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The clips of Obama in his own words speak for themselves.   

and his own words say:  I promise to bankrupt the coal industry.  ::)


sorry 33333, you are brainwashed with your own bull shit. 

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and his own words say:  I promise to bankrupt the coal industry.  ::)


sorry 33333, you are brainwashed with your own bull shit. 

He says his plans will result in their bankruptcy.    Do you need it spelled out any clearer for you?   

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He says his plans will result in their bankruptcy.    Do you need it spelled out any clearer for you?  

NO that's not what he said.  

Try again.   :P

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 Noone gives a shit. Do something with your life instead of posting about politics on a bodybuilding forum.

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NO that's not what he said.  

Try again.   :P

What do you think he said.  

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What do you think he said.  

I know he didn't make a promise to bankrupt the coal industry. 

How about the General Motors?   Did he make any promises about them?   :)

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I know he didn't make a promise to bankrupt the coal industry. 

How about the General Motors?   Did he make any promises about them?   :)

Not like he did to jack energy costs and put the coal industry out of business.

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Not like he did to jack energy costs and put the coal industry out of business.

Who's buys power from coal?  Is it their choice?

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AEP to close plants, trim 600 jobs to comply with EPA rules
By staff report

Published June 10th, 2011


http://www.timesnews.net/print_article.php?id=9032750


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   American Electric Power on Thursday announced it plans to shut down several coal-fired power plants, convert or retrofit others, and cut as many as 600 jobs in the next few years to comply with regulations proposed by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

   Based on the proposed regulations, AEP will have to retire nearly 6,000 megawatts of coalfueled power generation; upgrade or install new advanced emissions reduction equipment on another 10,100 megawatts; refuel 1,070 megawatts of coal generation as 932 megawatts of natural gas capacity; and build 1,220 megawatts of natural gas-fueled generation.

   The cost of AEP’s compliance plan could range from $6 billion to $8 billion in capital investment through the end of the decade. The company said high demand for labor and materials due to a constrained compliance time frame could drive actual costs higher than these estimates.

   AEP said the plan, including retirements, could change significantly depending on the final form of the EPA regulations and regulatory approvals from state commissions.

   The retirements and retrofits in the plan are in addition to more than $7.2 billion that AEP has invested since 1990 to reduce emissions from its coal-fueled generation fleet, according to the c o m p a n y.

   Annual emissions of nitrogen oxides from AEP plants are 80 percent lower today than in 1990. Sulfur dioxide emissions from AEP plants are 73 percent lower than in 1990.

   The company currently owns nearly 25,000 megawatts of coalfueled generation, approximately 65 percent of its total generating capacity. Coal would fuel approximately 57 percent of AEP’s total generating capacity by the end of the decade.

   “We support regulations that achieve long-term environmental benefits while protecting customers, the economy and the reliability of the electric grid, but the cumulative impacts of the EPA’s current regulatory path have been vastly underestimated, particularly in Midwest states dependent on coal to fuel their economies,” said Michael G. Morris, AEP chairman and CEO.

   He said AEP has worked for months to develop a compliance plan that will mitigate the impact of the EPA rules for customers and preserve jobs, “but because of the unrealistic compliance timelines in the EPA proposals, we will have to prematurely shut down nearly 25 percent of our current coal-fueled generating capacity, cut hundreds of good power plant jobs, and invest billions of dollars in capital to retire, retrofit and replace coalfueled power plants.”

   “The sudden increase in electricity rates and impacts on state economies will be significant at a time when people and states are still struggling,” Morris said.

   Although some jobs would be created from the installation of emissions reduction equipment, AEP expects a net loss of approximately 600 power plant jobs with annual wages totaling approximately $40 million.

   “We are deeply concerned about the impact of the proposed regulations on our customers and local economies. Communities that have depended on these plants to provide good jobs and support local services will face significant reductions in payroll and property taxes in a very short period of time.

   “The economic impact will extend far beyond direct employment at power plants as thousands of ancillary jobs are supported by every coal-fueled generating unit. Businesses that have benefited from reasonably priced coal-fueled power will face the impact of electricity price increases ranging from 10 percent to more than 35 percent just for compliance with these environmental rules at a time when they are still trying to recover from the economic downturn,” Morris said.

