


If that asshole wil do this to membes of his own party - you fools think he wont do far worse to us? 
 

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2010, 06:11:49 AM »
House Democrats are especially upset about a Dec. 6 White House meeting involving their party's leaders, Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, the administration's chief tax negotiator. Participants said Pelosi and one of her lieutenants, Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, knew the White House was nearing an agreement with Republicans, and they specifically objected to the proposed inheritance tax provisions.

Van Hollen says Obama and Biden indicated that no final deal had been cut. But shortly after the meeting ended, Obama announced the compromise reached with Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.



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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2010, 06:13:32 AM »



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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2010, 06:27:13 AM »
HEHEHE!! I thought Republicans was supposed to be the divided party and Democrats the strong, united, one for all, all for one party.  So much for that.

I guess it's easier to open threads about Boehner's crying than to face the reality that Obama and his party are at odds and don't know what to do next.

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2010, 06:35:07 AM »
Again - the issue is the lies, deception, and double dealing. 

Its on every single issue with this horrible admn. 


Yet Team KP worries about Boehners' crying. 

Go figure.   

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2010, 07:05:05 AM »
Again - the issue is the lies, deception, and double dealing.  

Its on every single issue with this horrible admn.  


Yet Team KP worries about Boehners' crying.  

Go figure.    

Lies, deception and double dealing. Say it ain't so. Didn't Obama promise change? I thought politics as we knew it was supposed to be a thing of the past under Obama. He was going to keep all his promises. He was going to be more open. Remember when he said the health reform negotiations would be televised on C-Span?

What can be expected of a man who lied about a family member being present at the liberation of Aushwitz?


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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2010, 07:09:30 AM »
I just called my congressperson and told her to vote against this package. 

I'm sick of this crap.  This admn is disgusting, vile, dishonest, duplicitous, and simply not worthy of the office or money taxpayers are wasting on them. 


FUBO!   

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2010, 07:10:41 AM »
HEHEHE!! I thought Republicans was supposed to be the divided party and Democrats the strong, united, one for all, all for one party.  So much for that.

I guess it's easier to open threads about Boehner's crying than to face the reality that Obama and his party are at odds and don't know what to do next.

Thats something to clap over.. a divided country,, yayyyyy.. ::)

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2010, 07:11:28 AM »
Again - the issue is the lies, deception, and double dealing. 

Its on every single issue with this horrible admn. 


Yet Team KP worries about Boehners' crying. 

Go figure.   

I know it's your term, but the correct initials are TK.

 ;D

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2010, 07:13:21 AM »
Thats something to clap over.. a divided country,, yayyyyy.. ::)

Obama has divided even the Democrat party at this point. 

Did you read the article?  He ad biden lied to top members of his own party on this.

No wonder Moran and others in the Dem party are sayng "FUCK OBAMA" along with at least 50% of the country 


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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2010, 07:14:32 AM »
Obama has divided even the Democrat party at this point. 

Did you read the article?  He ad biden lied to top members of his own party on this.

No wonder Moran and others in the Dem party are sayng "FUCK OBAMA" along with at least 50% of the country 



Right.. because thats his aim right.. seek and distroy?...fuckin idiot

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2010, 07:19:25 AM »
Obama is a marxist planted by China and USSR to destroy the USA. Just ask Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, Palin or 3333.
Oh and its not them who are wrong its just us stupid ordinary mortals living in our matrix who refuse to see the truth.


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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2010, 07:20:54 AM »
Thats something to clap over.. a divided country,, yayyyyy.. ::)

Whose clapping over a divided country? I am making fun of 240's assertion, and maybe you believed him, when he said that Republicans were divided. Interesting how with each passing day it is the Democrats that are at each other's necks or at least at the president's neck.  

Dems need to meet the Reps half way and do what the people want them to do. The Dems agenda was rejected by the people on Nov. 2. Once they do the will of the people and work with the Reps, then we won't have such a divided country.

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2010, 07:21:43 AM »
Right.. because thats his aim right.. seek and distroy?...fuckin idiot

Whether its his aim or not - its the result of his horrible policies, super-secretive dealings, duplicitous ways, lies, sell-outs, and flip flops on every single issue.   He simply is not an honest person.  He lies without blinking an eye and everyone is sick of it.  

