Regarding training naturally

[Heavy_Hitter]

Well, depends all a bit on what you consider "big" and what you want to look like.

It's much easier to stay round 8% while keeping your muscles when you have a little chemical help, lol. It's all about convenience.  

LOL, not everything is about drugs!

[kiwiol]

 You know why you made your best gains? You went to to the gym, did your thing and got the fuck out because you knew you had to be at work early tomorrow! You probably didn't just sit there and talk, took your little time more seriously. You enjoyed your days off and let your mind and body relax which is a very important factor! The guys who have nothing better to do but hit the gym twice a day, over train, stay up all night because they have no responsibility are the ones who make all the fundamental mistakes and never grow

Spot on

Well, depends all a bit on what you consider "big" and what you want to look like.

Haha "big" as in natural standards, not the IFBB pro bodybuilding level. I'm talking about 17"+ arms and 220+ lb body weight at 15% or less body fat levels. Don't think there is such a thing as a big natural at 8% or less body fat, lol.

[dj181]

Well, I gained 6 lean pounds in 5 weeks when I was 25, and I wasn't following any strict diet protocol, and my bodyfat % actually went down slightly.

[xboxaddict]

LOL, not everything is about drugs!

No, but they help. you still have to train, lol.

Spot on


Haha "big" as in natural standards, not the IFBB pro bodybuilding level. I'm talking about 17"+ arms and 220+ lb body weight at 15% or less body fat levels. Don't think there is such a thing as a big natural at 8% or less body fat, lol.

Ok, good that we cleared that up.  

[gh15]

Are you talking about competing ?

you can compete natural at any age and los e to the juicer,,im talkin about GAINS,,you at age 28 will have no gains naturally ,,you will be stuck at numbers within 10-15lb zone,,while you are stress life,,girlproblem,,dont eat on the clock,,shit too omuch,,dont work out cuz sick,,etc etc....you will be on the lower end of the 15 lb range,,.......when everything is on spot ,,your workouts ,,your food,, your creatinelol ....you will be on the top part of the 15lb range,,you will consider it gains ---while in reality it will be no gains but playing with same numbers over and over and over like you belong on a chair next to jack nicolson in the kookoo nest movie lol

never the less the number 190 at any decent single digit bf at 5'10 will be a long long dream that wont comr true,,maybe youll hit 191 on halodrol for few weeks but then ,,,,hoopsi back to 178 moment you get back from ummm olympia expo where you showed it off

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[kiwiol]

I hear ya kiwi, but vanbilderass made a very insightful comment about gains coming pratically overnight, and I wholeheartly agree with this, since my natural muscle growth ALWAYS occured in spurts. And I remember reading Mike Mentzer saying the same thing. P.S. My fastest growth didn't happen until I was in my mid 20s, which was after over 10 years of fairly regular training.

I think the growth spurts thing varies from person to person. Because of my genetics, my back, arms and shoulders always improve month after month, although we're talking about tiny improvements here (which add up over the years). I've had a few spurts here and there over the years, when breaking plateaus or after taking a few weeks break. But I'd say for me, the improvements have been gradual and not sudden so much.

[che]

you can compete natural at any age and los e to the juicer,,im talkin about GAINS,,you at age 28 will have no gains naturally ,,you will be stuck at numbers within 10-15lb zone,,while you are stress life,,girlproblem,,dont eat on the clock,,shit too omuch,,dont work out cuz sick,,etc etc....you will be on the lower end of the 15 lb range,,.......when everything is on spot ,,your workouts ,,your food,, your creatinelol ....you will be on the top part of the 15lb range,,you will consider it gains ---while in reality it will be no gains but playing with same numbers over and over and over like you belong on a chair next to jack nicolson in the kookoo nest movie lol

never the less the number 190 at any decent single digit bf at 5'10 will be a long long dream that wont comr true,,maybe youll hit 191 on halodrol for few weeks but then ,,,,hoopsi back to 178 moment you get back from ummm olympia expo where you showed it off

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I kind of agree with you my gains  after 28 were really small  I got better but I didn't get  much bigger.

[gh15]

Spot on


Haha "big" as in natural standards, not the IFBB pro bodybuilding level. I'm talking about 17"+ arms and 220+ lb body weight at 15% or less body fat levels. Don't think there is such a thing as a big natural at 8% or less body fat, lol.

fella,,i trained some monster naturals ,,truly naturals nto the balonie you her about on boards on internet,,the most talented ones ,,italians with good structure and genetic capacity good backs good arms,,they stopped at 185 8-10% they coudnt go up even a lb over at this condition ,,they just coudnt ,,and they were VERY SERIOUS LIFTING HUGE WEIGHT AND IN GOOD FORM ,,ALSO TRYING EVERY TECHNIC,,AND DOING ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE WITH DIET,,INFACT THEY SAT ON TABLE AND DIDNT WORK ONLY ATE ALL DAY EVERY 2 HOURS,,NO WORK SINCE LIVED HOME,,

naturals do not go over 185lb at single digit at 5'10!!! reduce or add 5-7lb per inch ,,

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[che]

fella,,i trained some monster naturals ,,truly naturals nto the balonie you her about on boards on internet,,the most talented ones ,,italians with good structure and genetic capacity good backs good arms,,they stopped at 185 8-10% they coudnt go up even a lb over at this condition ,,they just coudnt ,,and they were VERY SERIOUS LIFTING HUGE WEIGHT AND IN GOOD FORM ,,ALSO TRYING EVERY TECHNIC,,AND DOING ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE WITH DIET,,INFACT THEY SAT ON TABLE AND DIDNT WORK ONLY ATE ALL DAY EVERY 2 HOURS,,NO WORK SINCE LIVED HOME,,

naturals do not go over 185lb at single digit at 5'10!!! reduce or add 5-7lb per inch ,,

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5'9'' 175lbs 10% bf is my natural limit .