   He said the proposed timelines for compliance aren’t adequate for construction of significant retrofits or replacement generation, “so many coal-fueled plants would be prematurely retired or idled in just a few years.”

   Morris said AEP hopes that the EPA recognizes the impact of the proposed rules and develops a “more reasonable” compliance schedule.

   “We also will continue talking with lawmakers in Washington about a legislative approach that would achieve the same longterm environmental goals with less negative impact on jobs and the U.S. economy,” he said.

   “With more time and flexibility, we will get to the same level of emission reductions, but it will cost our customers less and will prevent premature job losses, extend the construction job benefits, and ensure the ongoing reliability of the electric system.”

   As part of AEP’s current plan, the company would permanently retire five plants — one in Virginia, three in West Virginia and one in Ohio.

   AEP would retire units at other locations but continue operating some generation at those sites with retrofits or conversions to natural gas.

   The nearest plant to be impacted is the Clinch River Plant in Cleveland, Va.

   There, one unit would be shut down by Dec. 31, 2014, while two others would be converted to natural gas generation.

   Based in Columbus, Ohio, American Electric Power is one of the largest electric utilities in the United States, delivering electricity to more than 5 million customers in 11 states. Appalachian Power, serving Virginia and the Kingsport area of Tennessee, is a utility unit of the c o m p a n y.

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Positive!

Coal must go!

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Positive!

Coal must go!

According you so must the jobs and livihoods of thousands of workers and their families. 


Nice. 

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According you so must the jobs and livihoods of thousands of workers and their families. 


Nice. 



Should we have bailed out Chrysler and GM or not?

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Should we have bailed out Chrysler and GM or not?

No.  It should have went Chapter 11 and let a receiver be appointed and let new owners buy up the assets and take over.   

   

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No.  It should have went Chapter 11 and let a receiver be appointed and let new owners buy up the assets and take over.   

   

Yeah and that would have avoided ten of thousands being layer off?  Doubt it. 

The problem with the coal industry aside from pollution issues, mine cave ins etc. Is that it's a outdated form of energy.  Just like musket making for example, it's time to move on.  That's not going to be with out casualties. 

This country needs to expand nuclear energy.  It's ok to push some of the green shit, but really, the best bang for our buck is nuclear.

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OK  George, maybe you can show me where "Obama promises to bankrupt the coal industry"

Sorry if i don't just fall for the obvious gay ass spin designed to breed anger based on an incorrect premise in that Obama  promised to bankrupt the coal industry.  

 ::)

Ok moron. Let's do a comparison with the following quotes-- " I am going to initiate something that will result in your death." Is that the same thing as saying "I am going to kill you." ? Not technically. But any fucking idiot can connect the dots. Do you only think that someone means what they say when they repeat verbatim the exact same words that explicitly define their intent? Stop attempting to morph into 240. This board already has a resident retard.

Obama said unequivocally that no more coal plants can be built without bankrupting the company who built it. That means the industry can no longer expand. That means less jobs. Throw in the fact that the absurdly intrusive regulation measures Obama has enacted on coal since he took office have strangled productivity and increased the production costs for the entire industry.  Only a fool could possibly think Obama was not intentionally trying to destroy coal. For good measure, the cap and trade system he desperately tried to enact ( which thankfully failed) would have "skyrocketed" energy costs-- That is a quote right from his own mouth. Meanwhile, Obama attempts to push his blatantly useless green jobs agenda bullshit, wind tunnels built in swamps on other galaxies and turbines  powered by hamsters on wheels-- What do you think is the sum total of these ass backward job killing policies?


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Ok moron. Let's do a comparison with the following quotes-- " I am going to initiate something that will result in your death." Is that the same thing as saying "I am going to kill you." ? Not technically. But any fucking idiot can connect the dots. Do you only think that someone means what they say when they repeat verbatim the exact same words that explicitly define their intent? Stop attempting to morph into 240. This board already has a resident retard.