Again - even House Dems are cursing out Obama over how he acts.  Can't blame that on Sarah, Rush, or Beck.    


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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2010, 07:23:30 AM »
So if you really believe he is trying to destroy the country then it would be a patriots duty to stop him no?

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2010, 07:25:52 AM »
Whether its his aim or not - its the result of his horrible policies, super-secretive dealings, duplicitous ways, lies, sell-outs, and flip flops on every single issue.   He simply is not an honest person.  He lies without blinking an eye and everyone is sick of it.  

Again - even House Dems are cursing out Obama over how he acts.  Can't blame that on Sarah, Rush, or Beck.    



because he compromised with Repubs.. thats why they are mad..

so either you would come on saying "obama is hell bent on blah blah.. run hide your kids or and your dog...blah blah.. dumb ass video or long ass right winged article"....

or you say... Democrats are mad at obama...blah blah hide your kids blah blah.. dumb ass palin photo shoped picture.. aahhhhh palin holding a gun is so cool blah blah ...video... and the sky is falling if you didnt know already"

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2010, 07:27:01 AM »
So if you really believe he is trying to destroy the country then it would be a patriots duty to stop him no?

Yes, i believe he hates this country and he has said so much in many different ways and has shown this through his associations, his statements, his policies, etc etc.  

As far as stopping him, I believe in the electoral process and Nov. 2 was a decent start.

 

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2010, 07:29:18 AM »
So if you really believe he is trying to destroy the country then it would be a patriots duty to stop him no?

Tom Brady to the rescue

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2010, 07:42:01 AM »
because he compromised with Repubs.. thats why they are mad..

What happened to "reaching across the aisle"? I have heard both parties accuse each other of not "reaching across the aisle". For that to happen, someone has to be willing to compromise.

Do Dems expect to never concede anything to the Reps?

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2010, 07:43:51 AM »
What happened to "reaching across the aisle"? I have heard both parties accuse each other of not "reaching across the aisle". For that to happen, someone has to be willing to compromise.

Do Dems expect to never concede anything to the Reps?

So who is 3333 directing his anger to. Dems are mad that he DID reach accross the isle (no homo.. sounds too close to "reach around"


So...3333 who is wrong.. Obama for reaching accross the isle to deal with repubs or the other Dems for not agreeing with the reach (no homo)

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2010, 07:45:45 AM »
So who is 3333 directing his anger to. Dems are mad that he DID reach accross the isle (no homo.. sounds too close to "reach around"


So...3333 who is wrong.. Obama for reaching accross the isle to deal with repubs or the other Dems for not agreeing with the reach (no homo)

Did you read the article? 

and i am no longer in support of this "deal" anymore.  It started out ok, but has morphed into another bogus pos. 

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2010, 07:50:51 AM »
Did you read the article? 

and i am no longer in support of this "deal" anymore.  It started out ok, but has morphed into another bogus pos. 

No ones reading your bullshit.. but if you want you can give me your bizzaro world version of it.

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2010, 08:02:33 AM »
No ones reading your bullshit.. but if you want you can give me your bizzaro world version of it.

See bro - this is why I laugh at you.  You dont even read stuff and come into a thread to attack me.  Why bother? 

The story is how Obama lied to the Dems in meeting at the WH and how and why they reacted the way they did. 

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2010, 08:05:12 AM »
See bro - this is why I laugh at you.  You dont even read stuff and come into a thread to attack me.  Why bother? 

The story is how Obama lied to the Dems in meeting at the WH and how and why they reacted the way they did. 

I dont read your shit because i dont read opinion.. i read facts and news.. but when i google your writer its "conservative blogger from such and such"

So if you can tell me what you think happened i would appreciate it. Because me thinks you dont caught your foot in your mouth.. you got anger at dems for compromising when Obama did what Repubs asked for.

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Re: House Democrats furious over Obama's lies, deception, and double dealing.
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2010, 08:06:56 AM »
I dont read your shit because i dont read opinion.. i read facts and news.. but when i google your writer its "conservative blogger from such and such"

So if you can tell me what you think happened i would appreciate it. Because me thinks you dont caught your foot in your mouth.. you got anger at dems for compromising when Obama did what Repubs asked for.

Bro - there are direct quotes from Dem house members on this saying Obama lied to them.