[kiwiol]

fella,,i trained some monster naturals ,,truly naturals nto the balonie you her about on boards on internet,,the most talented ones ,,italians with good structure and genetic capacity good backs good arms,,they stopped at 185 8-10% they coudnt go up even a lb over at this condition ,,they just coudnt ,,and they were VERY SERIOUS LIFTING HUGE WEIGHT AND IN GOOD FORM ,,ALSO TRYING EVERY TECHNIC,,AND DOING ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE WITH DIET,,INFACT THEY SAT ON TABLE AND DIDNT WORK ONLY ATE ALL DAY EVERY 2 HOURS,,NO WORK SINCE LIVED HOME,,

naturals do not go over 185lb at single digit at 5'10!!! reduce or add 5-7lb per inch ,,

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Yep. I've been told I've got really good genetics and I've trained for over 20 years on and off. At my peak, I was about 218lb at close to 20% body fat. Dieted down, I don't think I'd have weighed more than 175 - 180lb tops.

I don't care to juice, cause I'm never going to compete.

[gh15]

5'9'' 175lbs 10% bf is my natural limit .

correct,, you can probably be 180 9-10 % if pushed very hard and tress free with no work in life waking up at 3 pm daily ,,but then again why do it to be 180-185 9%

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[dj181]

Well, that's great fucking news for me, due to the fact that my PR was 154 sub-6 at 5'11" so fuck ya! Gimme then 30 lean pounds of pure muscle tissue

[Heavy_Hitter]

correct,, you can probably be 180 9-10 % if pushed very hard and tress free with no work in life waking up at 3 pm daily ,,but then again why do it to be 180-185 9%

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 LOL!! 

[che]

correct,, you can probably be 180 9-10 % if pushed very hard and tress free with no work in life waking up at 3 pm daily ,,but then again why do it to be 180-185 9%

gh15 approved

Nope  ,believe me I pushed it very hard and  every time  I went over 175lbs  I started getting  fat  I couldn't afford that because my line of work .

[US MUSL]

My natural best was 6' 178lbs at 3.9% BF.

[dj181]

How tall are you che?

[che]

How tall are you che?

5' 9''

[Jaime]

if you are anything over 28 you are wasting your time with natural training ,,better go play in the sand insted ,,or help the poor,,natural trainign is mainly for ages 16-22 ,,usually at 20-21 most americanos turn into aas and then later on if competing go gh,,thats the honest truth friends,,the sad truth is the level of abuse that going on at ages 24+ today ,,they realy really order 10 kits of gh ,,not 1-2 10! that is right there 1000 iu gh at age 25 ,,think about it ,,on  2 kits of gh you usually turn into a bodybuilder,,you become some what of mutant if aas is in ,,on 10 kits...you got that right ...you become kukli and can place 10th on a national show year after year well in his case he is young may get somwehre,,but tropopin is good example of wasting time lol

you get the idea..

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Keep your shit out of this thread jackass, it's about natural training...

[xboxaddict]

correct,, you can probably be 180 9-10 % if pushed very hard and tress free with no work in life waking up at 3 pm daily ,,but then again why do it to be 180-185 9%

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qft.


Why go through all the shit of dieting down just to hear "hey, do you still work out?" when people see you in plain clothes next time, LOL.

[Marty Champions]

most possible good food=most possible acitivity=getting most out of your genetics

[Heavy_Hitter]

Keep your shit out of this thread jackass, it's about natural training...

 Why he just knows what most people expect out of natural training and it's something they can almost always never achieve! I agree it is a waste of time, even when you see a guy who's ripped up with abs, has some muscle who is 100% natural is more likely because he played soccer or basketball to achieve that look, the gym did very little.

[Ex Coelis]

with few exceptions, natural trainers have two choices:

a) be fat and fill out a shirt

b) stay lean and look small when fully clothed

[Jaime]

It happens in spurts, i think it happens in spurts on gear as well only the frequency is far higher, less interval and the right stacks and it seems like lineal progression.

The guys that find their limits are the ones that don't fuck about with it, get in the gym train hard, get their nutrition right and have clear goals

Patience is key, i think about it like a piggy bank. You might not see changes day after day but every training session adds up and after a few months you step back and see changes.

[dj181]

Not so man, I know dat I gots twink status, but I was sub-6 at 146 and at 154, and believe me... Those 8 pounds of pure lean muscle tissue made a big difference. And according to God I can even add 30 more pounds naturally, while staying sub-6 Fuck man! I would even take 20 more lean pounds

[Heavy_Hitter]

with few exceptions, natural trainers have two choices:

a) be fat and fill out a shirt

b) stay lean and look small when fully clothed

Absolutely!