Obama said unequivocally that no more coal plants can be built without bankrupting the company who built it. That means the industry can no longer expand. That means less jobs. Throw in the fact that the absurdly intrusive regulation measures Obama has enacted on coal since he took office have strangled productivity and increased the production costs for the entire industry.  Only a fool could possibly think Obama was not intentionally trying to destroy coal. For good measure, the cap and trade system he desperately tried to enact ( which thankfully failed) would have "skyrocketed" energy costs-- That is a quote right from his own mouth. Meanwhile, Obama attempts to push his blatantly useless green jobs agenda bullshit, wind tunnels built in swamps on other galaxies and turbines  powered by hamsters on wheels-- What do you think is the sum total of these ass backward job killing policies?




Obama says clearly that he is enacting a plan that will make it impossible for EXISTING coal companies to operate due to the yearly ratcheting down of emissions standars and regulations.  He then also says clearly - that any new companies who want to build a coal plant will go bankrupt doing so by design. 


What the fuck is so hard for your to understand Ozmo? 


 

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Ok moron. Let's do a comparison with the following quotes-- " I am going to initiate something that will result in your death." Is that the same thing as saying "I am going to kill you." ? Not technically. But any fucking idiot can connect the dots. Do you only think that someone means what they say when they repeat verbatim the exact same words that explicitly define their intent? Stop attempting to morph into 240. This board already has a resident retard.

Obama said unequivocally that no more coal plants can be built without bankrupting the company who built it. That means the industry can no longer expand. That means less jobs. Throw in the fact that the absurdly intrusive regulation measures Obama has enacted on coal since he took office have strangled productivity and increased the production costs for the entire industry.  Only a fool could possibly think Obama was not intentionally trying to destroy coal. For good measure, the cap and trade system he desperately tried to enact ( which thankfully failed) would have "skyrocketed" energy costs-- That is a quote right from his own mouth. Meanwhile, Obama attempts to push his blatantly useless green jobs agenda bullshit, wind tunnels built in swamps on other galaxies and turbines  powered by hamsters on wheels-- What do you think is the sum total of these ass backward job killing policies?



No George,  ::) its a spin job plain and simple.  Obama has made ZERO promises to bankrupt the coal industry.  He simply said that anyone that wants to build a new coal plant can but it will bankrupt them because they will be charged a large sum.....

And I am glad he is doing it.  The industry shouldn't expand.

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No George,  ::) its a spin job plain and simple.  Obama has made ZERO promises to bankrupt the coal industry.  He simply said that anyone that wants to build a new coal plant can but it will bankrupt them because they will be charged a large sum.....

And I am glad he is doing it.  The industry shouldn't expand.



Goo - than take ownership for the horrible economy, lost jobs, lost productivity, collapsing economy, collapsing manufacturing, offshoring of all productionetc.

You green zealots own this bullshit. 

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Goo - than take ownership for the horrible economy, lost jobs, lost productivity, collapsing economy, collapsing manufacturing, offshoring of all productionetc.

You green zealots own this bullshit. 

Weak sauce  ::)

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Weak sauce  ::)

AEP disagrees along with the 600 families no longer with a paycheck due to your messiahs' communist plans. 


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AEP disagrees along with the 600 families no longer with a paycheck due to your messiahs' communist plans. 


::)

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AEP disagrees along with the 600 families no longer with a paycheck due to your messiahs' communist plans. 



Well, what about tens of thousands of people who lost here jobs because GM and Chrysler weren't bailed out?

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Well, what about tens of thousands of people who lost here jobs because GM and Chrysler weren't bailed out?

You mean UAW employees who would have have to take concessions by a new owner if it went through bankruptcy according to exiting Federal Law? 

Seriously?  You are ging all 240 lately Ozmo.   

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You mean UAW employees who would have have to take concessions by a new owner if it went through bankruptcy according to exiting Federal Law? 

Seriously?  You are ging all 240 lately Ozmo.   

Concessions?   ::)

Tens of thousands would have been laid off all across the industry. 

Coal needs to be phased out period.  People will lose jobs, that what happens when industry progresses.  It's the year 2011, not 1911. 

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Concessions?   ::)

Tens of thousands would have been laid off all across the industry. 

Coal needs to be phased out period.  People will lose jobs, that what happens when industry progresses.  It's the year 2011, not 1911. 

Progress does not usualy man having the govt point a gunto your head unless you support a communist state.